Odysseus copy

[Aron Gatt]

I do not have an answer for thast but why would you discontinue the Odysseus when its replacement is so far off into the future?

It is possible to sell the Ithaca and Odysseus side by side kinda like Ford sold the Taurus and the Mercury Sable at the same time also applies to the Chevy Camaro and the Pontiac Firebird both the same thing both had slightly different features and so on and so on.........

While they may be useless they are valid point from other with valid points of view. I am not condemning Imeo or his products, i have some of his products and love them but I am merely pointing out an area that might could use some attention to help close the gap on people copying him. Trust me when I say this because I have seen it over and over and over copies will be made but if you can get the real thing without having to wait months for it then the copies usually die away. Of course they will be there just not as prevalent.

This statement is to everybody, Please do not get .... hurt because we have conflicting points of view. Life is too short already.

Sry if I didn't express my self right.. What I meant by " useless " in a way that we can't do anything about it ! And we only need to apriciate what Imeo those , which is "TOP NOUCH vaping EQUIPMENT " .. I would like an iatty , but I can't blame Imeo for not having one .. I just was late for it , so that means that Imeo is not doing his job correctly ?
And I'm sure the iatty is great but if I get one it would be for collection only and not a day to day vape .

So you'll have Ithaka and you'll change your mind ... But keep the GOOD eye over here , so you don't miss it!

 

[imeothanasis]

But you asked for it vaporeta, I just want to satisfy you

Do it, as you are supposed to be the owner and your opinions are law.

PS: Sorry but I can´t stop thinking that you are not the kind of person that like dictatorship though everybody seem to be happy with this opinion and they seem very happy to obbey your "orders" (not me of course as I have always been a rebel)

 

[imeothanasis]

no reason to get impressed, just read those books vaporeta

I´m really impressed for having aroused your interest at the point of loosing your precious time writing such a long message just dedicated to me, despite you consider me just a simple troll. I appreciate it.
But to tell the truth I can´t say I am so impresed by the content. The real thing is that I´m never impressed with the kind of people that need to give a list of authors when trying to impress the "audience". Good try but I´m not impressed at all and of course Im not going to give you a list.
I was born in a country where we had 40 years dictatorship and a civil war but this doesn´t give me more authority to talk about anything.
Good night.

 

[knut]

Nobody here is inviting to by chinese copies.
I would have liked to have an Odysseus, I won't get one (and no, for 150 € people can keep it), but I won't buy this chinese copy, that's for sure. And this is why I got a Penelope, I'm pretty happy now and can wai, but what if someone struggles to have a GG item? Wait months?
Ok.
Why?
I already wrote somewhere else, that in my town I just can walk into a shop and buy very good products made by an italian modder (and I will not repeat the products' name here, they were already quickly censored in the oher post, though I wasn't honored with an anwser - it appears here one cannot write what he wants, hu?); the same should apply with GG products, the quality is that good, that GG could sell way more than it does now.
Of course copies will always be produced:



True. But I, as a customer, still have a choice between the original and the copy. And believe me, I own a Provari, not a vmax, zmax, ....ing lavatube or whatelse.
The same with this nautilus: 69-79 € for the copy, 90 € for the original. Oh, come on, what are we talking about? This copy has a potential market for only one reason: impossibility to buy the original. That's that simple. 10 € difference? to save 10 € one would buy this thing?
Oh, come on...





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Of course than, I do not know which difficulties could arise from a larger production, I'm not an expert, but as said before i have an example with products in Italy, namely ****, ******* and ***** by ****§§, which are always available in the shop. (already censored, no reason to bother here)

I don't care about who is Imeo. I like the things he made but... don't will make it anymore. Is his decission.


Then the acolyt opinions about he is the best, could be a great actor, next president or Greece, a God....doesn't mind to me.



The fact is there is no products.


If I love my provari I use it everyday. Same with the rest of items. I want products.
And I see that people buy any GG and sell it overpriced "new". Ever are "new", "not used". For especulation. And market of GG is now fool, overpriced....


About china copys. I think the Nautylus comes from Corea and this people make very good stuff. If I can't buy a wellmachined oddy from Imeo in 90€ the only way is buy a wellmachined Nautylus from Corea that sells a german shop in 70 €.

 

[knut]

Originally Posted by vaporeta
I´m really impressed for having aroused your interest at the point of loosing your precious time writing such a long message just dedicated to me, despite you consider me just a simple troll. I appreciate it.
But to tell the truth I can´t say I am so impresed by the content. The real thing is that I´m never impressed with the kind of people that need to give a list of authors when trying to impress the "audience". Good try but I´m not impressed at all and of course Im not going to give you a list.
I was born in a country where we had 40 years dictatorship and a civil war but this doesn´t give me more authority to talk about anything.
Good night.

no reason to get impressed, just read those books vaporeta

Or be that.
There is word for this kind of suposed experts that bla, bla....."You see how much I know about this and you don't? "

 

[imeothanasis]

Papa, I will answer to your questions one by one

1. I discontinoue items because I want to make better ones. If you see people always ask for the previous items but they finally get the latest ones. Its because people find a snug berth and dont want to go further. I pulling them to do the opossite

2. I dont wonder why I get copied, I know why I get copied. Its not because of my quantity, its because of my devices. Even if I was able to producer more of them be sure that I would be copied either with a cheaper product.

3. I dont look what my customers want???? No comment on this buddy, you should know better I think

4. If you hate waiting then you have to buy something else simple. Complexity of GG products allow only smaller runs. If you want me to make simple things like others do I can make 10.000 in 1,5 month. You would buy it or you want the best out there?

5. I explained the reasons about waranty and I dont know why you dont see the reasons but you think only yourself right now. If you were in my position you would do the same. Think about it and you can answer me in a later time.

6. As for the availability. I started preorders to satisfy as many people as I can but I still hear complains? I am telling you again that GG products are not a tube with 2 caps Papa.

I hope that I answered all of your questions. Also, if your ever thought that its better to move GG production line in China to increase availability, I have to tell you that I will not do it

All the above are friendly answers to your questions Papa

Here is just food for thought and maybe I will get flamed and maybe this will strike you exactly as I intend it too. I am not trying to be hateful by any means.

Maybe if you would quit discontinuing items once you come out with the "latest and greatest?" things people would not have o go get copies nor would the copies be given much thought.

You discontinued the AVS and brought the iAtty well there were people that did not like that and I know of some that looked into the cost of machining them at their local shops in SS.

The UFS came along and people where still wanting the AVS and you did not do anything. Then the people that loved the UFS and then ones that learned to like it had the Odysseus. You did finally make more UFS but that took a lot of people telling that they would go just short of selling their souls for one.

Now you have the Achilles and Ithaca that will take months and months to produce and no Odysseus will be made?

You have far more demand than product and you wonder why you get copied?
Maybe you should step back and really look at what your customers want.

I for one hate waiting months and months on parts or devices to come available. I hate that devices and items you make get shelved for something that is not even available yet.

I do love your work but you make it hard on some people by chasing shooting stars while the rest of us wait for your return.

Maybe you need to rethink the line "I only care for my customers." You do have good customer service but you do lack in the supplying the demand department.

And IMO if you decide not to honor your warranty any more I feel more people would not buy the GG products at the current price.

 

[imeothanasis]

thiefing is not capitalism Papa.

I can understand that he is driven to make new things and better thing but for some they feel that he already has the best if they can only get it.

Like I said in the previous post he can have things being made and be working on new as at the same time. It is not like he it machining all of this by hand, the CNC shop gets paid for that.

True thugs will be there to steal someone elses design, so is life. But it is called capatalistic economy for a reason, if Imeo will not keep products on the shelf, no matter how great they are, then he can hardly cry foul when someone else copies, markets and sells his design to the masses.

 

[imeothanasis]

Is it possible that people that got copied not to complain Papa? I dont think so

But they are not complaining about them being ripped off. i have been watching and reading here since 2010 and i seldom post but I am always reading about him being copied. I am aware that others are being copied as well but when you have a void such as the one created by not having something in stock for months and moths at a time then you cannot blame an enterprising young chinese man stepping in and making similar product to make money.

Before you guys get all .... hurt i want to point out that I have owned a few GGs and have another on the way but i am merely pointing out an area that could use a little more thought, i always feel that constructive criticism can go a long way in growing oneself and ones business.

 

[imeothanasis]

why would you discontinue the Odysseus when its replacement is so far off into the future?

Easy answer Papa. Its because if I make Ody again I will not make Ithaka. Its just a matter of time. You think that cnc machines are sitting without doing anything those months?

 

[imeothanasis]

exactly mouse

I don't know how machining works, and I'll be more than glad to admit that. Is it possible that he can't run the odysseus parts at the same time he's running other parts? Right now he's producing stealth, TB, and Iatty parts. Maybe it's just not possible to run all that and the Odysseus parts too with the number of machines he has? If so, then even if he wanted to run Odysseus it might not be possible to do until this production run is through. By that time he's ready to start Ithaka. Just me guessing.

 

[imeothanasis]

I don't care about who is Imeo. I like the things he made but... don't will make it anymore. Is his decission.


Then the acolyt opinions about he is the best, could be a great actor, next president or Greece, a God....doesn't mind to me.



The fact is there is no products.


If I love my provari I use it everyday. Same with the rest of items. I want products.
And I see that people buy any GG and sell it overpriced "new". Ever are "new", "not used". For especulation. And market of GG is now fool, overpriced....


About china copys. I think the Nautylus comes from Corea and this people make very good stuff. If I can't buy a wellmachined oddy from Imeo in 90€ the only way is buy a wellmachined Nautylus from Corea that sells a german shop in 70 €.

If you want products then you have to wait knut. If you dont wait then I will not make new and better products and China will not copy them. So you have to wait either lol

If you are in a hurry I cant serve you, sorry. Better you wait for the Ithaka's copy. Because I will make Ithaka, you will not be able to buy it because you will miss the preorders (its not my fault that you missed previous preorders) and you will wait for Ithaka copy. Finally you will wait more for the copy than the original lol

But I am glad even if you will buy the copy. Means that you really like GG products and that makes me really happy

ps...... you really have to know who is Imeo because Imeo make the products that you like buddy

ps2...... the couloured glasses that you posted means that copiers make the big difference with them and they finally made a better product? If I change the colour of my car then I made a bmw?
Whatever copiers will do, Ody came from my mind only. Copiers are people that want money and nothing more. And if you want me to make better products for you then you have to stay away from copiers. I dont know if you understand what is your advantage.

ps3...... You said that you dont care who Imeo is. Then why you come to his forum without respect for him or his products?

We are not robots my friend, we care each other, we understand each other, we support each other. I am sure that you want to support me but you dont know the right way

 

[imeothanasis]

ahahaha, but why do you think that I posted that to show you that I know more and you didnt think that I said it to help vaporeta? You see how you think knut? You think that I am beating vaporeta and you when I am just trying to help you

Originally Posted by vaporeta
I´m really impressed for having aroused your interest at the point of loosing your precious time writing such a long message just dedicated to me, despite you consider me just a simple troll. I appreciate it.
But to tell the truth I can´t say I am so impresed by the content. The real thing is that I´m never impressed with the kind of people that need to give a list of authors when trying to impress the "audience". Good try but I´m not impressed at all and of course Im not going to give you a list.
I was born in a country where we had 40 years dictatorship and a civil war but this doesn´t give me more authority to talk about anything.
Good night.








Or be that.
There is word for this kind of suposed experts that bla, bla....."You see how much I know about this and you don't? "

 

[vaporeta]

A person that wants to buy something that he likes doesnt make an unfriedly post on manufacturer's forum and of course not an unfriendly first post. Dont you agree?

I don´t know what you mean by "unfriendly". Maybe I would agree with you if I had entered this forum insulting or using offensive words but that is not my impression and of course it wasn´t my intention at all.
But it is easy to prove. Here are my first two messages- Would you be so kind as to tell me where exactly are the offensive or unfriendly words?:


"Lucky you is you were able to find good vaping in GG products. I´ve been looking for a Penelope for quite a long time and the only possibility for me is buying a second hand one in an action and of course double price than the original. The only answer to my questions about when will penelope be sold again is a "who knows" answer.
I understand Knut giving his opinion about images in videos. I also like good products better than image, but much better if one gets the two things.I would like to buy GGs original products but I agree with Knut. If I am not able to buy one if it it is not a second hand at a double price, I´ll probably buy a copy. And I suppose a lot of people will do the same. I don´t like buying copies if I can buy the original but, in this case, buying the original is nearly an "odyssey"

Thanks very much.

 

[Aron Gatt]

I do not have an answer for thast but why would you discontinue the Odysseus when its replacement is so far off into the future?

It is possible to sell the Ithaca and Odysseus side by side kinda like Ford sold the Taurus and the Mercury Sable at the same time also applies to the Chevy Camaro and the Pontiac Firebird both the same thing both had slightly different features and so on and so on.........

I don´t know what you mean by "unfriendly". Maybe I would agree with you if I had entered this forum insulting or using offensive words but that is not my impression and of course it wasn´t my intention at all.
But it is easy to prove. Here are my first two messages- Would you be so kind as to tell me where exactly are the offensive or unfriendly words?:


"Lucky you is you were able to find good vaping in GG products. I´ve been looking for a Penelope for quite a long time and the only possibility for me is buying a second hand one in an action and of course double price than the original. The only answer to my questions about when will penelope be sold again is a "who knows" answer.
I understand Knut giving his opinion about images in videos. I also like good products better than image, but much better if one gets the two things.I would like to buy GGs original products but I agree with Knut. If I am not able to buy one if it it is not a second hand at a double price, I´ll probably buy a copy. And I suppose a lot of people will do the same. I don´t like buying copies if I can buy the original but, in this case, buying the original is nearly an "odyssey"

Thanks very much.

Arrogance is part of the same family As unfriendliness .... Most of us here are not native English speaking , so don't aspect a 100% explanation in English ... You have to use your sense to make it fit sometimes ..

Agree? Or.......

 

[imeothanasis]

I don´t know what you mean by "unfriendly". Maybe I would agree with you if I had entered this forum insulting or using offensive words but that is not my impression and of course it wasn´t my intention at all.
But it is easy to prove. Here are my first two messages- Would you be so kind as to tell me where exactly are the offensive or unfriendly words?:


"Lucky you is you were able to find good vaping in GG products. I´ve been looking for a Penelope for quite a long time and the only possibility for me is buying a second hand one in an action and of course double price than the original. The only answer to my questions about when will penelope be sold again is a "who knows" answer.
I understand Knut giving his opinion about images in videos. I also like good products better than image, but much better if one gets the two things.I would like to buy GGs original products but I agree with Knut. If I am not able to buy one if it it is not a second hand at a double price, I´ll probably buy a copy. And I suppose a lot of people will do the same. I don´t like buying copies if I can buy the original but, in this case, buying the original is nearly an "odyssey"

Thanks very much.

Arent these some unfriendly words vaporeta? In what part you agree with Knut? Maybe about my hair? Or my shirt? Or my language? Or my hands that are dirty and cut from machining or aasembling? Maybe if I was wearing a tie I would earn your respect? As Aron said, presentation was there but you missed it. It was Ithaka and Achilles my friend. You have to look deep, not superficial. I would wear a tie if I wanted to find some girls on ecf.

I am a maker and I have to stay out of ties. My sellers maybe they have to wear ties, not me.

 

[knut]

"Lucky you is you were able to find good vaping in GG products. I´ve been looking for a Penelope for quite a long time and the only possibility for me is buying a second hand one in an action and of course double price than the original. The only answer to my questions about when will penelope be sold again is a "who knows" answer.
I understand Knut giving his opinion about images in videos. I also like good products better than image, but much better if one gets the two things.I would like to buy GGs original products but I agree with Knut. If I am not able to buy one if it it is not a second hand at a double price, I´ll probably buy a copy. And I suppose a lot of people will do the same. I don´t like buying copies if I can buy the original but, in this case, buying the original is nearly an "odyssey"

Thanks very much.

I think is so easy like that and other explanations and concepts are philosophical circles but the fact is there is no Oddy, no Penelope, no spare parts...and lots of people want it.

¿Why I have an eternal atty that is no eternal becauese there is no spares any more?
It could be the best idea in the humanity history but nothing to do if doesn't works.

For me is easy.

And no.
I don't think in the person who make my motorbike. If is old or not. Tall, if is a person who reads, or vote to Obama, or like the lakers or not...

You think that your product is good enough and talk bya himself. No need to make and acurated video.
OK.
I don't need anything else that my moto runs and the possibility to do that for years. Mr Honda think that his product is good enough and no need to make spares and is thinking in next new moto?

Good.
By the way then I need to buy copys in the point of the world it sell the pieces.

And next time perhaps I will go to buy a Mr. Yamaha motorbike.


Harley has the most original bikes in the world, is a philosphy, is a way of life....OK. I need the best Harley to take it in the garage?

 

[CaptSteve]

Is this going to continue for a second day? Seriously?

 

[imeothanasis]

ahahaha, yes captain.

Is this going to continue for a second day? Seriously?

 

[Moonwalker]

People are very shallow sometimes.

My point was - you can not teach musician about guitar, you can not teach football player about football, you can not teach mechanic about vehicle repair... and you can not teach political scientist about concept of freedom (any kind of freedom). You can express your opinion, but you need to know that things are not provisory, they are things you read about, analyse and learn, think about them and analyse them. So it is very funny from my stand to read this rubish about someone being restrained in his freedoms.

And the "argument" about Spanish civil war and Franco's regime is hilarious. You were born then.vaporeta, lived in that society, fought against system? Same as if you said that you are from Japan and because in one part of your.history you had samurais, you are be default living by ethics code.

Just listen Imeo's advice - don't be impressed, read the books. Every book makes you a wiser person.

Sent from my LG-P700 using Tapatalk 2

 

[negrete35]

Wow, Just read through the thread. Lots of hostility toward Imeo and "lack" of GG products. I am not a "fanboy" (yet), but I can say that if you really WANT GG products, they're not hard to get. You dont want to pay double, get verified and buy from the classifieds here. always fair priced. Maybe priced up 10-20% but that is to cover shipping and paypal fees. Never double priced. I have had both the Ody and Penelope. I liked them both a lot, but in my search for trying to find what works best for me, I have gotten rid of both of them. The Ody, I traded to try something that I havent tried before. The Penny, I sold so that I could have money to buy my first GGTS. I dont have a lot of money to buy things to try them out. So, unfortunately, I had to get rid of some stuff to get other stuff. If I dont like what I traded the Ody for I will sell it and have money to pre-order Ithaca. I kind of went off topic I guess, lol, but I just wanted to say that GG products a great and I cant wait to have more. They are fair priced and well worth every penny you end up paying for them.

P.S. vaporeta, I understand where youre coming from. It can be frustrating to get ahold of GG products. But you cant seriously expect to come to this forum and say the things that you have said and be seen as at least slightly hostile. maybe in another forum NOT LABLED GG, you would be able to express your opinions without being looked at as hostile. I am not saying that youre wrong, or anyone else who has posted, just that in this forum, you shouldnt be posting things like you have been and expect not to have to defend yourself. Just my two cents.

P.S.2: I cant wait for my new GGTS to get here!