OFFICIAL AvidVaper.com HH.357 discussion thread

[santo19586]

man , i cant put this 357 down, my battery mod is melting , atty is still puttin out clouds of vape!!, i got to go to higher nic, or maybe , just maybe,,
A DOUBLE HEAD Silver Bullet (that i dont have ) with 2xHH.357, maybe then i will get my fix........lol
so i guess i just have to make my own box mod with twin atty connectors...just have to wire connectors seperately to 2 seperate 18650 batts

 

[santo19586]

dont mind me , i worked last night and i havent gotten any sleep yet, thus , thinking like a mad man..

 

[gjrhine]

I have a 357 I am using on a Merlin regulated VV mod. I put it on a ProVari to check the ohms and it read 1.0. I put it on a different ProVari and it read 1.1. All use AW IMR batteries. Does that mean it is about to blow?

 

[Cisco]

last week i checked the ohm's on this 1.5 HH.357 atty, it read 1.5........a few days ago it read 1.3ohms, and now it reads 1.1ohms.....What gives?

I have a 357 I am using on a Merlin regulated VV mod. I put it on a ProVari to check the ohms and it read 1.0. I put it on a different ProVari and it read 1.1. All use AW IMR batteries. Does that mean it is about to blow?

Its pretty common as an atomizer gets broken in and used that the resistance will lower as the coil settles in. A 1.5 pretty much settles in at 1.3 +/- , Could use a cleaning possibly, carbon build up will give an off reading also.
The one I am using now is reading 1.2. doesn't mean its about to blow, although if its reading low because its dirty, the coil could be heating unevenly which is not a good thing. I can see its heating evenly so I am not concerned.

This is what kills eGo/Riva batteries, an LR atomizer that settles in @ 1.2/1.1 ohms is pretty deadly for one of those batteries. The battery doesn't detect a short and supply's the current needed to the atomizer which can heat up the silcone layer in the mosfet enough to melt it permanently on or off. This is one of the reasons why people will get errors on there ProVari with an atomizer that has been working fine. Just means it time to turn the voltage down a little.
This is were the Darwin shines, it will automatically adjust the voltage/amp to your wattage setting, set it for 10 watts, the Darwin doesn't care what you put on it, it will do the math internally.



Cisco...

 

[gjrhine]

I think I am going to clean per your instructions, move it back from 3.7 to 3.5 and check it again tomorrow.

 

[santo19586]

atty's are still available on site

 

[Jebus]

2x 1.5 Ohm on order. I have to say, Russ' (from click bang) comments persuaded me to try these. Looking forward to Hannah's work

 

[Abubika]

2x 1.5 Ohm on order. I have to say, Russ' (from click bang) comments persuaded me to try these. Looking forward to Hannah's work

I have a VERY good feeling you won't be disappointed , just be prepared once you experience one of these you won't be able to go back to other attys haha

 

[rasci2]

HH357 on the REO

I have been using the HH357 for six days on my REO Grand and have the following observations in the hope that they may help others who may be trying to decide whether or not buying a $22.00 atomizer makes sense.

First of all let me say that I did not buy these atomizers (as a $22.00 atomizer is beyond my current financial ability) but was sent two by my son for me to test. The first one met an early demise when I dropped my REO Grand and it landed on the atomizer breaking it. This may also be something to consider when deciding whether or not to spend $22.00 on an atomizer. The second on I started using on Monday 8/15/2011 with the following observations:

THE GOOD

Throat Hit: This atomizer hits harder than any I have ever tried and the resulting Throat Hit is phenomenal.
Taste: I use menthol flavored tobacco juice and usually add a few drops of menthol flavoring to intensify the taste. With this atty I actually had to forego adding the menthol as the taste is very intense.
Vapor: Produces strong vapor with a short hard pull reminiscent of smoking an analog.

THE BAD

Flooding: The HH357 is way too easy to flood on the REO and takes some time to master the “squonking” ( a REONAUT term for pressing the bottle to feed the atty). You must press the bottle very gently and as soon as any juice is seen STOP. You are then ready to vape. As you vape you should hear or feel a slight gurgling. What I have found is that after you take a few draws the best way to test it before you continue is, to gently draw, without pressing the button, and if there is still liquid in the atty there will be a slight gurgling. If there is not refill the atty.

THE UGLY

Flooding: When HH357 floods it really floods. There is no vaping through it as with other atomizers. I have found that you have to blow it out unless you want hot liquid in your mouth for seven or eight draws.

Dry Hits: When the HH357 is dry and you take a hit it really hurts. I guess because the works so well with throat hit and taste that when it is dry that too is magnified in comparison to other attys.

OVERALL IMPRESSION

If you are real careful in feeding the HH357 it is a great atomizer. The reward in Throat Hit, Taste and Vapor is really exceptional. If this justifies a $22.00 investment is still up in the air. I guess if you get a couple of months out of one without the usual tapering off it might well be worth it.

 

[Cisco]

HH357 on the REO

I have been using the HH357 for six days on my REO Grand and have the following observations in the hope that they may help others who may be trying to decide whether or not buying a $22.00 atomizer makes sense.

First of all let me say that I did not buy these atomizers (as a $22.00 atomizer is beyond my current financial ability) but was sent two by my son for me to test. The first one met an early demise when I dropped my REO Grand and it landed on the atomizer breaking it. This may also be something to consider when deciding whether or not to spend $22.00 on an atomizer. The second on I started using on Monday 8/15/2011 with the following observations:

THE GOOD

Throat Hit: This atomizer hits harder than any I have ever tried and the resulting Throat Hit is phenomenal.
Taste: I use menthol flavored tobacco juice and usually add a few drops of menthol flavoring to intensify the taste. With this atty I actually had to forego adding the menthol as the taste is very intense.
Vapor: Produces strong vapor with a short hard pull reminiscent of smoking an analog.

THE BAD

Flooding: The HH357 is way too easy to flood on the REO and takes some time to master the “squonking” ( a REONAUT term for pressing the bottle to feed the atty). You must press the bottle very gently and as soon as any juice is seen STOP. You are then ready to vape. As you vape you should hear or feel a slight gurgling. What I have found is that after you take a few draws the best way to test it before you continue is, to gently draw, without pressing the button, and if there is still liquid in the atty there will be a slight gurgling. If there is not refill the atty.

THE UGLY

Flooding: When HH357 floods it really floods. There is no vaping through it as with other atomizers. I have found that you have to blow it out unless you want hot liquid in your mouth for seven or eight draws.

Dry Hits: When the HH357 is dry and you take a hit it really hurts. I guess because the works so well with throat hit and taste that when it is dry that too is magnified in comparison to other attys.

OVERALL IMPRESSION

If you are real careful in feeding the HH357 it is a great atomizer. The reward in Throat Hit, Taste and Vapor is really exceptional. If this justifies a $22.00 investment is still up in the air. I guess if you get a couple of months out of one without the usual tapering off it might well be worth it.

Excellent Post rasci,

There is a learning curve with the 357 in general and not just with the REO. Some people are having a hard time changing their drip/drag habits. With the 357 unfortunately it is a necessity. To create all that vapor you are going to use more juice which totals less drags per feed/drip. The window of optimum performance on the 357 is smaller than with other LR atomizers, some people have figured that out , some people have yet to get a handle on the change. If you use your REO like you have been accustomed to, you will more than likely flood it. The juice on the REO needs to be brought up to the coil by way of suction, if you don't do a cold drag on a 357 to bring the juice up into the wicking material it has the potential to burn, or run dry, at that point some people might think it needs more feeding which will cause even more flooding. The way the air channel is tuned on the 357 it's possible that this does not allow the juice to flow up to the coil as effectively as it does on a regular 510 or 306, this seems to only be apparent on the REO at the moment. A needle bottom feeder injects juice directly into the wicking material, the REO injects juice into the connector cup, the juice is not where it needs to be until you draw on it and create that suction or vacuum, a cold draw after each feed might help.

Cisco..

 

[rasci2]

Excellent Post rasci,

There is a learning curve with the 357 in general and not just with the REO. Some people are having a hard time changing their drip/drag habits. With the 357 unfortunately it is a necessity. To create all that vapor you are going to use more juice which totals less drags per feed/drip. The window of optimum performance on the 357 is smaller than with other LR atomizers, some people have figured that out , some people have yet to get a handle on the change. If you use your REO like you have been accustomed to, you will more than likely flood it. The juice on the REO needs to be brought up to the coil by way of suction, if you don't do a cold drag on a 357 to bring the juice up into the wicking material it has the potential to burn, or run dry, at that point some people might think it needs more feeding which will cause even more flooding. The way the air channel is tuned on the 357 it's possible that this does not allow the juice to flow up to the coil as effectively as it does on a regular 510 or 306, this seems to only be apparent on the REO at the moment. A needle bottom feeder injects juice directly into the wicking material, the REO injects juice into the connector cup, the juice is not where it needs to be until you draw on it and create that suction or vacuum, a cold draw after each feed might help.

Cisco..

Cisco, Thank you

I have a journeyman box from R&R which I have been reluctant to use for fear of damaging the HH357 as I only have one. If you feel this is OK I will give it a try.

 

[Cisco]

Cisco, Thank you

I have a journeyman box from R&R which I have been reluctant to use for fear of damaging the HH357 as I only have one. If you feel this is OK I will give it a try.

That's your call Rasci...

I have no idea how far up into the atomizer the needle goes on one of those. If it runs up to deep and touches the coil or the metal wicking material you would have a dead short. You could thread the atomizer in and check it with meter,with the battery removed obviously...

 

[rasci2]

That's your call Rasci...

I have no idea how far up into the atomizer the needle goes on one of those. If it runs up to deep and touches the coil or the metal wicking material you would have a dead short. You could thread the atomizer in and check it with meter,with the battery removed obviously...

Thanks Cisco,

As I don't currently have a working meter I will pass until such time as another user can advise.

 

[NandyDC]

Hi everyone. I have been using the hh357 for 8 day more or less. First three day it was an amazing atty. Since then the performance was decreasing. After forth day the resistance goes down from 1.5 to 1.3. Today there is almost no vapor but the atty is really hot. I checked the resistance and today is way down to 0.9. Both, craftman m meter and provary reporting the same resistance. I use to see the resistance goes up after some time but not down. It is possible?

 

[sluers]

Hi everyone. I have been using the hh357 for 8 day more or less. First three day it was an amazing atty. Since then the performance was decreasing. After forth day the resistance goes down from 1.5 to 1.3. Today there is almost no vapor but the atty is really hot. I checked the resistance and today is way down to 0.9. Both, craftman m meter and provary reporting the same resistance. I use to see the resistance goes up after some time but not down. It is possible?

Maybe it needs to be cleaned. Do the coils look gunked up?

 

[wigglr]

Hi everyone. I have been using the hh357 for 8 day more or less. First three day it was an amazing atty. Since then the performance was decreasing. After forth day the resistance goes down from 1.5 to 1.3. Today there is almost no vapor but the atty is really hot. I checked the resistance and today is way down to 0.9. Both, craftman m meter and provary reporting the same resistance. I use to see the resistance goes up after some time but not down. It is possible?

The last couple of days Cisco has addressed this issue -- you may want to check previous pages. He did mention giving it a good soak every couple of days is a great idea!

 

[ksmith]

Excellent Post rasci,

There is a learning curve with the 357 in general and not just with the REO. Some people are having a hard time changing their drip/drag habits. With the 357 unfortunately it is a necessity. To create all that vapor you are going to use more juice which totals less drags per feed/drip. The window of optimum performance on the 357 is smaller than with other LR atomizers, some people have figured that out , some people have yet to get a handle on the change. If you use your REO like you have been accustomed to, you will more than likely flood it. The juice on the REO needs to be brought up to the coil by way of suction, if you don't do a cold drag on a 357 to bring the juice up into the wicking material it has the potential to burn, or run dry, at that point some people might think it needs more feeding which will cause even more flooding. The way the air channel is tuned on the 357 it's possible that this does not allow the juice to flow up to the coil as effectively as it does on a regular 510 or 306, this seems to only be apparent on the REO at the moment. A needle bottom feeder injects juice directly into the wicking material, the REO injects juice into the connector cup, the juice is not where it needs to be until you draw on it and create that suction or vacuum, a cold draw after each feed might help.

Cisco..

That make a lot of sense Cisco. As I only have a Reo, it might be best for me to stay with your 306 atties which I really like. Thanks for all you have done to help people with these atties thou.

 

[Dan Patrick]

Have a 1.5 Cobalt Blue and a 2.5 SS on the way! 1.5 is going on the SV Silver Bullet with a new AW IMR 18650 and the vapemate. I was going to put it on the REO mini, but all this talk of bottom feeders flooding had me rethinking that. Though I usually flood with the vapemate, if something needs more juice the big drops this thing puts out might be the way to go. I was going to put the 2.5 on the Monkeyboxx, but might leave it up to the Darwin. Advance user device atomizer here I come!

 

[the ob]

Have a 1.5 Cobalt Blue and a 2.5 SS on the way! 1.5 is going on the SV Silver Bullet with a new AW IMR 18650 and the vapemate. I was going to put it on the REO mini, but all this talk of bottom feeders flooding had me rethinking that. Though I usually flood with the vapemate, if something needs more juice the big drops this thing puts out might be the way to go. I was going to put the 2.5 on the Monkeyboxx, but might leave it up to the Darwin. Advance user device atomizer here I come!

glad you got some. I was wondering about you.

 

[sluers]

Have a 1.5 Cobalt Blue and a 2.5 SS on the way! 1.5 is going on the SV Silver Bullet with a new AW IMR 18650 and the vapemate. I was going to put it on the REO mini, but all this talk of bottom feeders flooding had me rethinking that. Though I usually flood with the vapemate, if something needs more juice the big drops this thing puts out might be the way to go. I was going to put the 2.5 on the Monkeyboxx, but might leave it up to the Darwin. Advance user device atomizer here I come!

It sounds like you qualify as an advanced user with all those mods! LOL I'm just jealous of your mods!