Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3 *PART 2*

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Katdarling

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my brain splowded.

More wraps increases resistance, requiring more power. Thicker gauge wire decreases resistance, requiring more power.

Ok, here's my absto fave part: Increased resistance requires more power? Decreased resistance requires more power?

By Giorgio, I think I got it!


BOOM!! My head just splodadid, too, Ms. O.


Gawd I'm so glad I learned to vape by taste!

Sorry, Johnzo, but as tearose would say, it's above my pay grade.
 

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Ok, here's my absto fave part: Increased resistance requires more power? Decreased resistance requires more power?

By Giorgio, I think I got it!


BOOM!! My head just splodadid, too, Ms. O.


Gawd I'm so glad I learned to vape by taste!

Sorry, Johnzo, but as tearose would say, it's above my pay grade.

I'm glad you have taste.
 

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Ok, here's my absto fave part: Increased resistance requires more power? Decreased resistance requires more power?

By Giorgio, I think I got it!


BOOM!! My head just splodadid, too, Ms. O.


Gawd I'm so glad I learned to vape by taste!

Sorry, Johnzo, but as tearose would say, it's above my pay grade.

Is it OK to grunt immediately after taking a vape, or must I wait 30 seconds for the vape to fully clear?

I'm glad you have taste...

...buds?

Mine have improved greatly since switching to vaping. Sense of smell improved like a mudder too.
 

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Loving the Radius but, as I expected, it is not a replacement for my tube ProVis.

The reason why i canceled my radius order. Once I added the P3 TI and since i haven't any need to go above 20 watts the radius was simply a waste of money.

I'd like a box mod with provape quality, but I'll have to save my pennies in order to afford it. Who knows maybe another contest is coming. Like my dad said the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
 

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Ping, I'm sure you'll end up with a Radius. I'm really really happy with mine. And even more surprising is how fantastic I think the Kabuki is. I'm not going to stop using my KFL+'s, but the Kabuki takes pre-built coils to a level I've never experience before. Taste and vapor production is simply amazing. Plus, it's built the way I always wished a Nauty could be built, but never was.
 

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Ping, I'm sure you'll end up with a Radius. I'm really really happy with mine. And even more surprising is how fantastic I think the Kabuki is.

I'm not sure about the radius. I'm not sure if I could give up a week of ⛳.

Bronze turned me towards the kayfun and since adding the plasma tanks to them vaping as been fool proof, so I see no need for the kabuki and buying coils again.
 

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Pingy, for a year or two I had to have every new gadget that came out. Always looking for something better, the next game changer. There have been a few like variable voltage (and ultimately variable wattage), the kayfun design, and even the boost feature. And now temp control and low resistance/high power. It was so easy to amass a large inventory of gear. One day I said to myself, nothing has really seperatad inself from the Provari/Kayfun setup so I came to my senses and just stopped buying every gadget. I unloaded all my excess and now I have only what I need. I have my P3, KFLs, and Achilles drippers and I'm very happy where I am. Anything more is just spending money on things that, at best, is only a marginal improvement. Temp control, hi-power/lo ohm vaping is not for me. Same story with e-liquid. I'm down to three flavors I vape regualry. All the rest have been PIF'd. I have to say, I LLOOVVEE being lean. If I have money to burn then I'll consider a Radius. But by then they might have something new. :)
 

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I have my P3, KFLs, and Achilles drippers and I'm very happy where I am. Anything more is just spending money on things that, at best, is only a marginal improvement.

Don't forget the xtar VP2.
 

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Don't forget the xtar VP2.
How could I?

I brought my VP2 when I went across the state to visit my friend at his father's mountain home. When I plugged it in the display would not come on. I just kept it plugged in. Slowly but surely, one pixel at a time, the screen reappeared. Took about 5 hours but it all came back. Next time I wont pack it in my smelly shoe. I thought I had kilt it. :)
 

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Ok, here's my absto fave part: Increased resistance requires more power? Decreased resistance requires more power?

Yep - hard concept to grasp, but what it all comes down to is density of the vapor for whatever coil and airflow you like. Everyone thinks you can only get great flavor from low power, but that's not the case. The cloud chaser setups usually aren't great flavor producers because they go for maximum airflow, which makes the vapor less dense (in a nutshell).

Think about whatever wattage you like to use. Now add a second coil, which halves the resistance. The amount of heat generated by each coil is now half of what the single coil would have produced, so you need to increase power. Same thing as doubling the number of wraps on a single coil, which doubles the resistance, and requires more power so that each mm of the wire is reaching the same temperature as before.

A thicker gauge wire takes more power to heat up, even though the thicker the wire, the lower the resistance. So yes, for these over-simplified examples, both increasing and decreasing resistance requires more power. The opposite is true as well. That's why the single point of data, being what wattage you vape at, is completely meaningless unless you know what coil you're talking about. That's also why those of us with beefier coils (such as the Atlantis, compared with the Nautilus/Kabuki), can produce just as much flavor at higher power, with more airflow, therefore a shorter draw time.

Technical info aside, it becomes an understanding, and once you wrap your brain around it, it makes sense. There are more factors involved when you start getting into very high power and cloud chasing, but that doesn't apply to this crowd. :)

PS - I recommend getting a coil calculator (there are many on the web, and for Android and iOS) that calculates heat flux, so you can play with wire gauges, number of wraps, and wattage, and see how much heat per mm the coil will produce. Words can only do so much - playing with a calculator and seeing the results is worth far more than words.

I recommend MicroCoil Pro on iOS (not sure if they have it out for Android), and alternatively Reprova Calc or EasyCoil.

EDIT: PPS - This is why safety of low wattage is a farce. A thin wire with a low number of wraps run at 10W can be far more dangerous than a thick wire with a high number of wraps at 100W. It's all about how hot the wire is getting. Many people like to say low wattage is safer, but that's just silly and not always the case.
 

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Pingy, for a year or two I had to have every new gadget that came out. Always looking for something better, the next game changer. There have been a few like variable voltage (and ultimately variable wattage), the kayfun design, and even the boost feature. And now temp control and low resistance/high power. It was so easy to amass a large inventory of gear. One day I said to myself, nothing has really seperatad inself from the Provari/Kayfun setup so I came to my senses and just stopped buying every gadget. I unloaded all my excess and now I have only what I need. I have my P3, KFLs, and Achilles drippers and I'm very happy where I am. Anything more is just spending money on things that, at best, is only a marginal improvement. Temp control, hi-power/lo ohm vaping is not for me. Same story with e-liquid. I'm down to three flavors I vape regualry. All the rest have been PIF'd. I have to say, I LLOOVVEE being lean. If I have money to burn then I'll consider a Radius. But by then they might have something new. :)
Love this, Bronze! Thinking, thinking ...
 
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