Now we apparently all have brain disorders!?!

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GIMike

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If that were true, then everybody would have a disorder, not just us ex-smokers. I'm pretty sure you'll be hardpressed to find somebody who is addicted to absolutely nothing, be it social networking like ECF or other places (crap, those of us who come here every day are doubly disordered), computer games, eating, drinking, exercise, etc.
 

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Actually, this could be viewed as a positive thing. As long as they consider it a "behavioral" disorder, the problem is handled as a moral issue. Those who can't quit are viewed as being too weak to quit. Too addicted. This gets them off the hook. It's easier to blame the victim.

Now that scientists are starting to understand that there are neurochemical differences between those who use nicotine and those who don't, maybe they'll cut us a little slack.
 

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And the good news is they'll be able to correct that brain disorder with just one little pill.

...That only kills a few percent of it's users....and leaves the rest dazed wandering zombies.

Yay pharmaceuticals! </sarcasm>

Yes, that is a problem. I listened to a Harvard professor drone on and on about how smokeless products prime the dopaminergic system so that the smokeless user wants to go have a cigarette. This is a wonderful illustration of how "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." Many researchers are all hung up on the fact that dopamine affects the pleasure center. So their bright idea is "Let's block the dopamine receptors so that they don't have that wild surge of pleasure when they ingest nicotine."

That would be fine, I guess, if dopamine had no other effects. Too little dopamine, however, has devastating effects on cognitive functioning, and it also brings on Parkinson's disease. Furthermore, I feel really cheated because nicotine doesn't give me a thrilling sense of pleasure.

Even back when I was a teenager who only smoked a few puffs every couple of months, I experienced a brief, fraction-of-a-section tingle in my head with the first puff, after which, nothing.

Even that disappeared once I become a regular smoker.

Also, Mr. Harvard Professor is full of soup about this primer thing. He doesn't believe that snus has had any effect on smoking rates in Sweden. He thinks Sweden is a country full of "dual users."

Because after all, if you use the smallest bit of non-smoked nicotine, you won't ever be able to resist lighting up a cigarette.

I guess my point here is that before they go running off dreaming up what they believe is the perfect way to make us stop using nicotine, they need to fully understand the consequences for us.

And I think that they think that they are saving us from wandering around as dazed, confused zombies, when the reality is that if you take away my nicotine, I turn into that dazed, confused zombie...and that's without their little pill!
 
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Here's the real $$KEY$$ phrase: "...so it must be treated, managed and monitored over a person's lifetime"

I don't think that's as sinister a statement as you imply. In the case of smoking addiction, "management" could simply be defined as abstaining from cigarettes.

"Addiction" is a condition much like "allergic". If someone says they suffer from an allergy, we don't assume that they are allergic to everything, but that their physiology makes their immune system react to a specific allergen. It's the same with addiction. One's physiology dictates what one can become addicted to (not what one will become addicted to, but what one can become addicted to). Cigarette dependency has a clear genetic component (e.g. the children of smokers adopted by non-smokers smoke at the same rates as the children of smokers who are raised by their biological parents and vice versa). I don't see why this is controversial.
 

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And the good news is they'll be able to correct that brain disorder with just one little pill.

...That only kills a few percent of it's users....and leaves the rest dazed wandering zombies.

Yay pharmaceuticals! </sarcasm>

I can almost see the pharmaceutical tv commercials now...telling us how their wonderful little pill will fix our "mental disorders" before listing 50 horrible side effects that eclipse the perilous nicotine addiction their miracle pill is supposed to treat. Ha!
 

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I have never doubted that I have a brain disorder; however that being said I am very happy with my brain as it is. It may not be much but it is one of a kind ;)

The Ultimate Brain Teaser: If one in every four Americans has some form of mental illness, then think of your three best friends. If they're okay, than its you. - Anonymous
 
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I have availed myself of pharmaceutical help (Antabuse and Naltrexone) in battling alcohol addiction, and it was quite helpful. Not a permanent solution, of course, but better than addressing the psychological problem whilst ignoring the physiological side. Both are more effective than simply pointing people to the nearest 12-step meeting.
 

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Due to a brief working career in military law enforcement, I saw firsthand the effect of things like anabuse and narcx. Those work...or appeared to.

Docs seem to be handing out stuff these days and they've no clue how they work or what their long term effects will be. One wanted to prescribe an anti-depressant for migraines. When asked how it worked, he said he didn't know, but it basically cut off your flight or fight response. So you could relax.

Oh. That thing that helped us stay safe and evolve? Yeah, let's turn that off. Good idea.
 

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Due to a brief working career in military law enforcement, I saw firsthand the effect of things like anabuse and narcx. Those work...or appeared to.

Docs seem to be handing out stuff these days and they've no clue how they work or what their long term effects will be. One wanted to prescribe an anti-depressant for migraines. When asked how it worked, he said he didn't know, but it basically cut off your flight or fight response. So you could relax.

Oh. That thing that helped us stay safe and evolve? Yeah, let's turn that off. Good idea.

Right. Why would a military person on active duty need that?
 

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If you listen to all the things that could happen while taking a pill for something.You're better off having that something rather than taking the pill that cures it.One of my all time faves was for a weight loss tablet. One such malady that one could get from ingesting said pill was Oily stool.Who wants that?

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I can almost see the pharmaceutical tv commercials now...telling us how their wonderful little pill will fix our "mental disorders" before listing 50 horrible side effects that eclipse the perilous nicotine addiction their miracle pill is supposed to treat. Ha!
 

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If you listen to all the things that could happen while taking a pill for something.You're better off having that something rather than taking the pill that cures it.One of my all time faves was for a weight loss tablet. One such malady that one could get from ingesting said pill was Oily stool.Who wants that?

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You can still get that from the OTC version of Orlistant, called Alli. When I first saw it in writing, I thought it was pronounced "Ah-LEE" (like the boxer's last name). When they started running commercials, I found out it's pronounced as if the product is your friend: Ally.

If you decide to take it, I suggest you get some Depends to protect your tidy whities.
 

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My doctor and I have had a running argument for years about my cholesterol. It's higher than he wants it to be (and much higher, since they dropped the numbers again). My argument is that I have absolutely no trace of heart disease, my good cholesterol to bad cholesterol ratio puts me right at the normal risk for heart disease level, and one of the possible side effects of the antistatins is liver failure and death. No, but thanks for thinking of me.

My trump card for most of those years was Show me one study that says these things actually reduce the likelihood of heart disease. We all know they lower cholesterol, but do they actually lower your risk of heart disease? He finally came up with a study. It showed that taking a particular antistatin lowered the risk of heart disease by somewhere between 15% and 20%. Weighed against the risk of liver failure and death. No, but thanks for thinking of me.
 
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