Non-smokers, Smokers and Vapers

[JonnyW]

You said if you didn't vape nicotine it would be ok. Nope..it's not just the nic or even the flavors..it's the hand to mouth. That is what hooked me! I didn't even inhale for the longest time! (ok..I can hear you giggling out there!) believe me the hand to mouth is just as addicting as the nic!

Your interest is fine, we welcome questions..just don't buy out of curiosity! That defeats what we are about, Freedom to vape for smokers, not hooking new non-smokers!

True, but then again vaping is not smoking, so you're not really hooking someone to smoking

Ok, I'll stop playing devil's advocate

 

[Proverb]

Very true, I suppose it depends on if you vape for the addiction/habbit or do it as a hobby. I can see why it would be fine if you're doing it without the nicotine, but most vapors do it to get nicotine in a healthier fashion.

People get addicted to all sorts of things without things like nicotine/caffeine though, so bear that in mind when you're making this decision/investigating this fascination. Hell people get addicted to sex (even more so than just being a guy), jogging, doing repetitive things, et cetera. There have been a few stories of smokers going right to the 0 mg nic juice and being satiated solely because of the vapor/throat hit. Just some food for thought.

 

[Mary Kay]

Drat..I meant to say that's how I got hooked on smoking..the hand to mouth!
yeah, vaping is not smoking, but the hand movement is the same..try a toosie pop..lol Those are nice and safe, if you aren't a diabetic like me!
Welcome to ECF Jonny

 

[JonnyW]

Thanks for the welcome, though I'm just passin' through...

*tips hat and slowly trots horse over to the ol' saloon*

 

[newbutt]

People that have never smoked don't understand the power of the addiction. They think "well I'll just smoke when I go out with friends" or " just to be social". There is a minute fraction of people that can actually do this. The rest will be hopelessly addicted to nicotine & will spend their life fighting the addiction. Smokers don't wish this on their worse enemy. Your doctor will tell you that nicotine is more addictive than ......, at least mine did.
You have that small group that say them LOVE to smoke & don't want to quit ever. I know people that have been quit for years & say things like " If I every found out I was terminal, I'd go buy a carton of cigarettes. I just don't understand that. I NEVER want to smoke again & I don't want to vape long term. I want to be free of nicotine forever & as soon as I can get there. I started as a dumb kid wanting to be cool & I've regretted it ever since.
Then you have that small group of smokers that thinks vaping is stupid & that aggressive non-smokers are stupid. But in my experience, those types believe if you don't think exactly like they do & believe everything they believe, your stupid. Of course there are non-smokers that fall into that same type of thinking. These are called ...... or you may know them as members of ASH
But honestly, I believe the majority of smokers regret ever trying tobacco & we don't want anyone to become addicted to nicotine. I also believe the majority picked up the E-cig because they wanted to be free of nicotine, not just swap habits, but that's what will happen if you don't make a plan & try to stick to it.

Today at lunch, my waitress was fascinated with my E-cig, so I was telling her about it. A few minutes later, another waitress came over asking questions, how much were they, where could she get one, etc. But, I could just tell she didn't have much knowledge about cigarettes, so I ask her if she smoked. No was her answer & I just said "well then you don't want to try this". I wasn't rude or insulting, more fatherly, but she got totally ...... & stormed off. The other girl came back by & said not to worry, she was ditz. This was a classic case of a kid seeing something she thought looked cool & wanted one. She apparently also didn't like anyone telling what she should or should not do. Tough, that's the parent coming out in me.

Jonny, we don't want you to become an addict. We appreciate your support while we battle our addiction & if you have a friend or loved one that smokes, by all means,tell them about E-cigs & ECF. We are here to help each other.
Thanks for your interest, but please stay clean.

 

[Robert]

I made a thread that dealt with addiction and why? Genetic Predisposition thats why.. Not one person responded to my thread, it might be a little too much for some to handle.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...otine-marketing-e-cigs-kids-young-adults.html

 

[lordmage]

it sounds to me the age old question. Pro choice Vs Pro life. lol hate to say it that way but it is true. pro choice to do what you want Vs pro what ever makes you life linger even if boring.

 

[Jules22871]

As a 30 year 2+ pack a day smoker, when I first heard about ecigs was back when China was having all the quality control issues and I swore I would never inhale something made in China. Boy has that statement bit me on the ....,lol Often we fear what we don't know. Maybe that is part of the reason smokers and non-smokers are so against them. They don't know what they are so they must be bad. Instead of doing their own research and learning about them they just take what the government says as gospel and they follow the herd.

 

[Moonflame]

Johnny--I do suggest buying a kit and leave it laying around the house for your roommates to stumble over. Tell them they can't try it, you bought it for a relative that smokes because you thought it looked interesting. Then wait for them to beg you to try it out and grudgingly give in. Bingo--2 new vapers and your apt now doesn't smell like an ashtray.

 

[JonnyW]

I appreciate the responsibility you all show, though I should reiterate that I have no plans to start vaping (and certainly not smoking), I was simply interested in discussing e cigs and the rather fascinating sub-culture around them.

Still, if you vaped with a nicotine-less solution, is there anything harmful? Again, just food for thought, I have no plans to vape. Too expensive for a college student like me who has no nicotine addiction to fight. I think it certainly merits more study though. Imagine how big of a deal it would be if they found nothing harmful in nicotine-less e-juice. 'Twould be the end of analogs, methinks.

About the roomate situation- I've never tried my roommates cigs (someone mentioned that, I think they had me confused), but I do hate the smell. I should at least tell 'em about e cigs, though they're party guys that probably don't give a crap about their health right now. They also have this oh-so-lovely habbit of smoking pot in their room (it's a two bedroom apartment, they have their own room), and then lying to me like they don't know where the smell is coming from. Sadly I don't want to have to deal with telling the management and risk getting us all evicted, so I'm kind of just dealing with it for now.

 

[lordmage]

Jonnyw feel free learn what you can and want about vaping welcome aboard Vapeing is not a requirement to post here.

 

[isande]

You know... I don't really get the "Don't start!" argument, either. And that goes for analogs as well. These days, I think it's safe to say that most adults are well-informed about the dangers and downsides of smoking analogs.

I absolutely support any adult's decision to begin vaping or even smoking analogs. Though I have to say if someone told me they were planning to start smoking analogs, I'd make sure they were aware of e-cigarettes as an alternative.

Personally, I started smoking "full-time" about 10 years ago -- almost immediately moving to two packs a day -- and have never regretted it. My husband and I quit for a month once, mostly because the idea of reclaiming the money we spend on cigarettes was appealing. At the end of a month, once the nicotine withdrawal should have been pretty much over, we decided to resume smoking because -- after weighing the pros and cons -- it was worth it to us.

I switched (mostly - I still smoke 1 to 3 analogs a day) to vaping because it neatly eliminated nearly all of the cons while retaining the pros of smoking. It's cheaper, smells better, tastes better, easier on the lungs, doesn't leave tar residue on my computer monitor, etc.

As for social smokers -- they do exist. I've known quite a lot of people who smoked occasionally for years. Most only smoke while hanging out at a bar with friends. I was an occasional smoker myself for a few years prior to making the decision (yes, the decision!) to begin smoking regularly.

--K

P.S. My husband says I overestimate a typical adult human's ability to make well-reasoned decisions. Based on the stories I've read of how others began smoking, he may be right.

 

[hifistud]

Finally!! Someone who has the courage to tell it like it is. Like all drug users (and all of us who smoke analogues (note the English spelling) and vape a nicotine bearing juice are) we <b>chose</b> to begin, either wittingly or unwittingly. And, believe it or not, there <i>are</i> therapeutic uses for nicotine (regulation of certain heart conditions, for instance).

What I don't understand is the encouragement we all get to begin using alcohol (another addictive and depressing drug), and the self same people who would encourage that would never encourage vaping, even though, in my assessment, vaping poses far fewer risks to health overall than alcohol.

And, again, what is wrong with vaping a nicotine-free juice simply for the flavour, and the enjoyment one could derive from that? It's probably far less injurious to your health that stuffing your mush full of candy floss or hershey (sp?) bars or (in the UK) Werther's Originals.

So, folks, let's get off our high horses, shall we? What we have here is very, very new - it's a delivery method for all manner of purposes, a lot of which have yet to be identified or tried. What it isn't, though, is insidious and nasty - it is, indeed, quite the opposite, and, frankly, I'd encourage anyone who has a yen to "look cool" to go down the PV and no-nic juice route, the same as many of us who avoid alcohol might drink alcohol-free beers and wines.

You know... I don't really get the "Don't start!" argument, either. And that goes for analogs as well. These days, I think it's safe to say that most adults are well-informed about the dangers and downsides of smoking analogs.

I absolutely support any adult's decision to begin vaping or even smoking analogs. Though I have to say if someone told me they were planning to start smoking analogs, I'd make sure they were aware of e-cigarettes as an alternative.

Personally, I started smoking "full-time" about 10 years ago -- almost immediately moving to two packs a day -- and have never regretted it. My husband and I quit for a month once, mostly because the idea of reclaiming the money we spend on cigarettes was appealing. At the end of a month, once the nicotine withdrawal should have been pretty much over, we decided to resume smoking because -- after weighing the pros and cons -- it was worth it to us.

I switched (mostly - I still smoke 1 to 3 analogs a day) to vaping because it neatly eliminated nearly all of the cons while retaining the pros of smoking. It's cheaper, smells better, tastes better, easier on the lungs, doesn't leave tar residue on my computer monitor, etc.

As for social smokers -- they do exist. I've known quite a lot of people who smoked occasionally for years. Most only smoke while hanging out at a bar with friends. I was an occasional smoker myself for a few years prior to making the decision (yes, the decision!) to begin smoking regularly.

--K

P.S. My husband says I overestimate a typical adult human's ability to make well-reasoned decisions. Based on the stories I've read of how others began smoking, he may be right.

 

[isande]

And, again, what is wrong with vaping a nicotine-free juice simply for the flavour, and the enjoyment one could derive from that? It's probably far less injurious to your health that stuffing your mush full of candy floss or hershey (sp?) bars or (in the UK) Werther's Originals.

That's a good point, too. I've lost a bit of weight since I started vaping. Both my snacking "cause the food tastes good" and my smoking have decreased drastically since I got my 901. Why stuff my face when I'm not hungry when I've got a nice selection of 30 different flavors of liquid in my desk drawer?

Someone posted on these forums that they had an issue with overeating and their therapist had recommended they start vaping zero nic liquid. The responses I read were mostly of the "Nooo! Don't start!!!" variety. Personally, I thought it was a very clever idea and one that was likely to be quite helpful.

--K

 

[sherid]

Very true, I suppose it depends on if you vape for the addiction/habbit or do it as a hobby. I can see why it would be fine if you're doing it without the nicotine, but most vapors do it to get nicotine in a healthier fashion.

Since you have never been a smoker, you are missing a part of why vaping works so well as a replacement alternative for smoking. Anti smokers and scientists who "study" smoking as an addiction make two mistakes. First, they do not work with smokers to understand why they smoke. They just draw the incorrect conclusion that it is all about a nicotine addiction. There are multitudes of reasons for smoking beyond nicotine. One of the most important ones is the hand to mouth motion and the inhaling and exhaling smoke....very satisfying for a smoker. That's why e cigs work so well, for it replaces those motions and feelings. I don't see how anyone who has never smoked would ever understand the sensations aside from the addiction. It is why gum and patches fail so miserably. So, if a never smoker were to start vaping, he would shortly find himself snared in the same rituals as smokers with or without nicotine and would eventually become addicted to those sensations and rituals.

 

[isande]

So, if a never smoker were to start vaping, he would shortly find himself snared in the same rituals as smokers with or without nicotine and would eventually become addicted to those sensations and rituals.

The very reason these rituals become almost compulsive is because you come to associate them with "here comes the nicotine (and etc.)!" -- with the relief and the pleasure that you experience each time you smoke a cigarette. It's incredibly reinforcing because of how quickly cigarette smoke affects a person and how frequently smoking must be repeated.

There's nothing inherently addictive about picking up a stick-shaped object, sucking on it, and taking a deep breath.

--K

 

[beckah54]

First of all, let me say, I love to smoke. Sometimes, it feels like my best and only true friend. The feelings it gives me is the same everytime I picked up an analog.

I would look forward to the 15 minute break so I could spend time with my friend and stop the stress for a few minutes.

But my best friend stunk to high heaven, he was messy, dropping ashes and fire everywhere he went. No one wanted to invite him into their homes or businesses because of his rather nasty disposition.

Vaping, on the other hand, seems pretty much stink free, gives the same stress relief and doesn't drop ash or fire.

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I still consider myself a smoker not a vaper. I am still unwilling to let the habit die even though I haven't smoked analogs since June. It might or might not be in a safer package in the ecig, but I don't think I'll ever consider myself an exsmoker. Like an alcoholic, I'll be addicted to smoking the rest of my days, whether I choose to continue the habit or not.

 

[isande]

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I still consider myself a smoker not a vaper. I am still unwilling to let the habit die even though I haven't smoked analogs since June. It might or might not be in a safer package in the ecig, but I don't think I'll ever consider myself an exsmoker. Like an alcoholic, I'll be addicted to smoking the rest of my days, whether I choose to continue the habit or not.

I use the term "vaping" on the forums mostly for the sake of diplomacy. I think of it as smoking in another package, and I think of myself as a smoker. I have zero desire to be an "ex-smoker" or "non-smoker". I do not identify with these groups.

--K

 

[Mickeylynn]

My husband is not a smoker. He might have a rare cigar on a nice day, but that is it. He asked me to mix him some no nic juice and I did. He killed a battery before I did that day. I have no problem with him using it with no nic. There is no way I would let him use nic liquid w/o a major fuss though. I wouldn't wish a nicotine addition on anyone.

 

[sherid]

The very reason these rituals become almost compulsive is because you come to associate them with "here comes the nicotine (and etc.)!" -- with the relief and the pleasure that you experience each time you smoke a cigarette. It's incredibly reinforcing because of how quickly cigarette smoke affects a person and how frequently smoking must be repeated.

There's nothing inherently addictive about picking up a stick-shaped object, sucking on it, and taking a deep breath.

--K

Maybe there isn't for you, but there sure is for me. I love holding it, taking it out of the pack, lighting it (not covered by vaping) and engaging in the ritual. It is not the same for everyone, but that's how it is for me.