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Ping, what wire gauge/resistance do you build for your KFL+/Plasma tank? What wattage do you run at?
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Ping, what wire gauge/resistance do you build for your KFL+/Plasma tank? What wattage do you run at?
When Kayfuns were my go-to RTA's, I'd build 28GA, about 1ohm, and use 15W. You can't chain vape that setup at that power, but for casual vaping, the flavor was amazing.
Not exactly sure what chain vaping is. I must be a casual vaper. I certainly know about chain smoking.
Wow - wonderful post!Yep - hard concept to grasp, but what it all comes down to is density of the vapor for whatever coil and airflow you like. Everyone thinks you can only get great flavor from low power, but that's not the case. The cloud chaser setups usually aren't great flavor producers because they go for maximum airflow, which makes the vapor less dense (in a nutshell).
Think about whatever wattage you like to use. Now add a second coil, which halves the resistance. The amount of heat generated by each coil is now half of what the single coil would have produced, so you need to increase power. Same thing as doubling the number of wraps on a single coil, which doubles the resistance, and requires more power so that each mm of the wire is reaching the same temperature as before.
A thicker gauge wire takes more power to heat up, even though the thicker the wire, the lower the resistance. So yes, for these over-simplified examples, both increasing and decreasing resistance requires more power. The opposite is true as well. That's why the single point of data, being what wattage you vape at, is completely meaningless unless you know what coil you're talking about. That's also why those of us with beefier coils (such as the Atlantis, compared with the Nautilus/Kabuki), can produce just as much flavor at higher power, with more airflow, therefore a shorter draw time.
Technical info aside, it becomes an understanding, and once you wrap your brain around it, it makes sense. There are more factors involved when you start getting into very high power and cloud chasing, but that doesn't apply to this crowd.
PS - I recommend getting a coil calculator (there are many on the web, and for Android and iOS) that calculates heat flux, so you can play with wire gauges, number of wraps, and wattage, and see how much heat per mm the coil will produce. Words can only do so much - playing with a calculator and seeing the results is worth far more than words.
I recommend MicroCoil Pro on iOS (not sure if they have it out for Android), and alternatively Reprova Calc or EasyCoil.
EDIT: PPS - This is why safety of low wattage is a farce. A thin wire with a low number of wraps run at 10W can be far more dangerous than a thick wire with a high number of wraps at 100W. It's all about how hot the wire is getting. Many people like to say low wattage is safer, but that's just silly and not always the case.
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Good Post until your edit...Yep - hard concept to grasp, but what it all comes down to is density of the vapor for whatever coil and airflow you like. Everyone thinks you can only get great flavor from low power, but that's not the case. The cloud chaser setups usually aren't great flavor producers because they go for maximum airflow, which makes the vapor less dense (in a nutshell).
Think about whatever wattage you like to use. Now add a second coil, which halves the resistance. The amount of heat generated by each coil is now half of what the single coil would have produced, so you need to increase power. Same thing as doubling the number of wraps on a single coil, which doubles the resistance, and requires more power so that each mm of the wire is reaching the same temperature as before.
A thicker gauge wire takes more power to heat up, even though the thicker the wire, the lower the resistance. So yes, for these over-simplified examples, both increasing and decreasing resistance requires more power. The opposite is true as well. That's why the single point of data, being what wattage you vape at, is completely meaningless unless you know what coil you're talking about. That's also why those of us with beefier coils (such as the Atlantis, compared with the Nautilus/Kabuki), can produce just as much flavor at higher power, with more airflow, therefore a shorter draw time.
Technical info aside, it becomes an understanding, and once you wrap your brain around it, it makes sense. There are more factors involved when you start getting into very high power and cloud chasing, but that doesn't apply to this crowd.
PS - I recommend getting a coil calculator (there are many on the web, and for Android and iOS) that calculates heat flux, so you can play with wire gauges, number of wraps, and wattage, and see how much heat per mm the coil will produce. Words can only do so much - playing with a calculator and seeing the results is worth far more than words.
I recommend MicroCoil Pro on iOS (not sure if they have it out for Android), and alternatively Reprova Calc or EasyCoil.
EDIT: PPS - This is why safety of low wattage is a farce. A thin wire with a low number of wraps run at 10W can be far more dangerous than a thick wire with a high number of wraps at 100W. It's all about how hot the wire is getting. Many people like to say low wattage is safer, but that's just silly and not always the case.
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Oh yeah. Kat, DP and I are running out to get that right now...
I've knocked way back on purchases in the last Year, but I think I'll go for something new from ProVape.
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Pingy, for a year or two I had to have every new gadget that came out. Always looking for something better, the next game changer. There have been a few like variable voltage (and ultimately variable wattage), the kayfun design, and even the boost feature. And now temp control and low resistance/high power. It was so easy to amass a large inventory of gear. One day I said to myself, nothing has really seperatad inself from the Provari/Kayfun setup so I came to my senses and just stopped buying every gadget. I unloaded all my excess and now I have only what I need. I have my P3, KFLs, and Achilles drippers and I'm very happy where I am. Anything more is just spending money on things that, at best, is only a marginal improvement. Temp control, hi-power/lo ohm vaping is not for me. Same story with e-liquid. I'm down to three flavors I vape regualry. All the rest have been PIF'd. I have to say, I LLOOVVEE being lean. If I have money to burn then I'll consider a Radius. But by then they might have something new.
Bronze, you've done what I dream of doing. Thinning this massive herd, some day. Le sigh. Good for you to be in that place! You've inspired me, truly.
In essence, I'm the Kween of Lazy Vapers. Lately I think all I'm doing is babysitting gear. For 50c an hour......
Here's to a lean mean vaping machine!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep - hard concept to grasp, but what it all comes down to is density of the vapor for whatever coil and airflow you like. Everyone thinks you can only get great flavor from low power, but that's not the case. The cloud chaser setups usually aren't great flavor producers because they go for maximum airflow, which makes the vapor less dense (in a nutshell).
Think about whatever wattage you like to use. Now add a second coil, which halves the resistance. The amount of heat generated by each coil is now half of what the single coil would have produced, so you need to increase power. Same thing as doubling the number of wraps on a single coil, which doubles the resistance, and requires more power so that each mm of the wire is reaching the same temperature as before.
A thicker gauge wire takes more power to heat up, even though the thicker the wire, the lower the resistance. So yes, for these over-simplified examples, both increasing and decreasing resistance requires more power. The opposite is true as well. That's why the single point of data, being what wattage you vape at, is completely meaningless unless you know what coil you're talking about. That's also why those of us with beefier coils (such as the Atlantis, compared with the Nautilus/Kabuki), can produce just as much flavor at higher power, with more airflow, therefore a shorter draw time.
Technical info aside, it becomes an understanding, and once you wrap your brain around it, it makes sense. There are more factors involved when you start getting into very high power and cloud chasing, but that doesn't apply to this crowd.
PS - I recommend getting a coil calculator (there are many on the web, and for Android and iOS) that calculates heat flux, so you can play with wire gauges, number of wraps, and wattage, and see how much heat per mm the coil will produce. Words can only do so much - playing with a calculator and seeing the results is worth far more than words.
I recommend MicroCoil Pro on iOS (not sure if they have it out for Android), and alternatively Reprova Calc or EasyCoil.
EDIT: PPS - This is why safety of low wattage is a farce. A thin wire with a low number of wraps run at 10W can be far more dangerous than a thick wire with a high number of wraps at 100W. It's all about how hot the wire is getting. Many people like to say low wattage is safer, but that's just silly and not always the case.
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