Schools telling kids that vaping is worse than smoking
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You need to know specifically who is telling them this, & if there was any literature involved, handouts, brochures, videos, etc. You can't be effective, & neither can anyone else, without that info. Sit the kids down & prepare to take notes right there in front of them. They'll realize that you are taking this very seriously. I'm a grandmother, too, I don't have a problem grilling the kids about who told them what, how, & when, or telling them the truth & making sure they understand it.
Excellent idea. I don't agree that shop owners would not be listened to, tho. Most of them are dedicated to helping smokers quit.
Not all kids have minds like a butterfly. Especially if they are addressed in the right way. Seriously & pointedly.
My grandson & his friends did the same thing. Just lost interest completely. He graduated HS a year early, with his basic college credits done, & immediately went into nursing school. He was in school nonstop untill he got his BS in nursing & went straight to work in the ER at a local hospital, & also works at an urgent care there. He is quick to correct & educate regarding vaping. I'm so proud of him!
You yourself are linking it to a color. The color is intended to attract notice. The color that attracts the most & strongest attention is red. Advertisers know this & practice it. Black & white alone do not attract notice, or attention, or involvement in the subject. It doesn't resemble propoganda to me & it's not intended to necessarily speak to the other side. It is meant to reveal & instruct those who are specifically not on either side but wish to be informed on the subject. In other words, it's not for sheeple. It's as an educational beginning point for those who think for themselves.
Yes. Teachers teaching their personal opinions is what got us where we are now. Kids aren't taught to question, or think for themselves & are actually punished for doing so.
The most important branch of study in the world might be Logic.
Especially the branch of Logic that deals with logical fallacies.
The world is currently shaped by logical fallacies.
Always has been really.
I guess that is why the marketing profession was invented.
So it's important to learn to see through that.
But if "feelings" are ever "deemed" by the government to be more important than Logic.
Well, honestly, God help us all.
But really, there will be no helping us then.
We're almost there.
I may have misunderstood but I thought this is what @kathi17 was referring to as the source of the problem. If it is, you can see just how one sided and designed to fit an agenda it is! She went on to say (in a later post) that this material, or at least Scholastics materials, are in nearly 90% of the school districts across the country.
In my opinion, whether or not this is the material in question in this specific case, it is a HUGE issue and one that needs to be addressed. Turning a blind eye to the programming of anti vaping opinion in the country's youth now will only create a nation of anti vaping zealots in the future. Scholastic should be made aware that we don't want our children and/or grand children to be taught WHAT to think, we want them to be taught HOW to think. Each individual should be allowed to form their own opinions and make their own EDUCATED decisions. Our children and/or grand children should NOT be programed with one sided propaganda to fit one groups agenda.
Here's a link to Scholastic's E-Cigarette curriculum page:
Scholastic.com - Search Results - Lesson: E-Cigarettes
Please note that this curriculum is not only for grades 7 - 12, it starts at the THIRD GRADE level! There is also a "Contact Us" link at the bottom of the page.
With all that is going on right now in regard to the FDA, the deeming and the anti vaping propaganda that has already spread far and wide, do we want to set ourselves up for future battles with our own children and grand children? I don't. If Scholastic is publishing this material, it stands to reason that this is NOT just a local issue, it's a national issue. I believe it's all of our responsibility to be vigilant ON EVERY FRONT.
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What I'm saying is that I would not give that flyer (in its current state) to a school official to educate them on vaping in a school system that doesn't know or understand the facts. Nor would I send it home with children as an administrator of a school system. I understand that was not the intended use of the flyer when it was created, but someone posted it in this thread as a suggestion.
If the thought entered my mind, I'm pretty sure it would enter the mind of many others (parents, school administrators, ect.) who are opposed to vaping due to lack of knowledge. When I said black and white, I meant the actual text of the study. I understand that a poster that is supposed to get someones attention probably should not be in black and white, but "marijuana green" is a very poor choice of color to be giving out at a school or to a school. Too many people still think that vaping and smoking are one in the same and I think that adds some fuel to the fire and has the potential to be misconstrued. Especially since we have so many people thinking that the vaping industry is marketing towards children with the wide variety of flavors that are available.
The message is great. The delivery via that exact flyer needs some work.
Uhhhh.... NO. But this isn't the forum for discussions regarding being raised by a divorced woman who qualifies for the Scarlet Letter and is a Wiccan. Maybe next time.
I just saw this thread and scanned all the comments for reference.
I hear blanket statements occasionally about ecigs and the only way to quiet those people down is with hard facts. "That thing has antifreeze in it" is one we used to hear. Yes, propylene glycol was put into antifreeze because it's safe and the previous chemical was killing animals who licked it off the pavement and died. PG is in your soft drinks as a de-foaming agent. It's in salad dressing, your toothpaste, your makeup, eyedrops, and hundred or more other things we eat, drink, and rub on our skins.
VG is also used as a thickener in hundreds of foods and dressings. Google it.
The flavorings are the same things that are in pies, cakes, and other tasty foods we eat.
Nicotine is the issue that should make us warn children to stay away from vaping. Nicotine isn't deadly, but it's probably not something that we want our children to consume or inhale.
If teachers want to talk about ecigs in a negative way, they could just just warn kids that they should wait until they can make an informed adult decision before trying vaping. After all, that's the reason that you have to be 18 to buy vaping products. Don't make it sound so terrible. Millions of people vape and they started vaping to get off the deadly cigarettes. Vaping is a good thing. Cigarettes are what should be talked down to school kids. Explain the facts. Don't treat something that saves lives as something that is deadly to health.
I hear blanket statements occasionally about ecigs and the only way to quiet those people down is with hard facts. "That thing has antifreeze in it" is one we used to hear. Yes, propylene glycol was put into antifreeze because it's safe and the previous chemical was killing animals who licked it off the pavement and died. PG is in your soft drinks as a de-foaming agent. It's in salad dressing, your toothpaste, your makeup, eyedrops, and hundred or more other things we eat, drink, and rub on our skins.
VG is also used as a thickener in hundreds of foods and dressings. Google it.
The flavorings are the same things that are in pies, cakes, and other tasty foods we eat.
Nicotine is the issue that should make us warn children to stay away from vaping. Nicotine isn't deadly, but it's probably not something that we want our children to consume or inhale.
If teachers want to talk about ecigs in a negative way, they could just just warn kids that they should wait until they can make an informed adult decision before trying vaping. After all, that's the reason that you have to be 18 to buy vaping products. Don't make it sound so terrible. Millions of people vape and they started vaping to get off the deadly cigarettes. Vaping is a good thing. Cigarettes are what should be talked down to school kids. Explain the facts. Don't treat something that saves lives as something that is deadly to health.
Well said, in general, DaveP. You lost me just a little bit when you said,
#1 Smoking tobacco kills millions of people every year.
#2 Vaping is an alternative and is at least 95% safer than smoking tobacco, even though some e-liquids contain varying amounts of nicotine.
#3 Neither is legal for purchase by anyone under the age of 18 and in some states, 21.
#4 (Grades 6 through 12) Include factual lists of the components of tobacco cigarettes (if enough paper is available, ha, ha) and e-liquids, medical reports and findings on both and a mandatory screening of the documentary, A Billion Lives. (The mandatory screening would do as much to open their eyes as to how the world REALLY works as it would to the tremendously reduced risk of vaping. Hopefully, the teachers eyes too!)
It's just that simple. It's also a subject that I personally do not feel is appropriate for third and forth graders. Let children that age be children. Teach them to read, write, do basic math. Let them begin to form an imagination and a sense of creativity through the arts. At this young age, our children CERTAINLY shouldn't be taught WHAT to think, but that is clearly the agenda.
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The point here is, in my opinion, that teachers should NOT be imposing THEIR OPINION, positive or negative, but instead, provide our children with the information that will allow them to form THEIR OWN educated opinion. When you say that nicotine is the issue that should make us warn children to stay away from vaping (again in my opinion) you are interjecting YOUR opinion. Sticking with the FACTS, cut and dried, as you yourself stated in your post is (IMO) the proper approach.
#1 Smoking tobacco kills millions of people every year.
#2 Vaping is an alternative and is at least 95% safer than smoking tobacco, even though some e-liquids contain varying amounts of nicotine.
#3 Neither is legal for purchase by anyone under the age of 18 and in some states, 21.
#4 (Grades 6 through 12) Include factual lists of the components of tobacco cigarettes (if enough paper is available, ha, ha) and e-liquids, medical reports and findings on both and a mandatory screening of the documentary, A Billion Lives. (The mandatory screening would do as much to open their eyes as to how the world REALLY works as it would to the tremendously reduced risk of vaping. Hopefully, the teachers eyes too!)
It's just that simple. It's also a subject that I personally do not feel is appropriate for third and forth graders. Let children that age be children. Teach them to read, write, do basic math. Let them begin to form an imagination and a sense of creativity through the arts. At this young age, our children CERTAINLY shouldn't be taught WHAT to think, but that is clearly the agenda.
Vapers Unite!
Von Vape In an effort to calm the "Color of the poster/flyer" issue, I manipulated the colors. It is sized to 8.5" x 11.0" and anyone interested is welcome to "poach it".
Hope this is helpful. I know @Debadoo is going to LOVE the purple at the bottom!
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Hope this is helpful. I know @Debadoo is going to LOVE the purple at the bottom!
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