Now, a message from fools in the Jefferson County (KY) school system

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Concerning the article in the OP: I dont like this because while technically true, they dont give the full story to children.

They state users of Electronic Cigarettes are 4 times more likely to smoke cigarettes... which is probably more than true, but only because users of Electronic Cigarettes are using it as a means to quit or reduce smoking..

So the statement while likely true, doesn't give you an accurate depiction of the why that would be, and when the why is pointed out, it's a far less sinister statement.

The same as when they say a juul Pod contains the same amount of nicotine as is found in a pack of cigarettes..

I'm sure that is also technically true (although I thought it was the equivalent of 1-1/2 to 2 packs) but they avoid telling kids that the intention is to be the equivalent of a pack or two - which makes it a days worth of NRT for a heavy smoker trying to quit smoking..

They are giving an incomplete picture, and by doing so ending up making smoking look more innocuous when it's far more dangerous..

That is the danger here. Sure, I'm all for discouraging the use of vaping in kids who never smoked, but don't make smoking look like the safer alternative..
 
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In his 1786 piece Thoughts Upon the Mode of Education Proper in a Republic, (Benjamin) Rush argued that
“Our schools of learning, by producing one general and uniform system of education, will render the mass of the people more homogeneous and thereby fit them more easily for uniform and peaceable government.”
Like many of the great education minds of the late eighteenth century, Rush advocated a strict and rigid system of schooling that would forcibly mold America’s youth into honest and productive citizens:
In the education of youth, let the authority of our masters be as absolute as possible...
...By this mode of education, we prepare our youth for the subordination of laws and thereby qualify them for becoming good citizens of the republic.
I am satisfied that the most useful citizens have been formed from those youth who have never known or felt their own wills till they were one and twenty years of age.”

Same stuff...Different century.
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Patterns in history repeat themselves.
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All thou kids vaping insteed of smoking is a good thing! The nic content in the Juul pods is out of line! I smoked my whole life & started vaping @ 18 mg. Subjecting teenagers to 50mg nic strength is not rite, even for some ex smoker trying to Quit! It's too high!
 

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Well, you learn something new every day. I had no idea glycol was a serious medical issue.

There is no water in the vape products, only harmful chemicals that cause serious medical issues, including glycol.
“It will burn your lungs,” said Hebner.

I don't have an issue with teaching kids about dangers of smoking or vaping. In fact, I believe it should be taught.

I do have issues with misinforming kids about either. Even today, with as much as we know about smoking, there's a lot of misinformation out there. With vaping, there's obviously far more misinformation than information.
 
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I missed your post altogether..sorry about that..

Oh wow they are telling kids that vaping "burns" your lungs?

I'll have to read that through as I haven't done that yet..

I think as vapers we do need to do something about countering the teachings..
 

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I'm still waiting for someone to explain how vaping is a gateway to smoking when while vaping rates are getting higher, cigarette use continues to decline among teens and young adults. But why complicate the story with fact.


its easy... its like drinking water leads to drinking beer cuz no water is around and next thing... your droppin shots of Everclear yelling "Hey Bubba.. Watch this!!" as you run your 4 wheeler into a tree...
therefore drinking water leads to brain damage... :)
 

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Well, you learn something new every day. I had no idea glycol was a serious medical issue.

There is no water in the vape products, only harmful chemicals that cause serious medical issues, including glycol.
“It will burn your lungs,” said Hebner.

I don't have an issue with teaching kids about dangers of smoking or vaping. In fact, I believe it should be taught.

I do have issues with misinforming kids about either. Even today, with as much as we know about smoking, there's a lot of misinformation out there. With vaping, there's obviously far more misinformation than information.

the wifey has an inhaler ( for her bronchitus) and right there on the label it has glycol ( along with other chemicals that sound scary)... :shock:
she has yet to complain about "Burnt Lungs"...
 

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I'm still waiting for someone to explain how vaping is a gateway to smoking when while vaping rates are getting higher, cigarette use continues to decline among teens and young adults. But why complicate the story with fact.

One more time the "gateway" theory is shot to Hades.
 

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They state users of Electronic Cigarettes are 4 times more likely to smoke cigarettes... which is probably more than true, but only because users of Electronic Cigarettes are using it as a means to quit or reduce smoking..

It's a little murkier when it comes to youth since they're less likely to be smoking already. The most reasonable explanation I've heard for the statistics is this: Some kids tend to experiment, while others are less likely to. Many 'experimenters' try out both vaping and smoking. Some of them drop nicotine altogether after messing around with it for a bit, while some of the others end up vaping, smoking or dual-using in the longer term.

The 'vaping as a gateway to smoking' is still bollox. It's just that the kids who would have tried smoking historically now try vaping as well and may end up doing either (or neither). So yes, there is a link between vaping and smoking, but it's not causal. And if some of the youths who would have become smokers in my generation become vapers instead, that's still an improvement.
 
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