Not that it happened, but how it happened
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There is this little emoticon that really works well :censored: =
I have honestly never noticed that one after all this time.
You are right about pulling her aside & talking to her! But in this day & age talking to an employee of the opposite sex should never be done 1 on 1! Ideally there should be an unbiased (HR would be perfect) 3rd party in the room to protect you both! Most times these days UNFORTUNATELY a 1 on1 conversation is a problem waiting to happen! Especially if the other person has stated a problem with you in writing! JMHO from experience!
If you can't smoke somewhere then you should be able to realise that vaping in front of anyone is not a good idea and will be frowned on sorry but while the woman may not be a pleasant person she was not at fault in this. I've known many people who cannot handle direct confrontation and use other means some may not like it or agree with it but it's a right people have to handle situations in a way they can handle. Also if this woman is as large as the OP implys she's likely been the object of office talk and may well be sensitive. Yes there is fault on her side for the tone of the email but the bulk lies with the op who also weakens his position further with his belief that vaping is "100% safe" there is zero evidence to back that claim and I find it as bad as the antz attitude of exaggerating the perils of vaping.
Was I talking about 2nd hand vapour that has actually been proven to have no ill health effects no I was talking about us personally vaping is not able to be said to be 100% safe and no reputable scientist not even Dr f has even suggested that.
If you are not talking about secondhand vapor I fail to see the point of your comment.
Nothing is 100% safe.
Id just let it go and let that be the end of it. If another conference call of that type happens in the future she will be taking that call from her cubicle. Honestly, being that she is in a different department she really has no business stepping foot in your office again so there should not be any further complaints.
Classic passive/aggressive. (A master knows it when he sees it.
)Discussion is futile.
Argument is futile.
Resentment is futile.
The surest form of retaliation is to do nothing.
Lesson learned. Let it go. Move on. Be happy.
Good rant Kabooma
and I hope you feel better for it Your story reminded me of an experience I had at work. Totally different situation, but I think the outcome was somewhat similar.
I was walking to the lunchroom when a woman exited a washroom in front of me. The bottom of her skirt had got caught up and one leg was visible quite high. I made a quick decision and quietly suggested she check her skirt as I passed her. What made me decide to do that was the thought that if it were me I would appreciate being told before I got to what would be a very busy lunch room. I did it with no humor and no judgement.
After that every time we met she almost scowled at me
The way I see it is some people are just not as emotionally mature as others and there's nothing anyone but them can do about it. You handled your situation well
Same could be said for farting, but I doubt you would want to sit in a closed room with someone passing gas every 20 seconds for a half hour.
And that's a straw man's argument anyways. There's zero credible evidence that second hand vapor is 100% safe for everyone as well. A lack of evidence does not mean it's safe, it just means that the whole subject hasn't been studied closely enough for a long enough period with a large enough sample group to draw any definitive conclusions one way or the other. But it stands to reason that if there are people who vape that have bad reactions to ingredients like PG then surely there are people who don't vape that would have bad reactions from breathing second hand PG.
If we're going to be completely factual then it's best to say that at best second hand vapor is a barely studied unknown.
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100% safety cannot be proven for anything.
It's an unscientific demand to spread uncertainty of the safety of vaping.
https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&sour...ggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNGJx1efAw8Yskc5TmJlNOpyl09tYw
It's an unscientific demand to spread uncertainty of the safety of vaping.
https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&sour...ggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNGJx1efAw8Yskc5TmJlNOpyl09tYw
This is not directed to anyone in particular, just the "safe" issue in general. OP did say he personally believes it's safe, he didn't say he knows. He's entitled to his belief.
Just as I believe it is safe. 100% safe? That is the unknown. Do I believe it will not harm my loved ones that I vape around? I Absolutely believe that there is no harm to them.
If there is 5% of harm coming from the vapor, that is pretty much less than the harm coming from the air that we breathe outside. Especially with all the pollen floating around right now.
I hold the same beliefs Robin, and I'm holding to those beliefs until concrete info proves my beliefs are wrong.
You're entitled to your beliefs, However, do you also believe you have the right to force your beliefs on others against their will?
I have another set of beliefs. I believe that if you want respect from others you have to show others respect. Any time you vape around others without giving them a choice in the matter you are failing to show them respect, at which point you should expect them to not show you respect. If you want them to respect your right to vape then you need to demonstrate the fact that you respect their right not to be exposed to it against their will.
No one ever earned respect by forcing their beliefs on others. More often than not that attitude is counterproductive, resulting in you losing your rights or privileges to act as you believe you should be able to. The fastest way to get vaping banned is by exposing others to your vaping against their will.
I have been off work for 3 months because of surgery, and in that time I quit smoking. I returned 2 weeks ago and bought an innokin T18 for "stealth" vaping in my office. I soon realized that first of all, it still blows a fairly big cloud, and second, my butter finger ejuice has a strong smell to it. Most of my ejuice has strong scents. I took a couple vapes in my office and immediately was waving my arms frantically to get rid of the vapor clouds lol. I decided that because I always leave my door open and people are in and out talking to me, that vaping there wasn't appropriate. I now go outside like I had to do when I was smoking. I work at a retirement home and yesterday I had to do an orientation with an elderly couple, and the first thing she said to me when I walked into her room, was "do you smoke, because I smell smoke." It's not just the cloud in someone's face, some people can not tolerate the scent that some ejuice gives off. I can even smell it on my clothes when I'm not vaping. I could use an unflavoured, I suppose, but I will just continue to go outside to avoid any problems. I still hide my vaping from the residents because they are all in their 80s and 90s and wouldn't understand the difference anyways.
Completely Average, it's impossible to know beforehand if ones beliefs will offend another. Without speaking up first the OP had no way of knowing he was "forcing his beliefs" upon her. I refuse to live my life constantly having to guess at whether or not what I'm doing/saying is going to offend someone when what I'm doing/saying is perfectly ok with some people but not others.
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