When you get a pure VG liquid make sure that the supplier isn't using PG based flavorings either... some try to sneak this one by you. It sounds as though it's a serious PG allergy without some of the more nasty effects.
not sure what's going on, but its not good.
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If it's making you feel even slightly uneasy, let alone ill - STOP! Just leave it alone. No point in hurting yourself. tobacco isn't the answer,either. Just go cold turkey for two weeks - it will be uncomfortable but you will have gone a long way towards getting the monkey off of your back. Good luck!
ECOpure is fine - no PG - also little flavor choice.
JC no longer makes or sells VG e-liquid. They have a "reduced PG" liquid now. Do Not Try to Vape It. It has way too much PG for someone who is sensitive to PG.
Vermont Vapors has a VG base, but some of their flavors have PG and some do not. The tobacco based flavors (including Vanilla and Maple) do not have any VG. Neither do the coffee, chocolate, or menthol. I think all the rest do (bummer for me since I don't like tobacco flavors in ecigs and wanted their other flavors). You really do need to be careful about whether flavorings have PG and most Web sites don't tell you this.
I email and ask them. I figure if enough of us ask, they may get tired and just post it on their site.
I am not a doctor either; however, I think you should try a pure (no PG) VG liquid and see if that helps. Good luck.
I forgot to say that we now have a social group for people who only vape VG so we can share information and support each other (and I don't know what else - maybe become friends). To get an invite to join, just PM booboo.
It's just starting so we don't have exactly tons of content yet, but we are getting lots of members so we have lots of collective VG only knowledge. If any of you are not members and vape only VG, please come and join us.
We want to create one place with all of the VG info together so it is easier for people with PG sensitivity to learn what they need to know to switch to VG without doing tons of research.
It's just starting so we don't have exactly tons of content yet, but we are getting lots of members so we have lots of collective VG only knowledge. If any of you are not members and vape only VG, please come and join us.
We want to create one place with all of the VG info together so it is easier for people with PG sensitivity to learn what they need to know to switch to VG without doing tons of research.
It could be an allergic reaction to PG. Could also be from withdrawal. But it sure sounds like it could be too much nic. I tried 36mg from TW and nearly passed out before I could go lay down, very nauseated. I was using 24 mg/ml juice then, but was a little flighty (withdrawal). I didn't do that again!
So to cover the first two possibilities, try to switch to a Good VG, with a comparable nic density to what you were using. ECOpure is a good one, get one with the nic you're using, get one the same flavor with 0 nic.
If your problem still happens, then cut down the nic by mixing in some 0, by a fourth, or a third. ? If that doesn't work, there really aren't any good choices except to stop entirely.
So to cover the first two possibilities, try to switch to a Good VG, with a comparable nic density to what you were using. ECOpure is a good one, get one with the nic you're using, get one the same flavor with 0 nic.
If your problem still happens, then cut down the nic by mixing in some 0, by a fourth, or a third. ? If that doesn't work, there really aren't any good choices except to stop entirely.
You're so smart Kate.
I went through some cold sweats during the first week - weird dreams, overall feverish and thought perhaps it was the PG.... just about the time I was going to do something it went away. However, the dizziness and disorientation isn't good and I've seen that in some safety sheet somewhere.... so it's best to be precautious of course, but I think some initial reactions that are interpretted as 'allergy' are withdrawal instead. My friend was sleeping a lot more than normal until he went to a higher nic juice
Ha! I started out dilerious!....but, I went up to 24mg nic within a week or so, I really didn't know what was in the included carts. It wasn't really high enough. 24mg suited just fine. But by then has also learned how to puff properly, all that.
My withdrawal kind of presented itself as being extremely hungry!! I really have to watch that too, I'm too short to be fluffier! A nervous energy, certainly not tired. It took 3 or 4 weeks until I felt really calmer, then could sleep like a baby. Good sleep. It's kind of a hard call though, everyone is different, and depends on how they puffed a cigarette, some take quick little nervous puffs, some inhale all the way to their toes. That was me, so I def needed a little more nic to get comfortable. But usually very tired, head fogginess and disorientation = over use. Nicotine is a depressant. One usually gets wired without their fix. Cranky even! So I guess I'd better finish my Med School before I give out advice, right! Do they allow vaping??
My withdrawal kind of presented itself as being extremely hungry!! I really have to watch that too, I'm too short to be fluffier! A nervous energy, certainly not tired. It took 3 or 4 weeks until I felt really calmer, then could sleep like a baby. Good sleep. It's kind of a hard call though, everyone is different, and depends on how they puffed a cigarette, some take quick little nervous puffs, some inhale all the way to their toes. That was me, so I def needed a little more nic to get comfortable. But usually very tired, head fogginess and disorientation = over use. Nicotine is a depressant. One usually gets wired without their fix. Cranky even! So I guess I'd better finish my Med School before I give out advice, right! Do they allow vaping??
You also might consider calling one of the custom juicers. Drew is a great guy and I am sure he could make a recommendation, or you might even take a look at some of his 'lung juices'. He actually makes some 'sleepy time' stoofs for people looking for the reactions you are having, so I am sure there are other things for the opposite end of the spectrum.
Just a thought. I know I've tried 555 from several places and his is by far the best to my taste anyway.
Oh yeah doh... his company is nHaler.
Take care,
- Hap
Just a thought. I know I've tried 555 from several places and his is by far the best to my taste anyway.
Oh yeah doh... his company is nHaler.
Take care,
- Hap
Interesting.... and you made me look something up....pretty sure nicotine was a stimulant and it is, but:
Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nicotine's mood-altering effects are different by report: in particular it is both a stimulant and a relaxant. First causing a release of glucose from the liver and epinephrine (adrenaline) from the adrenal medulla, it causes stimulation. Users report feelings of relaxation, sharpness, calmness, and alertness. By reducing the appetite and raising the metabolism, some smokers may lose weight as a consequence.
[if vapers are gaining weight, it is likely they aren't getting the nicotine level they had with cigarettes, because it is the nicotine that indirectly reduced the appetite]
...and:
Research suggests that, when smokers wish to achieve a stimulating effect, they take short quick puffs, which produce a low level of blood nicotine. This stimulates nerve transmission. When they wish to relax, they take deep puffs, which produce a high level of blood nicotine, which depresses the passage of nerve impulses, producing a mild sedative effect.
flashpoint, please feel free to ignore that advice. Many of us here feel differently and sympathize with your dilemna. Please try the suggestions others have posted in this thread. Please also know that if they don't work (but I'm optomistic, I'm hopeful that some will!) and you have so smoke, well that's the way it is. BTW, if that's the way it turns out for you, you might want to check out "snus".
e-pipeman: I think that your advice is plain silly. I think that most of us here, probably including flashpoint knowing the difficult degree of his/her attempt to switch to e-cigs, would not even be here if a mere two weeks in hell would get us a long way towards getting this monkey off our backs.
The thing that I would stress is that, if you believe that vaping is adversely affecting your health, you should not continue to do it. Obviously smoking is a complex addictive process and no-one is trying to minimise the difficulty of giving up. After two weeks of not smoking, however, you will not only be completely free of nicotine in the bloodstream but also of many of the toxins that come from tobacco smoke. It is a very good thing to try but of course will not work for everyone. No-one is saying this is an easy thing to do.
Kent C Nicotine has the property to create "euphoria", by attaching to neuron receptors in your brain (that's where addiction comes in). It also can create high blood pressure by contracting or constricting blood vessels. That's the "stimulus" part of nicotine. That's why so many people develop highly visible capillaries in your face and neck. Those tiny vessels can close almost completely and deep purple (un-oxygenated) blood gets trapped. I had very dark circles under my eyes always, that's what causes that, and kind of a "mask" across my cheeks. Those are nearly cleared up now. Sometimes taking extra Niacin (vitamin B3) helps to open the capillaries, even build new ones, even the ones in our lungs. (Yes, that's also what can give the lung of a smoker a black look, just like your undereye area, that black isn't all tar, it's capillaries with trapped blood, like a bruise almost. This is why we loose lung function, lung capacity severely limited, plus a build-up of tar on top of that???? GROSS!) During withdrawal, all of these toxins that are stagnated in our tissues organs and cirulatory system are being slowly poured into the blood stream, highly acidic usually, that's what is causing body aches, sleepiness, nausea, woozie feeling, even ........, and just a general sluggishness until this stuff all gets metabolised out through the kidneys and bowels. That's why it's so important to be using anti-oxidents, green tea, cranberry juice,and lots of fresh fruit and veggies for extra fiber, etc., and drinking copious amounts of water to help the body detox. None of us drink enough H2O!!
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"It also can create high blood pressure by contracting or constricting blood vessels. That's the "stimulus" part of nicotine."
There's more to the stimulus part than that but yeah, that too. Thanks.
Did you mean to say Vermont Vapor flavors listed above DO NOT have PG? That would be awesome.
I didn't end up using the ecig all weekend, except to test straight VG - fine. And a little JC Tennessee Cured cut 50% with VG - also fine. I think through some careful process of elimination I should be able to keep esmoking.
Had to buy a pack this weekend. $10! That cannot continue!
Keep doing what your doing. The VG and distilled water--or whatever. At night, or when you have no need for brain power, start adding flavors and nic strength and find out just what is causing your problem.
That's what I had to do with my son years ago when he developed allergies.
That's what I had to do with my son years ago when he developed allergies.
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