I have tried this as well, and I have tried rinsing it with straight pg a few times to no avail. By the way I also always blow it out with my mouth on the threaded end as per the instructions on the site.
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I have tried this as well, and I have tried rinsing it with straight pg a few times to no avail. By the way I also always blow it out with my mouth on the threaded end as per the instructions on the site.
It trips me out to hear you say the flavor/vapor is that bad. HH357 is the best flavor I've had out of any device I've used.
Best advice I can give: Don't use dark juices.
Thanks for the advice. Almost all of my juices are almost completely clear, with the exception of a coffee juice(that I haven't used in it by the way). I have cleaned between each juice, with each giving the same metallic taste.
I am just hoping it is just the wire breaking in, although I am not getting this taste from the other standard atty that was in the same shipment.
I really hope I can "eat my words" in a couple days time, and if not I will be more than happy to send it to Hanna for him to diagnose and repair/replace, or to just tell me I am crazy. After all this is my first 357, but it is not my first atomizer.
Big lungs. The draw method is different than anything else I've used. Here's my suggestion to try:
Don't fire the atty until you have the DT in your mouth. Then, right before you fire start drawing/sucking on the atty. So start drawing before you fire it up. Otherwise, it sounds like you may have a defective unit. I'd send it back to avid so Hanna can look at it to see what the problem is.
Thanks, that is the technique I have been using from the start. At least I know I am doing that part correct. I will continue to experiment with my draw speed and see what happens.
Edit: Just to clarify, I can taste my juice flavor. It is just being accompanied with a strong metallic taste.
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I'm trying to think back to when I first started and it was definitely a learning curve as far as the draw speed. But, I do not remember getting a metallic taste. You're sure you have put enough juice in there right? When you do a little primer puff you should hear that noise in the Hanna video. I usually put 9 drops in there. If you are using an all VG liquid, that can definitely make a difference too. I've had best results with a PG/VG mix. Sorry bud wish I could be more help.
You guys are helping a bunch, it is helping me narrow things down.
I am using 70/30 pg vg. I am checking for the gurgle every time before I fire the button. Right out of the package(after blowing the primer out) I put 6 drops in, let it sit for 30-45 minutes to be sure everything was wicking properly. I checked the gurgle and it was there but ever so slight, so I added 2 more drops. At that point it sounded just like in Hanna's videos and the other review videos.
I have messed around with a couple more drops after blowing everything out(so 10 drops total), it was at that point that it really started under performing.
I hit it until I can barely hear/feel that gurgle anymore and this is when I will top up with two or three more drops. I think I have a pretty good handle on the fill level.
Flavor has improved ever so slightly over the last two days, so I have hopes that this taste will go away completely with enough time. The vapor production has not picked up though, but I am understanding that it can take up to 10 days to completely break in.
There's not a lot of vg in your juices. My understanding is that more vg = more vapor. I would try some 60/40 or 50/50 juices and see if the vapor increases.
Sounds like you've got a pretty good handle on it. You're using a 70/30 juice which should wick great and still produce good vapor. I do the same thing you mentioned keep doing dry puffs after I hit to make sure I hear that gurgle, if not add 3 more drops. I'd be much less concerned with the vapor and more with that metallic taste you mentioned. One thing that I didn't see is what are you using it on? What type battery/apv and also what's the resistance of the HH?
I get that, it is a juice I am very familiar with though. When I say the 357 isn't producing very much vapor I am comparing the vapor with the same juice to another atty, clearo, and carto.
Side by side with the same juice, the 510 HH357 2.0ohm long barrel, and a regular 510 2.0ohm cisco spec atty. The 357 isn't producing very well and the flavor is metallic. Whereas the standard cisco spec is producing very well right off the bat with great flavor.
I hope that clears that up?
wow talk about action on the thread...
in my experience, poor vapor production is usually the result of too much juice; could that be consideration?
I am hard on my atomizers as I drip only 3-4 drops and vape til its about gone; not intentionally but i often see red coils... that's probably why mine don't last more than 2-3 weeks, but i sure get fabulous vapor (and flavor). There's nothing worse than too much juice imo.
- I never knew what my juices really tasted like before HH357 ... rba's notwithstanding...
cause those give me fits usually...
in my experience, poor vapor production is usually the result of too much juice; could that be consideration?
I am hard on my atomizers as I drip only 3-4 drops and vape til its about gone; not intentionally but i often see red coils... that's probably why mine don't last more than 2-3 weeks, but i sure get fabulous vapor (and flavor). There's nothing worse than too much juice imo.
- I never knew what my juices really tasted like before HH357 ... rba's notwithstanding...
cause those give me fits usually...
At this moment I am using it on a vision spinner(essentially ego twist) with the voltage set to 4.2. Yesterday and the day before I was using it on both a provari and vamo. It's a 2.0 long barrel HH.
On the provari and vamo I kept playing with the voltage. I went as high as 4.4(slowly worked my way up there), and at 4.4 the taste became almost unbearable so I have been at 4.2 ever since.
Yes I did check the resistance of the HH before using it, came out to even 2.0
Edit: Ukeman- I don't think too much juice is the problem, as I worked my way until I could just barely hear/feel that gurgle. I have purposely put too much juice in it as well so I could see what that was like, and vapor production really suffered.
The vapor isn't my main concern right now, as I have heard many reports of it suddenly improving when it was broken in. The taste is what is putting me down the most.
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Yup. Bummer man. Try a few more things if you want then email Hanna. Dude is awesome, he'll get you fixed up.
I know he will if it comes to that. I just wanted to troubleshoot here for a while first. Don't want to bother Hanna unless I absolutely have to, I know he is a very busy man what with hand building all these 357's!
I read through every page on this thread and part 1 before I even ordered mine, so I have a very good understanding of how it should work under optimum conditions.
Like I said I am not letting this get me down, and am far from giving up! I know that Hanna and Cisco are great people and have the top of the line products.
I have seen Hanna tell a few people in here to kick the voltage up to around 4.7-4.8 volts with the 2.0ohm, but I am personally afraid to do that yet for fear of blowing my new atty before it really starts working right!
Yeah I agree with Vaporhead. Contact Hanna. It sounds like you have tried pretty much everything. I have a 2.5ohm long barrel that I've had since September. It blows tasty clouds with 70/30 on 4.8v. It also blows tasty clouds at 4.2v. Never had a metallic taste.
Burnt atty taste definitely, but metallic, no.
Yes, it took some getting used to the draw I remember getting dry hits a lot and flooding the thing not knowing how or when to feed juice. But never a metallic taste. Not that I can recall. Sorry bud wish I could be more help, but I know Hanna is obsessed with making these things perfect, and if you send it back he can tell you one way or another.
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Ok I think I solved all my issues here.
What I did. I blew out all my juice and cleaned in alcohol. I then took a syringe with no needle and hooked it to the threaded end with a little piece of tubing. Filled the syringe with alcohol and blasted it through the atty a couple of times into a cup.
Upon inspecting the alcohol in the cup I noticed that there were a couple little pieces of what looks like the metal filler material.
My thinking here is that they were maybe wedged in by the coil? Anyways I refilled with juice a couple times, blowing it back out onto a paper towel to get rid of residual alcohol. I refilled one last time and screwed it back onto my PV and started vaping.
Flavor was immediately improved and that strange metallic taste is basically gone now. I think it was coming from those little pieces of filler probably being near the coil.
Anyways I have been using it again for about a half an hour now and vapor seems to slowly be picking up as well, it's not quite on par with the standard cisco spec atty yet but it seems to be getting there. I think I am inching closer and closer to that break in sweet spot.
I am going to keep messing around with it and I will update on here if anything changes. Unless that metallic taste comes back I don't think I will need to contact Hanna. Thanks for the help everyone!
Ok I think I solved all my issues here.
What I did. I blew out all my juice and cleaned in alcohol. I then took a syringe with no needle and hooked it to the threaded end with a little piece of tubing. Filled the syringe with alcohol and blasted it through the atty a couple of times into a cup.
Upon inspecting the alcohol in the cup I noticed that there were a couple little pieces of what looks like the metal filler material.
My thinking here is that they were maybe wedged in by the coil? Anyways I refilled with juice a couple times, blowing it back out onto a paper towel to get rid of residual alcohol. I refilled one last time and screwed it back onto my PV and started vaping.
Flavor was immediately improved and that strange metallic taste is basically gone now. I think it was coming from those little pieces of filler probably being near the coil.
Anyways I have been using it again for about a half an hour now and vapor seems to slowly be picking up as well, it's not quite on par with the standard cisco spec atty yet but it seems to be getting there. I think I am inching closer and closer to that break in sweet spot.
I am going to keep messing around with it and I will update on here if anything changes. Unless that metallic taste comes back I don't think I will need to contact Hanna. Thanks for the help everyone!
I admire your perseverance BigLungs! Still if there are pieces of loose metal filler I wouldn't want to suck those into my lungs. Just in case there are more. I'd drop Hanna an email if it were me with my findings and see what he suggests.
I completely agree with that. I got out the lighted magnifying glass and was peering into it for a while, trying to see if I could see anything else. The top layer around the outside of the ceramic cup looks completely intact with no frays or anything, which is why I think those little pieces were near the coil area, they were also slightly darker as if they were heating up. I am writing him an email tho to be safe and seeing what he thinks about it.
I wouldn't have thought of using a syringe like that from the threaded end. Good call.
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