Not aloud to vape indoors in New Jersey

[pigelty]

It does suck to not be able to use your PV indoors, but what can 'ya do? It's not legal to "vape" in most states 'cause there isn't enough research on PV's yet.
I use it in my house, other people offer for me to use it in their house, but when I'm out and about, I go outside with the smokers. It's fine with me in some ways because I still get to fit into the "culture" of my fellow-smoker buddies while I vape away.
It may take years before people are allowed to vape indoors at public places. We just gotta deal with it unfortunetly.

 

[pigelty]

PS-let's not forget about 12 years ago, we were allowed to smoke in public places in "smoking" areas. Many years before that, people smoked EVERYWHERE!

 

[Dee74]

The keyword in the original op was that he was a volunteer EMT, stop volunteering for them and solve your problem. I know you may not wish to do that as you probably like it, but sometimes the line must be laid down or things will never change. Good luck to you.

 

[Vocalek]

The reality is that people really buy into all of the "anti" propaganda so much quicker than the "pro" propaganda. I find it interesting how unsubstantiated claims by legislators and the FDA can stir so many people up and turn them against vaping when data from respected medical professionals, such as Dr. Siegel, don't garner as much support. I have family in Albany, NY. When I started vaping, my family thought it was great and they were 100% in favor of this as a safer alternative to my smoking. I even bought my sister an e-cig starter kit for Christmas, which she began using. When I visited this past President's Weekend, my sister was still smoking tobacco and when I pulled out my e-cig, she asked me if I heard all the news about how bad they were. She explained that NY state was banning them because of how much worse they are than regular cigarettes. Even when I pointed out all of the positive studies and facts, she still sided with the government.

I am done trying to turn people into vapers. Live and let live is my motto. If people want to smoke, fine. If they want to vape, fine. Just don't take away that choice!!!!

I hope Linda Rosenthal is proud of her accomplishment. If her goal was to convince smokers to continue smoking, it appears to be working. Ms. Rosenthal definitely needs to be nominated for a Cassie. http://casaa.org/news/article.asp?articleID=131&l=a&p

 

[Supertaper]

“The battery warms the liquid nicotine and propylene glycol from a replaceable plastic cartridge when a person inhales the device,” Vitale said. “Propylene glycol, which is used in antifreeze, is the liquid that vaporizes when a person exhales and produces a mist that is nearly identical in appearance to tobacco smoke. According to a 2009 statement by Health Canada, the Canadian federal government agency with regulatory jurisdiction over health issues, inhaling propylene glycol is a known irritant.”

I find this incredibly aggravating for several reasons.

1. I am sick to death of hearing that propylene glycol is in antifreeze. So what if it is? It's presence doesn't logically indicate that it is what makes antifreeze poisonous. Any pre-diluted antifreeze also contains water. So there's water in antifreeze, does that prove that water is dangerous? Don't any of these people think for themselves? I was born and raised in Canada, but if I were in Spain, would that make me spanish? I guess so, if anything that is in antifreeze is poison by default, then anyone in Spain must be spanish by default.

2. what is so difficult about understanding that PROPYLENE glycol is not the same as ETHYLENE glycol? People have no problem working out that sodium CHLORIDE is not the same as sodium HYDROXIDE. No one ever says "OMG! you eat french fries? Don't you know they sprinkle those with LYE?'

3. Why on earth are they quoting a statement by Health Canada? Why not the FDA? Even better, why not quote actual research?

I am so frustrated by the way people put a slant on things by only giving some of the facts. Yes it is true that PG is in some antifreeze, but it is also true that it is there because it is so much safer than ethylene glycol. I think I'm even more frustrated by the people that take these little bits of information and run with them, make no effort to learn the whole story; and even go so far as to be stubbornly resistant to learning anything more of it.

 

[Vocalek]

Linda Rosenthal is a pompous jerk, who refuses to examine the consequences of her actions. Every smoker who considered switching to a reduced-harm alternative and kept on smoking because Linda convinced them that smoking is healtheir is a protential dead body added to her Karma scoresheet.

But, when ever you see any of the FDA garbage being quoted and you email someone to correct their factual errors, you can attach a copy of this document. http://www.casaa.org/files/E-cigarettes_and_Smoke-free_Policies.pdf

 

[Xzelian]

I am not a resident of NJ, but discovered this thread pending an upcoming trip to Atlantic City, where I anticipate hours of fun going through withdrawl at a poker tourney.

One of the means we used in VA to get this repealled was pointing out that not only is PG an ingredient in the SAFER version of anti-freeze but it is the PRIME ingredient in fog machines.

With this noted the bill states:
the burning or inhaling of tobacco or any other matter than can be smoked or inhaled, or the inhaling of smoke or vapor from an electronic smoking device.

By this definition as fog machines are electronic in design utilizing a heating element, and as they are designed to simulate "smoke," a powerful weapon would be to cite all establishments using these devices and force media attention to this.

Report them in violation, then when questioned then bring up the similarities.

If they ban it for inhalation in one application they must ban it for all.

Enough stage shows, casinos, circuses and amusement parks that can be brought in (with hefty legal departments) to fight associated cases would do some good.
Every Wal-Mart and Sam's Club with a fog machine in Halloween season fined!.

One of the biggest arguments is that there is no long term exposure data.
I believe with this strategy that data will suddenly surface.
I'm not saying to be unreasonable, but fight ....fire with fire, or PG bans with PG bans.

Just Sayin'

-Ed