Non Nic Vaping Suggestions

[CathyD]

I am a vaping virgin. I'm off cigarettes for a week now. I originally started researching e-cigs for my husband to help him quit. But now I want to buy one for myself to help keep me off smoking. I'm looking for something that looks pretty much like a real cigarette, doesn't need super long battery life. I want to be able to satisfy that mental craving when I come home from work & enjoy a glass of wine. Basically just the ritual and the 10-15 minutes of "pretend smoking". I'm hoping this logic will keep me from falling off the wagon.

 

[Needo]

Welcome to the ECF. You might like this page.

 

[Thulium]

I am a vaping virgin. I'm off cigarettes for a week now. I originally started researching e-cigs for my husband to help him quit. But now I want to buy one for myself to help keep me off smoking. I'm looking for something that looks pretty much like a real cigarette, doesn't need super long battery life. I want to be able to satisfy that mental craving when I come home from work & enjoy a glass of wine. Basically just the ritual and the 10-15 minutes of "pretend smoking". I'm hoping this logic will keep me from falling off the wagon.

It sounds like you're not a very heavy smoker, so almost any e-cig will probably suit your needs but the key is finding the right flavor. If you are planning to avoid nicotine, you'll probably want a strong flavor or something with menthol and/or cinnamon to create the "throat hit" feeling.

If you're not planning to use it very often and want something that looks like a cigarette, I think I'd recommend the JoyE 510 battery and atomizer. The batteries don't last very long so most heavy smokers find themselves moving "up" to something that doesn't look much like a cigarette, but it could suit your needs very well. If you get a kit like this: https://www.cignot.com/product_p/kit-510-nbx.htm I would recommend that you get at least ONE "manual" battery, even if you want to try the "automatic"

 

[CathyD]

Wow, thank you. That page was very helpful. It confirmed what I was leaning towards...the KR8.

Now I need some advice on flavors in non nic cartridges. I've read that the flavors contribute to the throat hit. I also understand that the throat hit is what I'll be trying to seek as an ex smoker.

Thanks in advance.

 

[CathyD]

Hi Thulium,
I didn't see your response as I was answering the previous post. Actually I was smoking up to 25 cigs a day. I'm on day 7 of my quit and over the worst of the physical cravings but it's the "mental cravings" that are making me mental!! I just want to have something that will mimic the smoking experience when I have those difficult triggers, like after a meal, downtime with a glass of wine, etc. Especially since my husband is still smoking at least I can go along, kind of...

That's what I thought about the flavors that I would have to lean towards stronger ones.

I'm going to look at the Joye 510 also. Being in Canada, apparently it's going to be tricky ordering something. That's the next hurdle.

 

[Needo]

Mint flavors and cinnamon have a lot of hit in my opinion. I would suggest getting samples of many different types of flavors. Just from personal experience, I can tell you that you will most likely be clueless about what you like until you try it. I have experienced a great number of surprises in just a short time.

 

[CathyD]

Hi Needo,
What would you say was one of your biggest surprises in the flavour department?

 

[Needo]

I thought I would like tobacco flavors. It hasn't been the case by any means. I thought I would like peppermint. I do, but it is way too strong and overpowering for me. I wasn't a fan of vanilla, but that is presently my favorite base flavor. I'm looking forward to trying melon flavor just to see if I will like it or not. I am not a big fan of most melons, but you never know.

 

[Patrick21]

OP check out the site Electronic Cigarettes, E Cigarette & E Liquid | Smart Smoker UK they have the most realistic ciggerette you can buy and they sell the non nicotene cartridges as well. Also very reasonably priced..

 

[Thulium]

The biggest surprise for me is how much I like menthol added to fruit and sweet flavors--it makes them taste "cold" and can give a nice throat hit. As odd and simple as it may sound, Green Apple + menthol is probably my favorite "all day vape" and its even better with a bit of cinnamon, tho I can't do the cinnamon very long before it starts to bother me.

If you don't want the nicotine, several vendors have "flavor doublers" or you can pick out some flavor concentrates and mix them with Propylene Glycol and/or Glycerine to make your vape exactly how you like it AND save money. Check here: Welcome to Tasty Vapor

 

[RialCeLmiT]

It sounds like you're not a very heavy smoker, so almost any e-cig will probably suit your needs but the key is finding the right flavor. If you are planning to avoid nicotine, you'll probably want a strong flavor or something with menthol and/or cinnamon to create the "throat hit" feeling.

If you're not planning to use it very often and want something that looks like a cigarette, I think I'd recommend the JoyE 510 battery and atomizer. The batteries don't last very long so most heavy smokers find themselves moving "up" to something that doesn't look much like a cigarette, but it could suit your needs very well. If you get a kit like this: https://www.cignot.com/product_p/kit-510-nbx.htm I would recommend that you get at least ONE "manual" battery, even if you want to try the "automatic"

I'd agree on everything except the 510 part...The battery life is weak, in the sense that the recharge cycle and the atties are never worth it...I'd go with the V4L Vapor King if you wanted a cigarette style led light blah blah blah, the V4l Cartos aren't as bad as everyone claims, and the VK batteries are alot more reliable then a joye 510...Of course if you wanted a real one and ended up becomign a chain Vaper, then it's the Joye eGo with Boges all dayy..But everyone on here will disagree check everything out and see what you find...And listen to this man in terms of getting a manual battery...Auto is basically a joke, especially for newbies, and especially if you are using cartomizers

 

[RialCeLmiT]

Wow, thank you. That page was very helpful. It confirmed what I was leaning towards...the KR8.

Now I need some advice on flavors in non nic cartridges. I've read that the flavors contribute to the throat hit. I also understand that the throat hit is what I'll be trying to seek as an ex smoker.

Thanks in advance.

Many of us, myself included, need to indulge ourselves in the illusion of smoking...If we don't see smoke were not smoking and it isn't working...You may want to try to find a good mix of VG/PG that's comfortable for you as well...Especially if you order a weaker PV like a 510 or a VK, they wont have the oomph to really produce vapor on PG juices

 

[RialCeLmiT]

The nic gives you much of the throat hit btw...It's tough to get a good no nic juice without it...A misconception of many smokers, it's not just the nicotine that has a hold on you, theres another drug in there that extends and strengthens the effectsof the dopamine and who knows what else was in those that made us all crave...I never seen anybody get addicted to an e-cig with Nic that never was a real smoker before then, although I guess we all know there out there...I use between 24-36 (Which is kinda alot) mg, and I ran out of nicotine on Tuesday...Haven't even felt the need for a ...., I'm just making my own VG no nic juices for the time being but it's not the same...I don't think the nicotine would get you back on cigarettes, but probably help keep you off them...Just throwing in my thoughts, not saying that that is ultimately the only way

 

[RialCeLmiT]

Sorry for the millions of posts...I'm just not good at reading and then organizing it all into one post..I'm done now

 

[CathyD]

Wow, that's a lot of info for a newbie. I think initially I want to start out with the cartomizers because that seems the simplest way to go. I've read other posts about the flavour doublers and mixing this with that and all the stuff about pg or vg. It seems confusing. How do you know how much of one thing to mix with another? Are there recipes or something? I know these probably sound like dumb blonde questions (I'm not blonde) but I just want to smoke something and it is enjoyable. LOL, I know there are "other" options out there but that's not what I'm talking about right now.

That is impressive that you were vaping that much nicotine and you've been able to go without for several days. I would be too afraid to take even one hit of nicotine in case it would send me right back. I really don't want to go throught the withdrawal again.

 

[RialCeLmiT]

Don't worry about DIY yet...Order Flavors...Real simple theres VG and PG Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin...VG gives you less of a throat hit but you can see more vapor..PG helps the deliver the Nic, contributes more of a throat hit...Most people like mixed, I'd go with a PG80 which means 80% PG 20 %VG and see how you feel via what you can see and what you feel...And change it from there...Also when ordering juice, try to get smaller sample packs versus a giant thing of a random hit or miss...Nothing worse than gettign a giant vial of liquid you don't care for..Good luck though, and no I asked the same questions about a year ago or so...ECF is the best though, once I foudn this forum things took off and I got into DIY and better models and such...All the info is here somewhere and plenty of helpful people around too...Again the whole recipe thing isn't or shouldn't be a big concern yet, you should get comfortable with your PV have fun with it, and when after you've tried a couple juices and gotten familiar with the forums and such, then look into it

 

[Thulium]

Wow, that's a lot of info for a newbie. I think initially I want to start out with the cartomizers because that seems the simplest way to go. I've read other posts about the flavour doublers and mixing this with that and all the stuff about pg or vg. It seems confusing. How do you know how much of one thing to mix with another? Are there recipes or something? I know these probably sound like dumb blonde questions (I'm not blonde) but I just want to smoke something and it is enjoyable. LOL, I know there are "other" options out there but that's not what I'm talking about right now.

E-liquid Recipes

If you aren't messing with nicotine, mixing your own e-liquid is about as complicated as cooking--it takes some practice to be as good as the professionals, but just about anyone can do it if they really try.

That is impressive that you were vaping that much nicotine and you've been able to go without for several days. I would be too afraid to take even one hit of nicotine in case it would send me right back. I really don't want to go throught the withdrawal again.

Without all the other "stuff" in tobacco smoke, nicotine by itself is very similar to caffeine in terms of dangers and addictiveness. Many people experience withdrawal symptoms months or even YEARS after all nicotine has left their system, but it is very unlikely that using nicotine--especially without the habit-reinforcing MAOI's found in whole tobacco--would cause you to relapse. After all, if you'd successfully switched to decaf, you obviously wouldn't want to restart the addiction but generally having one caffeinated beverage doesn't cause people to go back into severe withdrawal.

 

[RialCeLmiT]

Wow, that's a lot of info for a newbie. I think initially I want to start out with the cartomizers because that seems the simplest way to go. I've read other posts about the flavour doublers and mixing this with that and all the stuff about pg or vg. It seems confusing. How do you know how much of one thing to mix with another? Are there recipes or something? I know these probably sound like dumb blonde questions (I'm not blonde) but I just want to smoke something and it is enjoyable. LOL, I know there are "other" options out there but that's not what I'm talking about right now.

That is impressive that you were vaping that much nicotine and you've been able to go without for several days. I would be too afraid to take even one hit of nicotine in case it would send me right back. I really don't want to go throught the withdrawal again.

Cigarettes are disgusting after a few months with an e-cig...I'll start cutting my wrists or jogging if I feen...Anythings better than a smoke...Oddly enough though I still occasionally smoke a cigar or cigarillo for fun

 

[CathyD]

You guys have been so helpful. I really want to get my husband to try the ecigs w/nic. He tried the patch and caved after 2 days With all the info I've been given it will definitely be a more informed decision.

As far as the nicotine addiction, I was under the impression we start to become addicted after about the 2nd smoke. Is it really all the other stuff in tobacco & not the nicotine that is so addictive? I read the Allen Carr book, Easy Way to Stop Smoking and he went on & on about how addictive nicotine was.

 

[Thulium]

As far as the nicotine addiction, I was under the impression we start to become addicted after about the 2nd smoke. Is it really all the other stuff in tobacco & not the nicotine that is so addictive? I read the Allen Carr book, Easy Way to Stop Smoking and he went on & on about how addictive nicotine was.

The Allen Carr method of scaring people into nicotine abstinence is effective but short-sighted. Many of the "addictive" properties that Carr attributes to "Nicotine" are more properly credited to "tobacco smoking" that includes a cocktail of a lot more chemicals than just nicotine and more than just the chemical dependence.

Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction | The State Press - An independent daily serving Arizona State University

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“I came up with a shocking discovery,” Killeen said. “There’s no such thing as nicotine addiction.”

“It’s time to get our heads straight,” Killeen said. “What causes the tremendously addicting power of cigarettes is the drug cocktail of nicotine,” he said, not nicotine itself.

Before he got into his findings, Killeen said he wanted to make clear that tobacco kills.

“[Tobacco] is the number one preventable cause of death in developing nations,” he said. “Half of the people who are lifelong smokers will die of smoking-related illness.”

And yet, he said, the mass addiction to cigarettes and the public knowledge of tobacco’s deadliness creates a paradox.

There is something missing in the equation, Killeen said: A sufficient answer about what causes the powerful addiction.

For years, researchers have maintained that nicotine is the cause of tobacco addiction.

But Killeen said new evidence suggests otherwise.

“A large portion of the research on tobacco studies is done on nicotine. But the research has not been very reinforcing,” Killeen said. “Nicotine in itself is not very rewarding. You can go to any drugstore and buy a packet of Nicorette chewing gum.”

But people don’t overdose on Nicorette chewing gum, he said.

“Studies have shown that none of the nicotine replacement therapies — chewing gum, inhalers, patches — none of those are addictive,” he said. “Nicotine is not addictive. So what’s going on?”

The cause of addiction is the release of monoamine oxidase inhibitors, or MAOIs, along with nicotine, Killeen said.

While nicotine affects the release of dopamine, or the “reward hormone” that affects emotions and movement, MAOIs help regulate dopamine levels, Killeen said.

“When you put together something that directly releases dopamine and another thing that helps the brain clean up excess dopamine, you’ve got a one-two punch,” he said. “It is my hypothesis that it’s a combination of nicotine with some of these other chemicals that causes the powerful addiction.”

Killeen said publicizing his research is important in moving forward with the study.

“Not everybody knows that nicotine is not addictive,” he said. “This negatively affects both the research and public opinion.”

Many people are hesitant to accept the research’s implications, but Killeen said his hypothesis is hard to deny.

“I presented this position to 20 of the world’s experts,” he said. “And though some were shocked and insulted, no one could argue that my case was untrue.”