Smoking ban petitions to be submitted
We need to see the text of this soon so we know what to start doing.
We need to see the text of this soon so we know what to start doing.
North Dakota Petitions to be presented tomorrow
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This thread has been discussing this petition since June: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uld-ban-smoking-e-cig-use-all-workplaces.html
We already know what's in them. https://docs.google.com/file/d/13MS0REmSFm8_SAf_L12qFd2f_R_aYljXYdq3X3lJGQyz6qJ5K6jCuCqz9dny/edit
They used the model legislation being pedaled by Stanton Glantz's Americans for Non-smokers Rights that tells a bunch of lies about e-cigarettes and gives suggested wording for revising state law to roll e-cigarettes into smoke-free legislation. The only way we can fight this thing is by word of mouth and trying to get into the media.
There was nobody to write to, visit, or call because this was not being proposed by lawmakers. We had no way of stopping the Smoke Free North Dakota committee from gathering signatures on the petitions.
What we do have tomorrow is a PR opportunity. If a large group of vapers were to show up at their press conference, it might throw them a curve and hopefully steal their thunder:
We already know what's in them. https://docs.google.com/file/d/13MS0REmSFm8_SAf_L12qFd2f_R_aYljXYdq3X3lJGQyz6qJ5K6jCuCqz9dny/edit
They used the model legislation being pedaled by Stanton Glantz's Americans for Non-smokers Rights that tells a bunch of lies about e-cigarettes and gives suggested wording for revising state law to roll e-cigarettes into smoke-free legislation. The only way we can fight this thing is by word of mouth and trying to get into the media.
There was nobody to write to, visit, or call because this was not being proposed by lawmakers. We had no way of stopping the Smoke Free North Dakota committee from gathering signatures on the petitions.
What we do have tomorrow is a PR opportunity. If a large group of vapers were to show up at their press conference, it might throw them a curve and hopefully steal their thunder:
Thank you Vocalek for providing that link. It is the first time I have been able to look at the document, google docs absolutely refused to load it for me when it first appeared in the thread.
Short notice for getting 100 vapers out on a work day.
Short notice for getting 100 vapers out on a work day.
On Smoke-Free North Dakota's facebook page (Smoke-Free North Dakota | Facebook) they posted a link to an ASH article and then commented:
Several of us have posted comments that have been removed. I posted several comments, each with a link to an article that appeared in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, with nothing but a short description of the researcher's findings. Nothing critical was said about SFND -- in fact nothing at all was said about or to SFND. Nevertheless they removed them all.
Several of us have posted comments that have been removed. I posted several comments, each with a link to an article that appeared in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, with nothing but a short description of the researcher's findings. Nothing critical was said about SFND -- in fact nothing at all was said about or to SFND. Nevertheless they removed them all.
The right hand giveth and the left hand taketh away.
On one hand they comment that if e-cigs can be proven harmless and effective, they wouldn't be banned, but when this information is provided for them, they completely sensor it....
On one hand they comment that if e-cigs can be proven harmless and effective, they wouldn't be banned, but when this information is provided for them, they completely sensor it....
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Interestingly, the CDC gave a Community Transformation grant to the ND Health Dept, and "Work will target tobacco-free living" is included in the grant's stated purpose
CDC - States and Communities ? Program Descriptions - Community Transformation Grants
If the ND Health Dept has (as I strongly suspect) funded Smoke-Free North Dakota, e-cigarette advocates would be wise to expose this to the ND news media.
Since a majority of voters in ND oppose Obama, ND voters may not be pleased to find out that Obama appointees at CDC (via the ND Health Dept) have been funding the ballot initiative campaign to ban smoking and e-cig use.
CDC - States and Communities ? Program Descriptions - Community Transformation Grants
If the ND Health Dept has (as I strongly suspect) funded Smoke-Free North Dakota, e-cigarette advocates would be wise to expose this to the ND news media.
Since a majority of voters in ND oppose Obama, ND voters may not be pleased to find out that Obama appointees at CDC (via the ND Health Dept) have been funding the ballot initiative campaign to ban smoking and e-cig use.
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On the SFND facebook page, they posted a link to an ASH article with this comment: "This measure proposes limiting where you can use e-cigarettes as they have not been proven safe in any rebuttable peer-reviewed research to date." Under that post I gave them links to several articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
Without adding any editorializing whatsoever, I posted several responses that merely gave a link to an article that had been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal and a one- or two-sentence synopsis of the content.
All of these were deleted. Apparently they were not really interested in rebutting.
Without adding any editorializing whatsoever, I posted several responses that merely gave a link to an article that had been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal and a one- or two-sentence synopsis of the content.
All of these were deleted. Apparently they were not really interested in rebutting.
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North Dakota e-cigarette prohibitionists submit ballot initiative petitions with 21,000 signatures to ban e-cigarette use in all workplaces and ban smoking in several hundred, campaigners and news story fail to mention e-cigarettes.
Anti-tobacco group turns in petition; says it has 20,000 signatures
Anti-tobacco group turns in petition; says it has 20,000 signatures
Illinois has a ban on smoking in public buildings of any kind and you can not smoke on any school grounds. So I am used to that. I do not vape anywhere you can not smoke. Good luck with everything...It is not so bad and you get used to it.
But you are not smoking... Used to it or not, we can't just roll over as we did when we were smokers.
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