Sounded like a good ole fashioned lambasting to me. And I don't typically defend vendors (quite the opposite). Anyway, moving on. No harm no foul. It's in Provape's court.
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The LG was the one that I had never heard of before. She found it somewhere...I forget where. And did Sony cut out their VTC series or was it just the VTC5?
LG is one of the more popular batteries that other companies like to rewrap.
Sony's are suppose to be back. Most vendors are restocking them.
If this is true and the batteries are real then my theory is it has something to do with the joint venture between Sony and Hydro-Québec to establish Esstalion Technologies, Inc.
The Esstalion name is made from the words energy storage system and lithium-ion.
Esstalion is getting ready to begin testing this summer on the first prototype of their large-capacity energy storage system, which consists of 576 Sony lithium-ion batteries.
I figured the restocking of Sony batteries and the testing of their prototype happening at around the same time is more then a coincidence.
For someone who says they werent' trying to lambaste Provape, I'd have to say you most certainly did lambaste them. And to quote your initial post:
"I posted about this once already over in the Saloon but that wasn't enough to stress how I feel about this
Provape still selling Efest batteries just blows me away
For a company like Provape that puts safety first to sale a product from a company like Efest is a joke to me.
You might as well make the P3 200 watt and put a sticker on it saying "Good Luck"
"I'm not sure how that could be interpreted in any other fashion.
Sorry
I'm pretty sure the solder they use is American for God's sake...
Look, I don't want it to look like I'm blindly pledging allegiance or my life to ProVape but for now I trust them in a creepy sort of way until I feel I can't or shouldn't. I have been a customer of theirs since 2012 and while I wish I could talk to their reps on the phone they have always, always taken care of me. Hell, in the past, they have even recommended products other companies sell that they themselves do (not the same brand) such as other juices, carrying cases, holsters et. etc. instead of pushing their own. WHO DOES THAT?! That's why when it comes to batteries, I told Jackie we are getting them from ProVape because at least we can be sure they are not counterfeit. When I purchased a charger for Jackie, I asked one of their reps (who will remain nameless) which one they recommended to see what kind of response I would get. She recommended the Tenergy saying, "that's the one we use" rather than push the more expensive one's. Most companies would push the more expensive ones. Again, I looked at Jackie and said, "I'm pretty sure ProVape wouldn't sell something unsafe" to see her reaction and she nodded (she doesn't trust ANY business.) Myself, I have two Pilia's, one for inside and one in my Jeep but that's getting off the point.
I'm ranting. No one is home, it's the middle of the day, I'm going to listen to Ozzy @ 100 watts per channel so I can be done before 5PM for my neighbor's sake.
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That is how I feelFor someone who says they werent' trying to lambaste Provape, I'd have to say you most certainly did lambaste them. And to quote your initial post:
"I posted about this once already over in the Saloon but that wasn't enough to stress how I feel about this
Provape still selling Efest batteries just blows me away
For a company like Provape that puts safety first to sale a product from a company like Efest is a joke to me.
You might as well make the P3 200 watt and put a sticker on it saying "Good Luck"
I'm not sure how that could be interpreted in any other fashion.
Sorry
But I'm not putting down a Provape product is what I meant.In the vaping world mod specs and Battery specs are pretty important and shouldn't be overrated or inflated in anyway shape or form.
That is how I feel
In the vaping world mod specs and Battery specs are pretty important and shouldn't be overrated or inflated in anyway shape or form.
You were indeed putting Provape down. Better said, maybe you didn't put down a Provape product, but you did put down the company. Just sayin'.
And I think they provided a very reasonable response. According to their tests, the Efest batteries performed well within their specs. I don't personally use Efest, but I know many who do. I use AW. They're also recommended by Provape. They've served me well with my Provari's. Yes they have.
I use only AW's in All of my older ProVari's and even in my Provape-1.
In my P3 I have only used Sony VTC4's or VTC5's but I wouldn't have a problem using a LG HE2 or HE4
And if Efest is a rewrapped LG then that is more then fine with me but they should advertise it.
And use the correct Specs.
Like Orbtronic does when it advertises some of it's batteries it says (Panasonic inside)
This is the point I was trying to make
Which ever words you would like to use overrated, inflated, or lied, Efest is not being totally truthful in their specs.
And Provape is aware of this
And I'm the only one that has a problem with this?
Even if the Efest battery is the best in the world, how can you trust a company (Efest) that does this?
In my P3 I have only used Sony VTC4's or VTC5's but I wouldn't have a problem using a LG HE2 or HE4
And if Efest is a rewrapped LG then that is more then fine with me but they should advertise it.
And use the correct Specs.
Like Orbtronic does when it advertises some of it's batteries it says (Panasonic inside)
This is the point I was trying to make
Which ever words you would like to use overrated, inflated, or lied, Efest is not being totally truthful in their specs.
And Provape is aware of this
And I'm the only one that has a problem with this? Even if the Efest battery is the best in the world, how can you trust a company (Efest) that does this?
I buy Provaris for the quality. This includes the durability, reliability, usability, repairability, and knowledge of the product and the attachments that go in and on the Provari as it relates to the Provari. It's a whole package and that's what I paid for. $250 is a lot for a PV but I am getting my money's worth with the Provari product. My father (RIP) was a career engineer and inventor and was, among other things, critical in the advancement of night vision and television (including HD). He was a geek in every respect imaginable. Nothing he worked on was done shoddily or incomplete. I know geeks when I see them and Provape are geeks! Makes me feel secure. 
Sony is one of my favorite batteries so I have been doing a little research on them.
So in short here is what I found,
Aug 2009 Sony launched a new type of lithium ion battery.
June 2010 Sony announced the development of an energy storage module using lithium-ion rechargeable batteries.
For two years Sony was talking with Nissan to have Nissan buy Sony's Lithium-Ion Battery Division.
But by Dec. 2013 Sony changed their mind.
In June 2014 is when Sony had that joint venture to make Esstalion, and that same summer Sony sent out representatives to meet with some of the vaping community to ask questions about how their batteries are being used in the vaping industry.
Esstalion has a press release saying they will be testing a Prototype energy storage unit that will contain 576 Sony Li-ion batteries in the summer of 2015.
June 2015 Sony batteries are being restocked worldwide.
So in short here is what I found,
Aug 2009 Sony launched a new type of lithium ion battery.
June 2010 Sony announced the development of an energy storage module using lithium-ion rechargeable batteries.
For two years Sony was talking with Nissan to have Nissan buy Sony's Lithium-Ion Battery Division.
But by Dec. 2013 Sony changed their mind.
In June 2014 is when Sony had that joint venture to make Esstalion, and that same summer Sony sent out representatives to meet with some of the vaping community to ask questions about how their batteries are being used in the vaping industry.
Esstalion has a press release saying they will be testing a Prototype energy storage unit that will contain 576 Sony Li-ion batteries in the summer of 2015.
June 2015 Sony batteries are being restocked worldwide.
BTW;
Sony never discontinued the VTC battery.
Their factory was by Fukushima and was forced to be shut down due to the radiation.
They moved the factory to the Philippines which in the moving process stopped the production of the VTC battery just until the factory was up and running.
Sony never discontinued the VTC battery.
Their factory was by Fukushima and was forced to be shut down due to the radiation.
They moved the factory to the Philippines which in the moving process stopped the production of the VTC battery just until the factory was up and running.
Didn't know that. Last I heard (some 6 - 8 months ago) was that no one could find the VTC5. So I assume that is not the case anymore.
I did hear rumors of the factory in the Philippines was having quality control issues and Sony once again moved the factory but I can't find any press releases or anything on this.
And the only battery recalls I could find on Sony was 100,000 of their Laptop batteries were recalled.
These cells are used in so many things from Autos too laptops it's hard to separate which company or factory did what.
Yea I did the math to see what it would cost to buy one of these batteries and take out the 18650 cells
If I remember right it came out to around $6 a cell 
If you didn't notice I have way to much time on my hands
I noticed that awhile back.
Since my first P2.5 arrived last year, I've only ever used AW batteries purchased from Andrew Wong in Hong Kong in all my ProVaris. I'm pretty fanatical about battery safety so I wouldn't have any problems using a Sony VTC4/5, Samsung 25r or LG HE2/HE4 in my P3's either but given its (relatively low) max. amp rating, I save those cells for other mods.
I don't like Efest's business practices so I'd never consider buying one.
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I don't like Efest's business practices so I'd never consider buying one.
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