now there going after bottled water

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renderwerks

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Take Your favorite bottled water and freeze it solid, then thaw it out. shake it up and You will see some white stuff floating in it. WTF is that stuff?

It may be (previously) dissolved solids - or deposits flaking off the RO membrane. RO membranes can develop a scale on them if not properly maintained or replaced at the proper interval.

I'm a senior mechanical designer and previously worked for a few years in the bottled water industry. I designed automated plants that prepared bottled water.

A typical system would send the source water through several stages of mechanical filtration (to remove particulate matter and such), then it would be ran through a RO (reverse osmosis) device; this would produce water that is nearly distilled. Additionally, the water is disinfected through the use of exposure (bubbling in a contact tank) to ozone gas, and also it would pass through a chamber that exposed it to strong UV light.

In the final stage before bottling, many customers would have "dosing" tanks that would re-introduce minerals (dissolved solids) in the water to give it a "good" taste.

This process is unregulated, and I can understand concern with not knowing what is placed back into the water when bottled.

During the bottling process, the filling device was isolated from the rest of the machine, and the area it was in was flooded with ozone to produce a near sterile environment for transfer of the water into the final containers.

I agree, the main problem is all the "throw away" bottles. Yes, they can make containers from biodegradable materials, but, they're more expensive.
 

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It may be (previously) dissolved solids - or deposits flaking off the RO membrane. RO membranes can develop a scale on them if not properly maintained or replaced at the proper interval.

I'm a senior mechanical designer and previously worked for a few years in the bottled water industry. I designed automated plants that prepared bottled water.

A typical system would send the source water through several stages of mechanical filtration (to remove particulate matter and such), then it would be ran through a RO (reverse osmosis) device; this would produce water that is nearly distilled. Additionally, the water is disinfected through the use of exposure (bubbling in a contact tank) to ozone gas, and also it would pass through a chamber that exposed it to strong UV light.

In the final stage before bottling, many customers would have "dosing" tanks that would re-introduce minerals (dissolved solids) in the water to give it a "good" taste.

This process is unregulated, and I can understand concern with not knowing what is placed back into the water when bottled.

During the bottling process, the filling device was isolated from the rest of the machine, and the area it was in was flooded with ozone to produce a near sterile environment for transfer of the water into the final containers.

I agree, the main problem is all the "throw away" bottles. Yes, they can make containers from biodegradable materials, but, they're more expensive.
that was very good information I had no idea it went through that much cleaning. But I will say hemp is actually very cheap and can make very strong plastics from it that are biodegradable. It just may take a couple of years to do so. but not very long compared to normal plastics.
 

renderwerks

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hemp is actually very cheap

Well, it was back in the 70's... ;)

Seriously; many, many things can be made from hemp and hemp oil (fuel). Plus, the genus has a extremely high metabolism. It grows quickly, and exchanges lots of CO2 for O2. It could save the world, and our farmers...
 

VelvetVisions

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Grim, I actually think it's pretty cool to have the younger generation in here using PVs. I would much rather see you doing that than analogs and lots of people your age still don't look past tomorrow to see how these things will impact them. I would love my kids to switch, my Daughter tried one from Njoy and didn't like it, she now has a Blu ordered. I don't know much about that one and I've told her of all of mine, but I think the price point got her. I'm trying to get my son to switch, but the upkeep turns him off I think.

Anyway, good for you... it's awesome to see those in their 20's hanging out in here. :)
 

NekoGurrl

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I had bottled water delivered for years, the big 5 gallon jugs. Now I avoid both tap and bottled water. I collect my own spring water from a natural spring out in central Wisconsin once a month. One of the reasons I moved out of the city was to avoid the treated water there, chlorine higher than a swimming pool, fluoride (don't get me started).

I have well water now where I live, however it's very hard, and not fit to drink.

After finding the spring in Rock Springs, it's all I drink unless I'm out where I can not bring my own water.
 
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