Not getting clouds

[jameswouldgo]

Hi,

I have a magneto and just got a tugboat. I haven't got much vapor production as I wanted. I would love to blow some clouds. I used prewrapped coils and came in at .6ohms. Any ideas of what I am doing wrong? I only get average vapor production.

 

[eyerhere]

pics of your set up might help
Got a good battery?
whats your wick like?
clouds are only as good as the user not the toys.

 

[Neolithium]

Cloud chasing if that's what you're after, depends on a ridiculous amount of things - Type of wick, how you lay out your wick, your coils, their positioning, air flow, batteries, what mix your juice is at (More VG = Denser clouds). Also, most pics or videos of actual cloud chasing are quite a bit below 0.6 ohm, and not for newer builders in the least. Concentrate on a vape you enjoy, and build your clouds from there, mod, batteries & SAFETY KNOWLEDGE permitting.

Edit - If you give us the exact batteries you're using, and what gauge kanthal you have on hand, chances are we can come up with something as a suggestion here on the forum that may be better, factory coils are not made for chasing clouds, they are only made to hit a certain ohm level and nothing more. I should clarify above as well, MOST builds are below 0.6 by quite a bit, however with the right coil layout & wick, you can get them, chances are not on some stock factory build though.

 

[jameswouldgo]

I got a efest 2500mah 3.7v battery. I used cotton bacon by wick n vape. The gauge of the prewrapped kanthal is 26g. I am getting a roll of 28g kanthal pretty soon through the mail. I am also using 100%vg juice.


Thanks for the help!

 

[Neolithium]

1) If that's cotton, it looks like it may be too much, and the wick layout isn't ideal for any kind of proper wicking for clouds. You'll want some fluffy babes going on like the pic I link below, except better cause it's my lazy *** build LOL.
2) Don't order those coils again, I think I may have wrapped some better while drunk.
3) You have good batteries, the efest 2500's are 20amp drain and good down to 0.23ohm with a safety factor.
4) If you're getting 28 gauge I would spend some time reading up on parallel coils, as long as they don't take forever to heat up (Too many wraps), parallels can yield some awesome vapour - more surface area heated on juice = more vapour. One of my favourites was clouding up the local B&M vape shop with a 28 gauge coil at 0.40 parallel build and it freaked some guys out cause the vape was also cool.
MOST IMPORTANT:
5) Read up on battery safety. Read up on battery safety. Read up on battery safety. Read up on battery safety.
6) Read up on ohms law and coil building. Read up on ohms law and coil building. Read up on ohms law and coil building. Read up on ohms law and coil building.


Not a pretty build, however she clouds fairly well. The wick is the big key, and probably the most overlooked part. Fluffy rayon or cotton, tucked gently underneath and leaving air flow around the coils. There's a ton of youtube videos to help you out, and it DOES take some experimenting.

 

[sketchness]

Looks rough. I have had more than a few builds turn out like that. The coil on the right in the picture needs to be fixed with some tweezers and the other looks like it could be compressed a little. The efest is not a great battery for a mech but at .6 is safe. I usually leave the front of my coils open to the airflow you have some wicking issues going on therefor sure.

Don'tget discouraged your first build is suppose to suck. My first 20 builds were pretty lame. and premade coils? I have never used them. and are you sure of the ohms? or are you going by what it said they were on the package?

 

[deach]

If that's a smoktech magneto make sure all the threads are clean. Take the thing apart and clean out all the threads, both inner and outer, including the locking. I know mine used to get gunked up and would seem to effect it. The rest has been addressed. Also, not that I'm knocking the magneto but, I can tell you from experience mine hasn't been used in a long time since I got a different mod. I couldn't believe the difference with the same atty on it. Good luck.

 

[jameswouldgo]

A lot of information to ingest. I checked the ohms by using my vamo, I think its accurate. I might fool around and try to make some parallels and see what happens. At the moment I am just tinkering with these toys since I am new to the RBA/RDA build world. Yup it's a smoktech I got it about a week ago so I hope it won't be building up gunk yet. Imma check out more youtube vids and learn some techniques to properly build these things. Appreciate the help guys!

 

[drunkenbatman]

I'd add (I may be add-adding, but if so I missed it) to pay attention to your airflow. If you notice in neo's there's room for the air to come up, hit the coil and go around it and carry the vapor up with it. It's hard for me to tell by your pic, but it looks like you might have cotton squished in on the sides and near-under.

 

[pheonixxx1987]

Less cotton. More air. More surface area. (If using kanthal my go to is 24g parallel, macro, duels) *watch your ohms, is easy to get into the danger zone with parallel builds* also I'd recommend looking up "rip trippers" on YouTube. He's a little insane but knows he's stuff.


Also, if your just looking for clouds I'd strongly suggest buying either a dark horse rda or (my personal favorite ) the mutation x v2.

 

[deach]

With the magneto they come with "gunk" from the factory it seems. I know even new when I wiped my threads down, all kinds of "black stuff" (probably oils of some kind) came off. Some people apply Noalox on the threads. (or some substitute there of) and claim that helps.

 

[jameswouldgo]

Thanks for the help guys, tons of new stuff to learn here. I created a parallel coil build for my tugboat and it came out alright. It read at .2ohms on my vamo. One coil does heat up faster than the other though, maybe to much wraps? I wrapped 5 times with 28g so it came out to 10. It does look like crap but the vapor production satisfies me. I tried to put less cotton but I believe that I still have put to much. Though it can be way better I am just happy that I built something a bit better. Step by step ill just keep on trying. Btw I order some goodies a Mutation v2, a Panzer clone, Stringray clone and a Orchid V4.

 

[Ryedan]

Thanks for the help guys, tons of new stuff to learn here. I created a parallel coil build for my tugboat and it came out alright. It read at .2ohms on my vamo. One coil does heat up faster than the other though, maybe to much wraps? I wrapped 5 times with 28g so it came out to 10. It does look like crap but the vapor production satisfies me. I tried to put less cotton but I believe that I still have put to much. Though it can be way better I am just happy that I built something a bit better. Step by step ill just keep on trying. Btw I order some goodies a Mutation v2, a Panzer clone, Stringray clone and a Orchid V4.

You've got some really good advice here already James. I think you missed a couple of things though.

From Neolithium's post #5, see items 3, 5 & 6.

"3) You have good batteries, the efest 2500's are 20amp drain and good down to 0.23ohm with a safety factor."

You're at 0.2 ohms now which is slightly over the 20 amps max your battery will do safely at 4.2V. If your measurement is off a bit and the resistance is really 0.15 ohms you're drawing 28 amps which is way over 20A.

Which kinda leads us into the next part;

"MOST IMPORTANT:
5) Read up on battery safety. Read up on battery safety. Read up on battery safety..
6) Read up on ohms law and coil building. Read up on ohms law and coil building. Read up on ohms law and coil building."

IMO you're moving a bit too fast and taking risks without knowing it. You're also not learning how to maximize performance at a reasonable battery amp draw before moving on. I understand you are stoked to get on with it, but clouds are not all about the lowest resistance. You can build a sub-standard 0.2 ohm setup and get less performance than a guy with a good 0.5 ohm setup gets and he's doing it safely.

Hope this helps a bit

 

[edyle]

Thanks for the help guys, tons of new stuff to learn here. I created a parallel coil build for my tugboat and it came out alright. It read at .2ohms on my vamo. One coil does heat up faster than the other though, maybe to much wraps? I wrapped 5 times with 28g so it came out to 10. It does look like crap but the vapor production satisfies me. I tried to put less cotton but I believe that I still have put to much. Though it can be way better I am just happy that I built something a bit better. Step by step ill just keep on trying. Btw I order some goodies a Mutation v2, a Panzer clone, Stringray clone and a Orchid V4.

You're gone overboard.