Not a huge fan of TC

[Hdivr]

I'm new to the TC scene.... and this is what I've discovered so far. My own coils work MUCH BETTER than any prebuilt coil. I've tried some Kanger Ni coils in my subtank at 20 watts and 420 degrees. Within a second, I'm hitting the temp protection on a Dna40 mod. It's gives an "o.k." vape compared to Kanthal coils. Now, I can build a Ni coil for my Lemo (28 gauge, 3mm) and after a good 8 second drag, the temp reading will never rise above 370 degrees and never even hit TC limit. Warm and clouds galore.

I suspect that the Kanger coils are probably 30 or 32 gauge and heat up really fast. Or it could be that the way the Lemo is wicked (longer tails that would have more liquid readily available to the coil for long drags). Either way, the vape from the Lemo is SOOOO much better than the Kanger, so far.

 

[Kingsley1065]

New to this particular thread so excuse me if I repeat things previously posted here.

Have been experimenting with TC for a few months now with some success. Started out with a VaperShark and a Lemo tank built at my favorite BM shop. Was just ok, not a quality Vape to me. Tried the SubTank with the pre-made coils- decent at first but quickly faded.
Purchased an eVic on co-op. eGo one tank horrible, stock nickle coils are the pits, juice holes way too small.
Pretty frustrated at this point.
Buddy at the local shop insisted I try the Smok TCT tank with stock Ni coils. Shocked! Great vape! Thick, warm vape I was looking for. I do have to crank the eVic way up to 550 at 40 watts but it's working great
Just picked up some Ni wire and plan on trying it out on the subTank with the newer rebuild able deck.
That's my TC story so far!


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[ZackM]

I'm new to the TC scene.... and this is what I've discovered so far. My own coils work MUCH BETTER than any prebuilt coil. I've tried some Kanger Ni coils in my subtank at 20 watts and 420 degrees. Within a second, I'm hitting the temp protection on a Dna40 mod. It's gives an "o.k." vape compared to Kanthal coils. Now, I can build a Ni coil for my Lemo (28 gauge, 3mm) and after a good 8 second drag, the temp reading will never rise above 370 degrees and never even hit TC limit. Warm and clouds galore.

I suspect that the Kanger coils are probably 30 or 32 gauge and heat up really fast. Or it could be that the way the Lemo is wicked (longer tails that would have more liquid readily available to the coil for long drags). Either way, the vape from the Lemo is SOOOO much better than the Kanger, so far.

I think thats the problem im having with TC now. Unless you're building your own coils, temp control on prebuilt ni200 coils doesnt work well. What puzzles me is how all these youtubers, etc. get the tanks to work so well still.

 

[Vapenstein]

...and what exactly are you doing in this exact sentence?

illustrating that no one likes being talked down to, especially when the person being a jerk has no idea what the skill level and experience of the person they're talking down to is

 

[ZackM]

So I installed a new coil a let that sit for a good bit, set the resistance at .25 ohms, and started vaping at it again. Now im at 32j @390 degrees. Im getting a somewhat warm vape and the cloud production is good. Not sure if this is normal for a temp that low to be warm. Can anyone comment amd see if that sounds right?

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Due to the TCR values of ni it will be the most sensitive to an electrically unstable build, you might have better luck with ti.

That is an interesting statement. Would you care to explain to us exactly what it is about the Ni TCR that would make it more sensistive to dodgy builds than Ti????

 

[yo han]

So I installed a new coil a let that sit for a good bit, set the resistance at .25 ohms, and started vaping at it again. Now im at 32j @390 degrees. Im getting a somewhat warm vape and the cloud production is good. Not sure if this is normal for a temp that low to be warm. Can anyone comment amd see if that sounds right?

Why don't you just ramp up the temperature and slightly go down from there? 390 is still pretty low. Remember that setting the temp at max almost equals no temperature control, which is what you were used to. When lowering it from there you'll get to a point where you may find your vape getting not warm enough. Notch it up a bit and you should have found the temperature you like best.

 

[ZackM]

Why don't you just ramp up the temperature and slightly go down from there? 390 is still pretty low. Remember that setting the temp at max almost equals no temperature control, which is what you were used to. When lowering it from there you'll get to a point where you may find your vape getting not warm enough. Notch it up a bit and you should have found the temperature you like best.

I went up to 480 and kept going down from there until 410 and that seemed fine for me. Im into more cooler vapes so this worked out fine. The clouds are definitely decreased and seem more airy instead of milky. I cant seem to find that spot where its cool enough, but still produces milky clouds. Im at 35j now.

 

[crxess]

Im vaping at max temp and I getting a cool vape, doesn't matter what wattage. So please explain what Im doing wrong.

Would require knowing EVERY aspect of your build and setup specs to see exactly what you are doing compared to what you are hoping for.

My concern is people are purchasing TC mods and not arming themselves with the knowledge to properly set them up.
Not understand requirements of coil construction, tank aprticularities, e-liquid reactions at given temps, etc. can lead to frustration due to personal mistakes more so than Device issues.

For another poster - Device (Tank) Heating
This can be one of two things. The tank could be suffering poor heat transfer building higher temperatures
or
The tank could be efficient in transferring heat and you are feeling the release heat drawn away from the internal structure.

If a Metal object producing heat does not get hotter over time, something is amiss. The actual question is how much should temp rise over a given period.

If your resistance readings are steady and correct the temperature rise experienced is the Tanks Design, not the power source.

 

[becosemsaida]

Well just to give my honest opinion about TC...... Pre-build coils suck, i don't like them at all. Make my own coils for some time now and although i had to re-learn (and make alot of mistakes, waisted som Ni wire etc. etc.) after getting the hang of it i don't complain. It has a learning curve to it, all has to be balanced, resistance, wick, JUICE, power and a device that lets you set it as you want.

I've been using TC for about a month and my kanthal builds are resting but just for the fun i made a kanthal build today......... going right back to TC... If you get it right there's nothing better. I for about a month only used Ni but as soon as i get some Ti wire and by all the input i've seen here it just gets better and better.

When we started to make our own coils in the "early" days there were a lot that were having problems, they persisted and nowadays are pro coil builders..... Never forget that you have to learn and practise to make perfection......

Beco

 

[LVixen]

It has a learning curve to it, all has to be balanced, resistance, wick, JUICE, power and a device that lets you set it as you want.

You're definitely right about that. I'm still struggling with all these variables...

BTW, have you found a saída desse beco, yet? LOL!

 

[coilburner]

Would require knowing EVERY aspect of your build and setup specs to see exactly what you are doing compared to what you are hoping for.

My concern is people are purchasing TC mods and not arming themselves with the knowledge to properly set them up.
Not understand requirements of coil construction, tank aprticularities, e-liquid reactions at given temps, etc. can lead to frustration due to personal mistakes more so than Device issues.

For another poster - Device (Tank) Heating
This can be one of two things. The tank could be suffering poor heat transfer building higher temperatures
or
The tank could be efficient in transferring heat and you are feeling the release heat drawn away from the internal structure.

If a Metal object producing heat does not get hotter over time, something is amiss. The actual question is how much should temp rise over a given period.

If your resistance readings are steady and correct the temperature rise experienced is the Tanks Design, not the power source.

Evic VT, using the ti and ni coils it comes with at 600f and it doesn't matter what watts I use it at, like I said.

 

[ZackM]

Well just to give my honest opinion about TC...... Pre-build coils suck, i don't like them at all. Make my own coils for some time now and although i had to re-learn (and make alot of mistakes, waisted som Ni wire etc. etc.) after getting the hang of it i don't complain. It has a learning curve to it, all has to be balanced, resistance, wick, JUICE, power and a device that lets you set it as you want.

I've been using TC for about a month and my kanthal builds are resting but just for the fun i made a kanthal build today......... going right back to TC... If you get it right there's nothing better. I for about a month only used Ni but as soon as i get some Ti wire and by all the input i've seen here it just gets better and better.

When we started to make our own coils in the "early" days there were a lot that were having problems, they persisted and nowadays are pro coil builders..... Never forget that you have to learn and practise to make perfection......

Beco

When i went to the shop today to ask some questions about my herakles with ni200 coils, they said to just trash it. Premade coils arent there yet with temp control, and they give temp control a bad name. This happened to me for my experience. Im no builder or anything, so i just picked up the new Triton ,and use that in wattage mode on my sxm. Until tc is perfected on coils, i dont think ill be using it in a bit.

 

[USMCotaku]

Im vaping at max temp and I getting a cool vape, doesn't matter what wattage. So please explain what Im doing wrong.

That's usually an indicator of poor wicking....capillary action to slow so tp is kicking in early, resulting in weak vapor

 

[Azarias]

The only reason I get cold, weak vapor from my TC build is when I messed it up. Especially the wicking.

I'm actually surprised every time when someone says he can actually taste the different wires. I couldn't tell if I vape NiCr, Kanthal, Ni200 or Titanium. But again I couldn't even taste Silica when a lot of people complained about that taste.

I love TC on my tanks but for dripping not so much. Maybe when I have my DNA200.

As for battery life: It depends on the chip. My Kangxin suck batteries dry in no time. On my DNA40's my batteries last much longer.

 

[SomeTexan]

When i went to the shop today to ask some questions about my herakles with ni200 coils, they said to just trash it. Premade coils arent there yet with temp control, and they give temp control a bad name. This happened to me for my experience. Im no builder or anything, so i just picked up the new Triton ,and use that in wattage mode on my sxm. Until tc is perfected on coils, i dont think ill be using it in a bit.

Just today, finally, my Smok TCT showed up. I've vaped a full tank through it and I'm impressed. It blows my build in my SubTank mini rda away. I'm not a cloud chaser, but it will fog a room up. Im more than happy with the performance. Only issue I have is its a pain to take it apart to fill. Super tight and almost takes 3 hands to put the base back on because the o-rings try to pop out of their grooves.

 

[ZackM]

Just today, finally, my Smok TCT showed up. I've vaped a full tank through it and I'm impressed. It blows my build in my SubTank mini rda away. I'm not a cloud chaser, but it will fog a room up. Im more than happy with the performance. Only issue I have is its a pain to take it apart to fill. Super tight and almost takes 3 hands to put the base back on because the o-rings try to pop out of their grooves.

Don't get me wrong, the tc definitely can blow some clouds, its just not perfected yet. Unless you're building on an rda, the experience isnt as good.

 

[SomeTexan]

Don't get me wrong, the tc definitely can blow some clouds, its just not perfected yet. Unless you're building on an rda, the experience isnt as good.

I think it's just a learning curve and preference. I've built a couple on my drippers and think I like this better. This tank flows some air, probably on par with my Freakshow, more than my Derringer. Super adjustable, you can close it down to Nautilus on the smallest setting range of you want. But, I don't like warmer vapor. If you want heat, temp control probably isn't going to be your thing. It gets warm, but not hot. I've got my SW set at 70 watts and 440 degrees, and it is exactly what I want. Above that it warms up more than I like. Like they say, different strokes for different folks.

The coils in this TCT are parallel vertical. My first time using vertical coils. What are the coils like in your tank?

 

[DarthVapar]

I've vaped many stable builds at 580 on my DNA 40, and the vape doesn't compare to a Kanthal build under 0.5 running 40-50w, and god you even have to be arrogant in your second response. I was the first vaping personality to have my own line of eliquid, conceived in 2010 and on the market in 2011, and you don't see me going around talking down to people on ECF, or anywhere. Well, except the arrogant ones like you that imply multiple times that I don't know what I'm doing. Grow up and accept that TC is not a one size fits all solution for all vapers, and that opinions that differ from yours are not necessarily incorrect. I do not like TC, it does not give me the warm, satisfying vape that I get from Kanthal. I do not care what you think about that, nor should you care that TC was not for me. This isn't a contest where someone wins a prize at the end.

Thank you for your opinions and your take on temperature control. I am fairly new to TC , and I'm not very good with change so I'm still trying to figure out which one I like better. I have some nice hardware but truth be told I'm an advanced intermediate vaper at best. At first it thought TC was a little gimmicky but I can see there are pros and cons to all wire, tanks and mod features. Bottom line for me is that to each his own, and it's all a matter of personal preference and taste.

 

[Treeburner1983]

It blows my build in my SubTank mini rda away.

Just for the record the Subtank Mini rebuildable deck is a RTA (rebuildable tank atomizer), not RDA (rebuildable dripping atomizer). Sometimes it's also referred to as the RBA (rebuildable atomizer) deck, although RBA is a loosely defined term whereas RTA and RDA are more specific.

-Treeburner