Not Gonna Buy Any More Premixed E-juice. EVER.

[jakerock]

sorry, yes flavors. I have read some are stronger than others. For example, people say PA flavors are generally stronger. I would assume I have to adjust for that.

Some other good new DIY threads starting up. 'Str8V8ping' posted this sensible technique for dealing with flavor strength:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...termining-flavor-percentages.html#post5311284


Here are the other "DIY Master Technique" threads:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...echniques-determining-flavor-percentages.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ques-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/268758-diy-master-techniques-steeping.html



P.S. The troops are assembling here. I have PG, VG, Seedmans, and am waiting on a nicjuice, flavors, bottles and measuring implements. Encouraged by all the successes in this thread and even the failures! Looking forward to this bigtime. Thanks all.

 

[Keekers]

So many posts to read through 8-o

I hope I don't repost but geez...thanks Mudflap for making such a good point...I have spent SO much money on trying out all the stupid sampler packs to find I don't like 4 out of the 5 juices. I feel like I'm spending more money then when I used to smoke by trying out all these sampler packs.

I haven't started the DIY method yet, that's a whole new ballgame to me but at least I have a vendor I know is usually always consistent in their USA juices and the 30-50% off coupons that come (30ml for $9 bucks) is a steal.

I'm sure I'll eventually spend 3 hours reading a post about the DIY method....

 

[JC Okie]

I found that the biggest obstacle of DIY was just fear of the unknown. It just (at first) seemed like something that would be complicated. I mentally had it way up there with building my own mod. (Actually, even that has become demystified to me after this long....but I refuse to buy a soldering iron... ) Once I started DIYing, I saw the logic behind it all and it's so simple that I figured I was doing it wrong for a long time. BUT....I liked the juice and it gave me the nic I needed, so I figured what the heck. You can make it as complicated as you want....or as simple.

I premix my nic juice with some PG and some VG (more VG than PG) to the nic level I'm vaping at the moment in a plastic bottle used for catsup/mustard that I got for cheap at Walmart. I'm not sure how much it holds, but I mix about 240ml at a time. Then I bought a bunch of flavors I thought I would like from various places. I usually mix 10ml on the first batch of a flavor, and I use 10% flavor with 90% of my premix. I adjust the flavor while I'm vaping the 10ml bottle, then make 30 or 60ml of the juice if I like it, and I'm good to go. I have simple tastes and actually prefer one or two-flavor juices. I also NEVER vape tobacco flavored juices (which I'm sure would be way more complicated to make.)

I started buying in bulk almost immediately, and I can make 30ml of juice for around a dollar. I buy VG in 16oz. bottles, I buy PG by the gallon, and I get my nic juice 500ml at a time when it's on sale. I reuse my bottles, and the biggest expense turns out to be the flavoring. I'll never buy juice again, and haven't for over a year now. Actually, I got a whole bunch of those 39 cent samples back a few months ago from...??? (can't remember...they weren't very good) because I wanted the 6ml bottles to clean out and use. That was cheap for bottles....

I used a simple calculator at first, but now I just have my percentages down and I pretty much play it by ear. To me it's totally fun and easy and cheap. Could never justify buying juice ever again.

I used to get 2-3 packages every single week buying everything new I read about. Once I got my hardware down (REOs and HH 357s) the only things left to play with are drip tips and flavors.

 

[Chasbo]

I find it to be a diversion from other obsessions. I have mods for every occasion, including backups and backups for backups. Enough atties and cartos, and related gear, to last me (a) year(s).

DYI juice is the next logical venture to explore.

 

[davelog]

So I just got my 'feeler' order in from Wizard Labs, and I must say I'm initially very impressed. I haven't made anything with the nic or flavors that I ordered yet, so that'll be a different report, but their care in packaging and shipping is exceptional - the nic base was in a tamper-proof sealed jar with a clear lot number, wrapped in plastic, surrounded by small-bubble wrap, surrounded by large-bubble wrap. The 3 vials of flavoring I ordered were in a ziplock, surrounded by small-bubble wrap, surrounded by large-bubble wrap. All wraps were heat-sealed instead of taped, and they even tossed in a couple of pipettes and a sample of their banana flavor for good measure.

Well done, Wizard Labs. If the quality of your product is as impressive as the packaging, you'll be getting a lot more of my money.

 

[Della Cirque]

Some other good new DIY threads starting up. 'Str8V8ping' posted this sensible technique for dealing with flavor strength:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...termining-flavor-percentages.html#post5311284
P.S. The troops are assembling here. I have PG, VG, Seedmans, and am waiting on a nicjuice, flavors, bottles and measuring implements. Encouraged by all the successes in this thread and even the failures! Looking forward to this bigtime. Thanks all.

I've taken quite a few notes from str8v8ping....he hasn't steered me wrong yet!

 

[canoeist]

I have just been using the 20 drops base to 1 drop flavoring to test some new flavors. Worked pretty good. Blew the atty out after testing a flavor, then blew vg thru it and vaped the vg to see if flavor was about gone, then tested the next flavor the same way.

 

[the ob]

Mudflap and everyone else,
I want to thank you Mudflap for the post that finally encouraged me to try this.
I want to thank everyone else for the support and patience in answering my questions. You have no idea what can of worms you have opened though. I am slow to learn and you will probably be answering questions for the next two years, and simple ones

I did it though. Ordered a ton of flavors from four different people. Some we crossovers so I could really see which company I liked best.

I have everything I need coming. You will all know when I get it, because that is when the questions will really start

Thanks again everyone!

 

[Turnip]

Some other good new DIY threads starting up. 'Str8V8ping' posted this sensible technique for dealing with flavor strength:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...termining-flavor-percentages.html#post5311284


Here are the other "DIY Master Technique" threads:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...echniques-determining-flavor-percentages.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ques-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/268758-diy-master-techniques-steeping.html



P.S. The troops are assembling here. I have PG, VG, Seedmans, and am waiting on a nicjuice, flavors, bottles and measuring implements. Encouraged by all the successes in this thread and even the failures! Looking forward to this bigtime. Thanks all.

Thank you so much for posting those links Jakerock, such good info there...
Cheers,

PS- Been meaning to say big thank you to Mudflap for starting this great thread!

 

[canoeist]

Mudflap and everyone else,
I want to thank you Mudflap for the post that finally encouraged me to try this.
I want to thank everyone else for the support and patience in answering my questions. You have no idea what can of worms you have opened though. I am slow to learn and you will probably be answering questions for the next two years, and simple ones

I did it though. Ordered a ton of flavors from four different people. Some we crossovers so I could really see which company I liked best.

I have everything I need coming. You will all know when I get it, because that is when the questions will really start

Thanks again everyone!

Good luck! We will help all we can. I came up with a very easy way to test flavors today without wasting a lot of juice!

 

[the ob]

Good luck! We will help all we can. I came up with a very easy way to test flavors today without wasting a lot of juice!

What is it?

 

[tmcase]

Good luck! We will help all we can. I came up with a very easy way to test flavors today without wasting a lot of juice!

Are you going to keep it a secret?

 

[Dougers]

Is there a site or area on the forum where a lot of juice recipes are posted? Recipes with reviews would be ideal! If not, anyone want to take on this as a project?

 

[tmcase]

Is there a site or area on the forum where a lot of juice recipes are posted? Recipes with reviews would be ideal! If not, anyone want to take on this as a project?

There's a Reomods sticky that has juice recipes.

And there is this site but it's not on the forum.

E-Liquid Recipe Book

Also here for reviews. E-Liquid Reviews

 

[washvap]

Anyone know of a vendor that sells real cheap nic? Remember it was mentioned in a thread before but, I can't seem to find it.

 

[kenetix]

Anyone know of a vendor that sells real cheap nic? Remember it was mentioned in a thread before but, I can't seem to find it.

Wizard Labs

 

[fratlife]

I agree with this post for the most part.

Though i think there are some good vendors out there. In my opinion bluemist would be one of them. They are very reasonable with prices on premixxed, not to mention they sell the exact flavoring they use in their premixed juice so you can diy.

 

[tmcase]

Anyone know of a vendor that sells real cheap nic? Remember it was mentioned in a thread before but, I can't seem to find it.

Wizard Labs and I think MyFreedomSmokes.

 

[washvap]

Wizard Labs

Wizard Labs and I think MyFreedomSmokes.

Thanks you two, I really appreciate the help.

 

[jfresh]

I completely empathize with your sentiment. At the same time, I've really looked into this and it may be a bit of an overstatement to call the current market overpriced. With everything included, I determined that I could produce (and sell) commercial e-liquid for a 8.04 per 30ml basic cost...just under the established 100% retail markup...this takes into account alot of things that go along with running a commercial e-liquid business...like for example an effective 9% cc processing fee (7.95% + gateway fees + costly setup fees + .25 per charge, etc) and this is because e-cigs (and hence e-liquid) is considered the "high risk of the high risk" industry. Then there is website hosting, and a ton of smaller expenses you would never think of that all add up. Of course you can make it yourself for much, much, less (I DIY myself, and I commend your intelligent choice) but could you SELL it for much, much less? Not really. I feel like it's a pretty good overall industy, and one that the long-time vaper with common sense (and time and the inclination to DIY) is almost certainly going to abandon at some point...but I don't think anyone is inflating the pricing unduly.