Oh yeah, I'm with you on the 'get professional, or get out of the business' thing with Lrider. They'll not be able to get away with it for long, just cause there are other Chinese vv options coming out with features as nice as lava and nicer, in the same price range. I've never dealt directly with them as a vendor (cause I'm not one, lol) but have dealt with a couple of very straight shooting vendors who would never mislead their clients deliberately, but are passing on tons of misinformation that they're getting from Lrider directly...and the story seems to change by the day. I'm one of those that ordered the 'solid stainless' and was told that it would show up in a week... then two weeks, then a month and a half. lol I still don't have it, and honestly am not sure what, if anything, I'm gonna end up with. I can tell you that if I were selling these mods, I'd definitely do it your way and sell only what i physically have in my very own hands. lol Just MUCH less confusing that way, and at least then you know you can meet the exact promises you're making to your clientele. Its very obvious there's a problem with the sales reps, just cause every vendor seems to have different information, and while there may be a few rotten vendors in the bunch, the vast majority do business on the up and up. So the only place the misinformation can be coming from is the factory reps. Unfortunate. I'm really hoping I end up with a solid stainless lava tube, but I think the more realistic outcome, at this point, is that a few mos will go by, and those same vendors who were taking pre-orders are gonna have people clamoring for refunds, and I'll be one of the ones clamoring for my money back. Honestly, at this point, I'd be fine with that, just cause since I made my order I've discovered that I can get a gorgeous mod from you guys, w handcrafted wood body, for the same price family as lavatube. So either I'll get the steel lava, and get the indulgence wooded from DV, or I'll get the indulgence wooded from you, and turn my lavatube money into a lovely vv wood model from you guys to go with it. Either way, I won't be buying anything based on lrider's promises again in the future, and I'm thrilled to have found you guys. Wish I knew txtumbleweed directly, cause I owe that guy a big hug for leading me here. lol