Non-smoker thinking of vaping

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mosspa

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Getting ready to drop to 5mg. I don't see my habit changing.

Actually, this is exactly what you would predict if habit strength is independent from nicotine concentration. That was an excellent post Robino1. I'm glad you highlighted the word habit, which is exactly the right word.
 

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Actually, this is exactly what you would predict if habit strength is independent from nicotine concentration. That was an excellent post Robino1. I'm glad you highlighted the word habit, which is exactly the right word.

Thank you :)
I was wondering if people would catch that ;)
 

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oooh oh oh I can answer that one!

Since I use basically the same gear all the time, it doesn't have any affect on the outcome of my answer. In other words, I am not using a liquid guzzling device compared to one that is middle of the road.
Example: Dripping vs sub ohm vs tank. As we know, sub ohm'ing will go through more liquid.

Sooo I started with 24mg and a not as efficient device. Definitely did not go through that much liquid. Device? or because it was 24mg? That I cannot answer.

Better device: Dropped to 18mg and go through 5 ml per day.
Quickly dropped to 15mg. Same device, go through 5 ml per day.
Dropped to 12mg. Same device, go through 5 ml per day
Dropped to 9mg. New device (from this point on, I only use this device), go through slightly more than 5 ml per day.
Dropped to 8mg. Same device, Same amount
Dropped to 7mg. Same as above
Dropped to 6mg. same as above.

Getting ready to drop to 5mg. I don't see my habit changing.

I am using exactly the same device, power settings and ml per day since I've started. I went from 18mg to 8mg in 2 months. Reducing nic was not difficult. What seems difficult is addressing the habit i.e. the frequency of vape. It has remained a constant.
 

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I actually would like to lower my nic level but at the same time, if I lower my nic, I vape more. Not saying because of my sub ohming RDA but in my MVP with Mini Nautilus. I usually vape, like I said earlier, about 3-4 ml/day @ 24 mg. If I lower it (nic), I tried @ 18mg and end up vaping 5-6 ml/day. Maybe by this study, I am not eating enough foods or drinking enough to get the nicotine lvl my body wants to run on optimal performance........
 

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I actually would like to lower my nic level but at the same time, if I lower my nic, I vape more. Not saying because of my sub ohming RDA but in my MVP with Mini Nautilus. I usually vape, like I said earlier, about 3-4 ml/day @ 24 mg. If I lower it (nic), I tried @ 18mg and end up vaping 5-6 ml/day. Maybe by this study, I am not eating enough foods or drinking enough to get the nicotine lvl my body wants to run on optimal performance........

My strategy was to reduce a few mg at a time, starting in the mornings. If you reduce during daytime, after let's say vaping 24 you go 20, you will notice it as a significant lack of throat hit and the inhaling experience feels unsatisfactory. Thus you'll draw some more, but it won't help (vape is not as "elastic" as cigarettes, in the sense described here http://www.smoke-free.ca/eng_research/elasticity.htm).

If you start with a fresh throat in the morning with lets say 22, you may not notice the difference in TH, and the vape feels satisfactory.

Note that absolute nicotine content in your body doesn't matter as much as the TH (i.e. chewing nicorette to compensate for the nic level won't make the vape feel any better).
 

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My strategy was to reduce a few mg at a time, starting in the mornings. If you reduce during daytime, after let's say vaping 24 you go 20, you will notice it as a significant lack of throat hit and the inhaling experience feels unsatisfactory. Thus you'll draw some more, but it won't help (vape is not as "elastic" as cigarettes, in the sense described here  ).

If you start with a fresh throat in the morning with lets say 22, you may not notice the difference in TH, and the vape feels satisfactory.

Note that absolute nicotine content in your body doesn't matter as much as the TH (i.e. chewing nicorette to compensate for the nic level won't make the vape feel any better).
On my way out but will read little later. Thanks for the tip. I will definitely try it out.
 

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Vaping is enjoyable and has moved past the point in popularity that it would be just for ex-smokers.

I would say one of the draw backs in going from nothing to vaping is the cost, smokers have been shelling out money for cigs, so moving over to vaping and quitting cigs, you can trade the expense.

If you start vaping it probably wont to be too expensive, but getting the better gear can turn into a hobby and before you know it you've spent some real money, plus the constant need for juice.
 

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Local shops don't offer high concentrations because, as far as I can tell by visiting local shops here, the people that run them might as well be running yogurt stores. I went to 15 vape shops around Bonita Springs, Naples and Fort Myers. You're right, none of them offered any strengths over 20mg. When I asked where I might be able to find some 45mg I got a lecture from EVERY one of them why that would be very dangerous and probably lethal. Well, at the time, I was vaping from Vuse e-cigs which are 45mg devices, and I certainly wasn't dead. Even when I showed them the RJR spec sheet that said 4.5% nicotine, they told me that meant 4.5mg (every one of them told me this). Beside the fact that local vape shops appear to be populated by simian minded employees, my guess is that it is a CYA thing. You couldn't get me to go into a local vape shop again. I'd rather buy Vuse at some gas station where I don't expect the person selling them to me to know anything about the product.

BTW, there are a lot of on-line places to buy flavored juices up to about 50mg. I bought mine from myfreedomsmokes. All of the MGS line comes in 48mg. Since I don't buy flavored any longer (actually I only ever bought one 30ml bottle), there are many places that will sell you stock nicotine solutions diluted in various PG/VG ratios up to 100mg, and it appears that the roll your own crowd is demanding non-nicotine flavorings, because they are all over the place now.
You must have a high tolerance for nic.
With a good set up, 6mg gives me a nice hit of nicotine, i would probably go 12mg in a low end ego type set up.

One reason not many places stock or make high nicotine is probably the cost, as it would be more expensive to make high nicotine juice since the nicotine part of the juice is much more expensive than PG/VG.
 

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I guess what I was getting at is that based on the post I replied to is that once "hooked " the vaper doesnt necessarily increase the nicotine content of the liquid, otherwise higher nic content liquid would be the norm.

We need to "poll the audience" to see what the average forum user's eliquid content is on their all day vape. I know some do higher lower depending on the time of day or situation/flavor.

Poll:

http://goo.gl/zoVQif

Results:

http://goo.gl/X6ze3N
 
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I guess what I was getting at is that based on the post I replied to is that once "hooked " the vaper doesnt necessarily increase the nicotine content of the liquid, otherwise higher nic content liquid would be the norm.

We need to "poll the audience" to see what the average forum user's eliquid content is on their all day vape. I know some do higher lower depending on the time of day or situation/flavor.

Poll:

What is the nicotine content (per milliliter) of your all day vape eliquid? - Poll

Results:

What is the nicotine content (per milliliter) of your all day vape eliquid? - Poll Results

Excellent post! This should bump the thread back up and maybe more people will notice it.
 

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Thanks roly, I'll look there. However, from my perspective as a site newbie, I find it a bit hard to navigate this forum.

The forum is huge :)

In order to keep things organized, we have to have everything compartmentalized. I remember when I discovered there were areas outside of the New Members section :ohmy:!
 

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The forum is huge :)

In order to keep things organized, we have to have everything compartmentalized. I remember when I discovered there were areas outside of the New Members section :ohmy:!

I fully understand that. When I started the thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/633573-vaping-nicotine-advantages.html I was a new member. In fact, that was my first post here. Last week, I came back, and now I am participating on a regular basis. As you have probably gathered, my interest lies mainly in the health effects (especially those related to cognition) of vaping. I was delighted when I found this thread, and a few other like it. However, the last time I visited this thread was a couple days ago, and already, it had sunk about 11 pages down in the new members forum. The amount of interest that the thread I started and this one especially, had generated, suggested that there are quite a few members who are also interested in health effects (i.e., it appears that the vast majority of members are vaping to achieve risk reduction from smoking). The other day, I made a suggestion that a forum dedicated to health effects be created. It seems to me, that, in the interest of compartmentalization, "Health Effects" would be as worthy of an independent forum as, say, "Vaping Hardware". Just my opinion, of course.
 
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