Obama signs anti-smoking bill

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kylewinther

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Not sure if this was posted already, but here is the story from today:

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama cited his own long struggle to quit the cigarettes he got hooked on as a teenager as he signed the nation's strongest-ever anti-smoking bill Monday and praised it for providing critically needed protections for kids.
"The decades-long effort to protect our children from the harmful effects of tobacco has emerged victorious," Obama said at a signing ceremony in the White House Rose Garden.
The bill marks the latest legislative victory for Obama's first five months. Among his other successes: a $787 billion economic stimulus bill, legislation to expand a state program providing children's health insurance and a bill making it easier for workers to sue for pay discrimination.
The president has frequently spoken, in the White House and on the campaign trail, of his own struggles to quit smoking. He brought it up during Monday's ceremony while criticizing the tobacco industry for marketing its products to young people.
Obama said almost 90 percent of people who smoke began at age 18 or younger, snared in a dangerous and hard-to-kick habit.
"I know — I was one of these teenagers," Obama said. "So I know how difficult it can be to break this habit when it's been with you for a long time."
Before dozens of invited guests, including children from the Campaign for tobacco Free Kids, the president signed legislation giving the Food and Drug Administration unprecedented authority to regulate tobacco.
Obama accused the tobacco industry of targeting young people, exposing them to a "constant and insidious barrage of advertising where they live, where they learn and where they play. Most insidiously, they are offered products with flavorings that mask the taste of tobacco and make it even more tempting."
The new law bans candy and fruit flavors in tobacco products, and it limits advertising that could attract young people.
The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act also allows the FDA to lower the amount of addiction-causing nicotine in tobacco products and block misleading labels such "low tar" and "light." Tobacco companies also will be required to cover their cartons with large graphic warnings.
The law won't let the FDA ban nicotine or tobacco outright.
"It is a law that will save American lives," Obama said.
Anti-smoking advocates looked forward to the bill after years of attempts to control an industry so fundamental to the U.S. that carved tobacco leaves adorn some parts of the Capitol.
Opponents from tobacco-growing states such as top-producing North Carolina argued that the FDA had proved through a series of food safety failures that it was not up to the job of regulation. They also said that instead of unrealistically trying to get smokers to quit or to prevent others from starting, lawmakers should ensure that people have other options, like smokeless tobacco.
As president, George W. Bush opposed the legislation and threatened a veto after it passed the House last year. The Obama administration, by contrast, issued a statement declaring strong support for the measure.
 

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Ok, so, according to the bill, Title I, Sec. 101, (rr)(a) (I'd post a link, but I CAN'T, so go look it up on govtrack.us):

(rr)(1) The term ‘tobacco product’ means any product made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption, including any component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product (except for raw materials other than tobacco used in manufacturing a component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product).

So how's e-juice made again?
 

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"Nicotine is an alkaloid found in the nightshade family of plants (Solanaceae) which constitutes approximately 0.6–3.0% of dry weight of tobacco" - Wikpedia
Ok, so, according to the bill, Title I, Sec. 101, (rr)(a) (I'd post a link, but I CAN'T, so go look it up on govtrack.us):

(rr)(1) The term ‘tobacco product’ means any product made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption, including any component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product (except for raw materials other than tobacco used in manufacturing a component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product).

So how's e-juice made again?
 

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I dont know, kind of ridiculous if you ask me.

I don't get it???? It says it can't ban nicotine products outright and can only stop "candy" flavors that target kids. Why is this a threat to e-cigs again? All it seems to say is that we can no longer buy candy flavored e-cigs.
 

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A "constant and insidious barrage of advertising where they live, where they learn and where they play."

That really ...... me off when I heard it. Everyone makes this ludicrous claims because they hit emotional "hot-buttons" in the listener, but really, can anyone point me to such advertisments? Anywhere? Tobacco is one of the only products in our "free economy" that is barred from advertising their wares on television or radio, and they certainly aren't placing ads in Children's magazines. This is total unsubstantiated rubbish at least, if not blantant slander and libel - and this time it comes straight from the mouth of the President of the United States. IT'S BS!
 

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A "constant and insidious barrage of advertising where they live, where they learn and where they play."

Makes it sound like there are tobacco ads in schools and on playgrounds, neither of which is true.

As we all know, by reducing nicotine in the cigs you up the consumption rate which increases the cancer rates. And by essentially banning safer alternatives, you increase the cancer rates. It'd be more humane to simply line up all smokers in front of a firing squad. IMHO, the reality is, they want the consumption rates increased in order to rake in more tax revenues and simply dont care that it's at the expense of the health of the tobacco consumers.
 
I'm with Delite. Can someone tell me exactly how our young people are targeted? And via what media ? I see the anti-smoking ads on TV every few minutes, it seems, and, as Delite says, cigarettes are definitely not advertised in magazines and newspapers.

I'm not, in ANY way, saying that young people should take up smoking, of course they shouldn't, but I just fail to see how they're being targeted to START smoking. Indeed, years ago, cigarettes were definitely promoted to young people, no denying that. But in this day and age, there is such a strong stigma associated with smoking that I don't see how teenagers could not be aware of the known dangers and risks. Certainly, as long as there are cigarettes available on the market and despite the restrictions, kids who are determined to smoke or try smoking are, unfortunately, going to find a way to get them. Just as they have for over half a century. In many cases, as far as teenagers are concerned, telling them that smoking is forbidden, only gives them the desire and determination to do it more. No matter how much they've been taught otherwise, lectured to, preached at, punished, grounded, whatever. Some kids will always rebel just for the sake of rebelling.

Just so this comment is not misconstrued, I am not saying that young people should not be educated about the dangers of smoking. On the contrary, I'm very much in support of it. What I'm saying is that I just do not personally see the tobacco companies targeting our young people today. That's all.
 

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Well the have alway known that Nic** is a drug and now they finally are going to try and limit it, but is that only because E-cigs hit the field ?? I think so that way the FDA can stop it from coming into the US. I say that if they try that, we should make it so that the FDA must regulate caffine that is given so freely to young kids. Its a drug and is also very addictive. I love my E-cig it has let me almost stop smoking real cigs and with this news I will be making very large orders of juice and other stuff so I can keep doing this.

On a side note I have to have fusion of my lowest 3 verts in my back and "smoking" lowers the chance that the fission will take, due to something in cigs that makes the bone not harden right. So also if the FDA makes e-cigs go away I will also submit a lawsuite because this is the only thing that has worked for me I tried the gum,the patch, even all of the pills out there. This works and NO-ONE else gets hurt in anyway. So please if you have not signed the pat aginst the FDA messing with E-cigs sign up and make sure you tell all of your friends to do the same.


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for Hawktheslayer----
Smoking interferes with the healing of broken bones because it decreases the body's ability to manufacture new bone tissue -- a process that is essential for healing. Several different substances in cigarette smoke, including nicotine, carbon monoxide, and hydrogen cyanide, all interfere with the bone healing process.

the Scoop on Smoking :: slow healing of broken bones

http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/pr/news/story.cfm?id=1124


the second link is about a study that is going to be done to confirm some things about why it does slow things down.

That's just two things I found real quick for ya.

I never knew that it took so much longer for bones to heal in smokers till just now.
 
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well crap... I hope this isn't the end of all things tasty. 8-o

I'm not really a fruity drink kind of a guy, but I'd say your flavored liqeurs are now in trouble by precedent. If someone gets it in their heads that alcohol is draining the public coffers - goodbye ninety-nine bananas...
 

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I really don't know what all this legal double-speak means and what ultimate effect it will have on e-cigs, but in response I ordered some extra atomizers and more liquid for my 801 and 510 just in case. The e-cig was a new lease on life for me. Not to over-react, but the government is creating yet another avenue for a black market, where we will need to purchase liquid and "paraphernalia" from drug dealers and thus turn otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals. Obama, come on. You, of all people? Who was a smoker yourself? You got off it on your own, right? No government agency made the decision for you, right? It was YOUR decision. Let the American people have that same right.
 

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I'm still a little confused about this though. The prez says that the fda will NOT be able to ban nicotine. They will only be able to control the nicotine levels in cigs and control how they are marketed.

Also, whats with this candy flavor BS being a "target" for the young? When I was young the last thing I would smoke was a childish looking cig. I wanted to look cool..
 

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"Obama accused the tobacco industry of targeting young people, exposing them to a "constant and insidious barrage of advertising where they live, where they learn and where they play. Most insidiously, they are offered products with flavorings that mask the taste of tobacco and make it even more tempting."

I wish politicians would tell the truth at least sometimes.... something like this:

"Obama accused the political industry of targeting young people, exposing them to a "constant and insidious barrage of _socialism_ where they live, where they learn and where they play. Most insidiously, they are offered _policies_ with _political correctness_ that mask the bad effects of _socialism_ and make it even more tempting."

"...almost 90 percent of people began at age 18 or younger, snared in a dangerous and hard-to-kick habit."
"I know — I was one of these teenagers," Obama said. "So I know how difficult it can be to break this habit when it's been with you for a long time."

There. That's better! :)
 
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