Non-smoker looking to vape
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I will tell you why everyone is agitated. The OP makes no sense. Those of us who have been following the tactics of our enemies (the ANTZ, the FDA, etc.) have seen them cherry pick posts from ECF to make vaping appear to be something that it is not. This here is just the sort of thread that is a wet dream to the Health Nazis. So yeah, I am agitated and grateful to everyone here who recognizes it for what I do, a likely mole making a plant OP on a thread to be used against us all.
You understand now? This is not hypocrisy, this is all of us in a fight for our vaping lives. Even those of us who do not realize it.
I did not know this sort of thing happened, but I should've known to suspect it. Dfq? I'll disregard these sorts of posts in the future, now that I know what's up. Thanks for the clarity.
I had a co-worker pose this same question to me about a year ago. Her favorite place was a smoke filled biker bar and she had been wanting to join in the smoking while avoiding the health risk. Now I love this person and I did what any one would do. I told her not to. It's not worth vaping if you don't smoke in the first place.
I know it's not what you want to hear, but its a habit best avoided. I love vaping, I have an PV in my mouth as I type this now, but I would never encourage any to do it if you were not already addicted.
I know it's not what you want to hear, but its a habit best avoided. I love vaping, I have an PV in my mouth as I type this now, but I would never encourage any to do it if you were not already addicted.
Hypocritical? Not from Me it isn't. I recently dropped from 18 to 12mg nic. I'm tired of being a slave to a habit that I should have never started to begin with.
If all of you are so worried about the FDA cherry picking posts to misrepresent what vaping is and isn't, why does everyone's posts in this thread paint a PV as a Nicotine Recession device?
It's a battery and a coil that when combined boil a flavored PG/VG solution. It's a high powered Glad plug-in. The whole point of the device itself is to deliver nonaddictive flavors and smells. Whether you put Nicotine in your juice (or buy it as such) is your business. No one gets out of shape about other people not putting caffeine or alcohol in their juice.
Edit: My real question is how the OP got a job as a Tobacconist without smoking. It seems like it would be most difficult to make recommendations and match flavor profiles to products without partaking in them.
It's a battery and a coil that when combined boil a flavored PG/VG solution. It's a high powered Glad plug-in. The whole point of the device itself is to deliver nonaddictive flavors and smells. Whether you put Nicotine in your juice (or buy it as such) is your business. No one gets out of shape about other people not putting caffeine or alcohol in their juice.
Edit: My real question is how the OP got a job as a Tobacconist without smoking. It seems like it would be most difficult to make recommendations and match flavor profiles to products without partaking in them.
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I would. You guys don't see what an awesome thing it is that we have 0 Nic Juice.
I have friends who don't smoke cigarettes, but "smoke". Some of them smoke like rolled herb cigs because they didn't want a real cigarette. (No not herbs like drugs, it's something legal I just don't remember what they're called.) Hookah, whatever.
It's a social thing. Sit, drink, smoke, talk, chill... And I know plenty of pele who can manage this without forming an addiction or co-dependencies on it.
The great thing with vapeing is that you can do it without any nicotine. I love love love that. Even if I dropped right out of the addiction, I'd still 0Nic it just to quell the oral fixation. It's just... Fun.
Don't troll the guy because he's looking for guidance. Don't encourage or berate him that he must be a cig smoker to enjoy vapeing. Because you don't. You should be cautious about nicotine, and put extra heavy consideration on 0 Nic juice, that almost every vendor offers. (Most that I've seen.)
Ps, did you guys ever stop to think that you were all non-smokers before you started smoking cigarettes in the first place. Take into consideration, that one more 0 Nic vaper is one less new cig smoker. There are two sides to everything...
I have friends who don't smoke cigarettes, but "smoke". Some of them smoke like rolled herb cigs because they didn't want a real cigarette. (No not herbs like drugs, it's something legal I just don't remember what they're called.) Hookah, whatever.
It's a social thing. Sit, drink, smoke, talk, chill... And I know plenty of pele who can manage this without forming an addiction or co-dependencies on it.
The great thing with vapeing is that you can do it without any nicotine. I love love love that. Even if I dropped right out of the addiction, I'd still 0Nic it just to quell the oral fixation. It's just... Fun.
Don't troll the guy because he's looking for guidance. Don't encourage or berate him that he must be a cig smoker to enjoy vapeing. Because you don't. You should be cautious about nicotine, and put extra heavy consideration on 0 Nic juice, that almost every vendor offers. (Most that I've seen.)
Ps, did you guys ever stop to think that you were all non-smokers before you started smoking cigarettes in the first place. Take into consideration, that one more 0 Nic vaper is one less new cig smoker. There are two sides to everything...
Hmmm...OP says he's trying to get 5 posts out of the way....not a hard thing to do....but 12 hours later, is still at one post.
Then OP says (s)he doesn't smoke, but took a job as a tobacconist, but doesn't smoke, but enjoys the ritual. When we try to ask questions to clear this up, we got no response, which would be a great way for OP to add to the post count (s)he's trying to get.
Why would anyone who doesn't smoke become a tobacconist? And how could anyone really take a tobacconist who doesn't smoke seriously. That's somewhat like asking your mechanic for medical advice because they're interested in eating healthy.
I'm so confused.
If you're still around, OP, not trying to knock you. We try to help anyone who comes in here looking for vaping advice and info as long as you don't come in with too negative an attitude. Then we'll blast you. We just need some clearing up because your post has some pretty conflicting info.
But to answer your questions to the best of my ability:
First off, that Ploom is quite an interesting device but I don't understand how you'll be able to use it for shisha or VG. Looks like it uses some cartridge and powder stuff to me. But I know nothing about it.
Second, I don't share the opinion most people do here about non-smokers shouldn't be vaping. It's not an exclusive club with membership only available to former smokers. And cigarettes are shoved in our faces at every gas station counter. Thousands of people who don't smoke pick them up every day despite all the common knowledge that cigarettes will kill you. So if there's something else like vaporizers that they can pick up instead, I'm all about recommending the latter.
But I certainly don't advocate picking up vaping for no reason. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances on the planet and vaping even 0 nic juice certainly could be a gateway to a nicotine addiction. If there's no turning you away from vaping, you can find many devices and the knowledge on each through this forum by reading around a little. I just do stress that you stick to the 0 nic juice and be aware of the possible consequences of picking up a vaporizer.
EDIT since this showed up while I was typing my thing:
While I do share your mentality that vaping is not an exclusive hobby, I just think it should be clear that we don't really refer to PVs so much as "nicotine recession" devices, but as "smoking cessation" devices. Many people have no intention at all of ever quitting the nicotine, just the smoking. And in that respect, that's exactly what they are. But in other respects, they're an alternative to smoking, and IMO should be thought more of as such. If they were considered more as a smoking alternative, then maybe people wouldn't be so uppity about non smokers picking up a vaporizer. It is after all a healthier choice if someone is going to take up the ritual whether it be smoking or vaping.
Then OP says (s)he doesn't smoke, but took a job as a tobacconist, but doesn't smoke, but enjoys the ritual. When we try to ask questions to clear this up, we got no response, which would be a great way for OP to add to the post count (s)he's trying to get.
Why would anyone who doesn't smoke become a tobacconist? And how could anyone really take a tobacconist who doesn't smoke seriously. That's somewhat like asking your mechanic for medical advice because they're interested in eating healthy.
I'm so confused.
If you're still around, OP, not trying to knock you. We try to help anyone who comes in here looking for vaping advice and info as long as you don't come in with too negative an attitude. Then we'll blast you. We just need some clearing up because your post has some pretty conflicting info.
But to answer your questions to the best of my ability:
First off, that Ploom is quite an interesting device but I don't understand how you'll be able to use it for shisha or VG. Looks like it uses some cartridge and powder stuff to me. But I know nothing about it.
Second, I don't share the opinion most people do here about non-smokers shouldn't be vaping. It's not an exclusive club with membership only available to former smokers. And cigarettes are shoved in our faces at every gas station counter. Thousands of people who don't smoke pick them up every day despite all the common knowledge that cigarettes will kill you. So if there's something else like vaporizers that they can pick up instead, I'm all about recommending the latter.
But I certainly don't advocate picking up vaping for no reason. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances on the planet and vaping even 0 nic juice certainly could be a gateway to a nicotine addiction. If there's no turning you away from vaping, you can find many devices and the knowledge on each through this forum by reading around a little. I just do stress that you stick to the 0 nic juice and be aware of the possible consequences of picking up a vaporizer.
EDIT since this showed up while I was typing my thing:
While I do share your mentality that vaping is not an exclusive hobby, I just think it should be clear that we don't really refer to PVs so much as "nicotine recession" devices, but as "smoking cessation" devices. Many people have no intention at all of ever quitting the nicotine, just the smoking. And in that respect, that's exactly what they are. But in other respects, they're an alternative to smoking, and IMO should be thought more of as such. If they were considered more as a smoking alternative, then maybe people wouldn't be so uppity about non smokers picking up a vaporizer. It is after all a healthier choice if someone is going to take up the ritual whether it be smoking or vaping.
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Wow. I did not expect 6 pages of replies.
Firstly, thank you to everyone whom replied.
Secondly, I apologize to everyone whom I offended. I recognize that you are battling a dangerous addiction and did not realize my post would hit a tender spot. My comment about the nicotine was careless. I was mostly referring to the fact that nicotine is an antidepressant in low doses and I was probably getting pleasure from that benefit.
Thirdly, thank you to everyone whom expressed concern for my health. I appreciate it. My mother and father are lifelong smokers, and my father quit before he had any health concerns.
And fourthly, thank you to those whom answered my query in earnest.
A little about me; I am 33 , never smoked before 2 months ago. I got the tobacconist job as a PT job. The owner assured me that I do not need to be a smoker to retain the product knowledge and it would take me at least 6 months of training before I could really call myself a tobacconist. We have a lot of great resources, I ask questions about everything, and always ask my customers about their smoking experiences and preferences. I think I learn more from them than anywhere else. I love the job and the culture and community.
Since I have started working, I have smoked one pipe, half a cigar, one hookah and two ploom pods. I enjoy the smooth, flavorful, low nicotine experience from hookah and ploom model one the most. I find the pipe very traditional and enjoyable and intend to use it more on a social basis.
I am a bit of a coffee snob and can see parallels in cigar and pipe smoking, as well as other forms of tobacco. Vaporizers appeal to my gadgety nature, and I appreciate that they are non-combustion, resulting in a smoother smoke. I think I can enjoy them on a casual, social basis like most people enjoy a cigar or pipe or hookah. It is not something I intend to indulge daily. If this intention offends too many and it not welcome here, I will graciously depart.
I apologize for not replying sooner. I posted late at night and only have access from my mobile, which is not my favorite way to internet. I will try to keep up with this thread if we can continue reasonable discourse.
Firstly, thank you to everyone whom replied.
Secondly, I apologize to everyone whom I offended. I recognize that you are battling a dangerous addiction and did not realize my post would hit a tender spot. My comment about the nicotine was careless. I was mostly referring to the fact that nicotine is an antidepressant in low doses and I was probably getting pleasure from that benefit.
Thirdly, thank you to everyone whom expressed concern for my health. I appreciate it. My mother and father are lifelong smokers, and my father quit before he had any health concerns.
And fourthly, thank you to those whom answered my query in earnest.
A little about me; I am 33 , never smoked before 2 months ago. I got the tobacconist job as a PT job. The owner assured me that I do not need to be a smoker to retain the product knowledge and it would take me at least 6 months of training before I could really call myself a tobacconist. We have a lot of great resources, I ask questions about everything, and always ask my customers about their smoking experiences and preferences. I think I learn more from them than anywhere else. I love the job and the culture and community.
Since I have started working, I have smoked one pipe, half a cigar, one hookah and two ploom pods. I enjoy the smooth, flavorful, low nicotine experience from hookah and ploom model one the most. I find the pipe very traditional and enjoyable and intend to use it more on a social basis.
I am a bit of a coffee snob and can see parallels in cigar and pipe smoking, as well as other forms of tobacco. Vaporizers appeal to my gadgety nature, and I appreciate that they are non-combustion, resulting in a smoother smoke. I think I can enjoy them on a casual, social basis like most people enjoy a cigar or pipe or hookah. It is not something I intend to indulge daily. If this intention offends too many and it not welcome here, I will graciously depart.
I apologize for not replying sooner. I posted late at night and only have access from my mobile, which is not my favorite way to internet. I will try to keep up with this thread if we can continue reasonable discourse.
Hello everyone..!! I just joined this forum.. I must say that i started my vaping habit just today.. ( I ordered my first e-cigarette from smokefree.in). I was never a smoker.. i didnt like the tobacco or the nicotine.. one of my friends started vaping a few days back and he introduced me into this.. I read a lot about the Vaping before i wanted to try it.. Ur forum has been absolutely wonderful in providing many many details about e-cigs and vaping..
I have bought a normal premium e-cig in which i have used the Strawberry flavor e-liquid which has ZERO NICOTINE.... I wanted to be absolutely sure that i wanted zero nicotine and i just wanted to try flavors.. This particular post here is very similar to mine and i've been following this thread keenly and i observe mixed views..
I am firm that i wont get addicted to this habit of continuous vaping and that i wont opt for nicotine either..
Could you please suggest some good flavours to try? Also is zero nicotine better than all that's outside?
I have bought a normal premium e-cig in which i have used the Strawberry flavor e-liquid which has ZERO NICOTINE.... I wanted to be absolutely sure that i wanted zero nicotine and i just wanted to try flavors.. This particular post here is very similar to mine and i've been following this thread keenly and i observe mixed views..
I am firm that i wont get addicted to this habit of continuous vaping and that i wont opt for nicotine either..
Could you please suggest some good flavours to try? Also is zero nicotine better than all that's outside?
While I totally agree that PVs are a smoking cessation device not nicotine. This is something we have to be careful about because the average person wont see the difference, and the FDA will jump on this and has in the past. I still would be careful about encouraging anyone not addicted to nicotine to use them, even if they are in the early stages of smoking or considering taking it up. I know it's way better for you and all that, but I can't ever see it as something to just take up because you're curious or romanticized about smoking.
Really it's less harm, but not totally harm free as far as we know. We're supposed to be breathing air, not vapor. I don't see it as totally harm free, even if it is thousands of times safer than cigarettes as study after study has shown. Now one day we might have enough evidence to say that the stuff we are vaping has such low toxic levels that their effects are totally negligible and PVs can be deemed totally safe. This is not an impossibility, but until then we should keep vaping as an alternative to the smoker as harm reduction, not as something non smokers or nicotine users should try.
It's a cautious stance, but the smart one, unless you want the FDA to use this as an excuse to tax, regulate and restrict the hell out of us.
I just want to say that I am non smoker but try cigarette and really like it, so i really want to try again because I really like the flavor.
So instead start addicting to nicotin and cigarette's i buy some e-cigarette and move my desire to tobacco and cigarette's away.
I don't really need it, it just help me to stay away from tobacco and cigarette's.
So instead start addicting to nicotin and cigarette's i buy some e-cigarette and move my desire to tobacco and cigarette's away.
I don't really need it, it just help me to stay away from tobacco and cigarette's.
Ploom Model One is a butane-powered e-cigarette which vaporizes powdered tobacco blends and non-tobacco tea and mint blends in pre-filled single-serving aluminum Ploom Pods. I considered these before I decided to use the eGo with liquids.
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