Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3 *PART 2*

[Sirius]

I don't. But I'm VERY sensitive to the concept of vape-marketing to kids, as I've found it to be the single most absurd excuse our governing a-oles have manufactured to date. They're ALL absurd, but that one bugs me the most (because they know that people will buy into it). This, of course, from a public who have proven that we'll buy into just about anything.

The current attack on the vaping industry is one of the most insidious diversions that our sponsored legislators have tried to pull over our eyes. It's borderline criminal, when considered in total.

Yet it's perfectly fine to portray a young child driving a car, even if only in a dream? The truth is that it IS OK. I get that much. But there is absolutely NOTHING going on with vape that is any worse. The analogies THEY are drawing between vape and children are ALL much less direct than having one visually portray a fantasy with a P3 & kayfun in his/her mouth.

Am I angry about this current misguided assault? You bet your ... I am. Meanwhile, the Mayo Clinic is publicly announcing that they are GIVING e-cigs to their patients approaching surgery, in the interests of helping them recover, and possibly survive their surgery. Geez? What's not adding up here?

This is now, and always has been, about the money. The money that the states aren't getting, that they borrowed from the Fed and SPENT BEFORE THEY GOT IT. They (CA, NJ, NY, etc,) are all sucking wind, and have convinced their pocketed legislators to allow them to portray vape as THE GREAT ENEMY WITHIN.

BULLspit.

These puh-ricks could all be hung in the public square and not only wouldn't I mind, I'd give ANOTHER standing ovation. Start with the fat ba$+ard in NJ who saw fit to restrict vaping at a VAPE EXPO this weekend. And, to suit me, don't stop until you get to the skinny ba$+ard at the very top of the heap, consciously dividing us any way he can. Seriously, "The Digital Divide"? Have you seen THIS one yet? If you haven't, you will. Count on it.

Digital-...-Divide. ARE YOU ... KIDDING ME????

Orange jumpsuits. ALL of them. Better yet, public square and a gallows pole ("Hangman, hangman...").

from the other side of the universe DP.

 

[The Ocelot]

<<<Waves to Sirius

 

[Katdarling]

I don't. But I'm VERY sensitive to the concept of vape-marketing to kids, as I've found it to be the single most absurd excuse our governing a-oles have manufactured to date. They're ALL absurd, but that one bugs me the most (because they know that people will buy into it). This, of course, from a public who have proven that we'll buy into just about anything.

The current attack on the vaping industry is one of the most insidious diversions that our sponsored legislators have tried to pull over our eyes. It's borderline criminal, when considered in total.

Yet it's perfectly fine to portray a young child driving a car, even if only in a dream? The truth is that it IS OK. I get that much. But there is absolutely NOTHING going on with vape that is any worse. The analogies THEY are drawing between vape and children are ALL much less direct than having one visually portray a fantasy with a P3 & Kayfun in his/her mouth.

Am I angry about this current misguided assault? You bet your ... I am. Meanwhile, the Mayo Clinic is publicly announcing that they are GIVING e-cigs to their patients approaching surgery, in the interests of helping them recover, and possibly survive their surgery. Geez? What's not adding up here?

This is now, and always has been, about the money. The money that the states aren't getting, that they borrowed from the Fed and SPENT BEFORE THEY GOT IT. They (CA, NJ, NY, etc,) are all sucking wind, and have convinced their pocketed legislators to allow them to portray vape as THE GREAT ENEMY WITHIN.

BULLspit.

These puh-ricks could all be hung in the public square and not only wouldn't I mind, I'd give ANOTHER standing ovation. Start with the fat ba$+ard in NJ who saw fit to restrict vaping at a VAPE EXPO this weekend. And, to suit me, don't stop until you get to the skinny ba$+ard at the very top of the heap, consciously dividing us any way he can. Seriously, "The Digital Divide"? Have you seen THIS one yet? If you haven't, you will. Count on it.

Digital-...-Divide. ARE YOU ... KIDDING ME????

Orange jumpsuits. ALL of them. Better yet, public square and a gallows pole ("Hangman, hangman...").

Hi Dog Star!

If anyone is so inclined, here is the vid regarding the Mayo Clinic and e cigs.



The restriction of vaping at VAPE EXPO stunned me! We're so topsy turvy now it is truly impossible to see up from down! And the great digital divide? I'd like to divide his digitals...... oh yeah.

Oh, you're just happy that I got it out of my system. One less tirade for you to yawn through.

BYE! Groceries need me. Or, vice versa. Something - whatever.

Pardon me...... I was looking forward to a 10 minute (<-- that's a yawn, ECF??)

 

[DPLongo22]

from the other side of the universe DP.

I literally burst out laughing here. Where DID you come in from??? Thank you, Sirius. I appreciate it. Waving with TO, right back at ya.

Thanks for helping clean up my mess, Kat (with the video). The things you put up with (smh).

And sorry for the outburst, P3 Threaders. I try to save that stuff for my phone kawls with KD, who (amazingly) never tells me to shut-up*. Sometimes I fail. Human, I.

* Not ENTIRELY true, but...

 

[tearose50]

for Kabuki.

I like it, a lot.

My Kayfuns and Nauti cages are getting much less use these days!

Yes, it's that good --- for me.

 

[LittleBird]

And sorry for the outburst, P3 Threaders. I try to save that stuff for my phone kawls with KD, who (amazingly) never tells me to shut-up*. Sometimes I fail. Human, I.

* Not ENTIRELY true, but...

No apology necessary, DP. You are among friends; rant away! FYI, I started vaping 2 weeks before surgery, at my doctor's suggestion...

 

[DPLongo22]

for Kabuki.

I like it, a lot.

My Kayfuns and Nauti cages are getting much less use these days!

Yes, it's that good --- for me.

And another sacrilegious reference, but I like it. Just for the fun of it, of course.

No apology necessary, DP. You are among friends; rant away! FYI, I started vaping 2 weeks before surgery, at my doctor's suggestion...

Thank you, LB. Your story is what makes this all so amazing part for me. Even though our doctors are finally doing the correct thing, our legislators remain firmly locked into what SHOULD be a physically impossible position.

I mean, HOW did they get them up there in the FIRST PLACE? Does one bend very far FORWARD, or very much BACKWARD?

 

[Sirius]

I literally burst out laughing here. Where DID you come in from??? Thank you, Sirius. I appreciate it. Waving with TO, right back at ya.

Thanks for helping clean up my mess, Kat (with the video). The things you put up with (smh).

And sorry for the outburst, P3 Threaders. I try to save that stuff for my phone kawls with KD, who (amazingly) never tells me to shut-up*. Sometimes I fail. Human, I.

* Not ENTIRELY true, but...

I get confused sometimes @DPLongo22 and the Woofship lands just anywhere..So glad Kat is keeping you in line bro.

 

[rbrylawski]

Awwwwwwwww...... you're so sweet, Browster. Thank you again.

I am sweet, yes I am!

I'm not sure what you mean about kids having it easier to get their hands on an e-cig...years and years ago (at least a century ago ), I used to drive my grandfather's truck around the farm and I certainly didn't have a license. It doesn't take a license to drive a car...just a vehicle, a kid with the willingness to try, and keys that are unattended.

You mentioned it is easier for kids to get an e-cig - but the online sites I visit ask about the age of the visitors - do the auto shops with online sites ask the age of the visitor to make sure they are the legal age to drive? The B&M vapor shops I visit ask for ID when visitors come in to view the products - I have yet to have an auto shop ask to see the driver's license...

Best Regards,
F2V

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand about kids having access to e-cigs? They're sold in convenience stores, WalMart, Drug Stores, etc., as well as traditional vape shops. I think the vape shops do an excellent job of not selling to minors. But the convenience stores? Sorry, I've seen kids way too young vaping. And yes, online shops ask you if you're over 18. They give two choices. Under 18 and 18+. You don't think a kid can just check the box that they are of legal age? Give me a break.

And this is to DP. I'm your friend DP. But let's be realistic. Juice bottles with cartoon characters? Who do you think that's geared to? Adults? Puhleeze. I don't think the vape industry as a whole markets to minors. But it's easy for a kid to get vape gear from many distribution points. It is and we all know it is.

Edit: Charlie's niece is 16 years old. He was visiting his family a couple months ago and his 16 year old niece buys e-cigs from the convenience store near their home. All her friends do. We can hide behind the sky is falling and government wants more revenue, but we should also be realistic in accepting that it's no more difficult for a kid to get an e-cig than a real cig. And it shouldn't be that easy. No it shouldn't.

 

[DPLongo22]

I get confused sometimes @DPLongo22 and the Woofship lands just anywhere..So glad Kat is keeping you in line bro.

Well, it sure is honor that you popped in here to give my post a thumbs-up. I thank you for that.

"In line", you say? Yeah, well... (hold that thought).

 

[Mowgli]

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Did you get Stanton Glantz to pose for that or just catch him in the wild doing how he do?

 

[Sirius]

I am sweet, yes I am!



I'm not sure what's difficult to understand about kids having access to e-cigs? They're sold in convenience stores, WalMart, Drug Stores, etc., as well as traditional vape shops. I think the vape shops do an excellent job of not selling to minors. But the convenience stores? Sorry, I've seen kids way too young vaping. And yes, online shops ask you if you're over 18. They give two choices. Under 18 and 18+. You don't think a kid can just check the box that they are of legal age? Give me a break.

And this is to DP. I'm your friend DP. But let's be realistic. Juice bottles with cartoon characters? Who do you think that's geared to? Adults? Puhleeze. I don't think the vape industry as a whole markets to minors. But it's easy for a kid to get vape gear from many distribution points. It is and we all know it is.

Edit: Charlie's niece is 16 years old. He was visiting his family a couple months ago and his 16 year old niece buys e-cigs from the convenience store near their home. All her friends do. We can hide behind the sky is falling and government wants more revenue, but we should also be realistic in accepting that it's no more difficult for a kid to get an e-cig than a real cig. And it shouldn't be that easy. No it shouldn't.

I know I'm a bit out of place here,..The Boopster left the door open so I nosed my way in here,..but I remember a 15 year old kid that bought cigs from a gas station all the time..That kid was me.....If a parent lets their kids do as they please that's the way they conduct themselves in life.
Kids behavior starts at home.

Okay sorry,..I'll clean my own poop up.

 

[Sirius]

Well, it sure is honor that you popped in here to give my post a thumbs-up. I thank you for that.

"In line", you say? Yeah, well... (hold that thought).

 

[DPLongo22]

Did you get Stanton Glantz to pose for that or just catch him in the wild doing how he do?

BEAUTIFUL!!!

 

[DPLongo22]

I know I'm a bit out of place here,..The Boopster left the door open so I nosed my way in here,..but I remember a 15 year old kid that bought cigs from a gas station all the time..That kid was me.....If a parent lets their kids do as they please that's the way they conduct themselves in life.
Kids behavior starts at home.

Okay sorry,..I'll clean my own poop up.

I started smoking at 12. And I know a ton who started long before 18.

SR - hang tight, please.

 

[Katdarling]

Ok ok ok..... I have some thoughts.

'Brow, I'm not so sure why it might be difficult to understand that kids SHOULD have access to ecigs. What is the reason that you think it's such a horror? What age is too young to vape?

As for realism, and concerning vendors that market labels with childish cartoon characters, I would post that question directly to them. And voice an opinion should one have some struggle with it. Personally, I do not care for little kiddie labels. I don't find them cute, or whimsical, but some adults do. Just as the super strength chocolate milk that Ms. Celot posted, there are adults who often appreciate the less maturated side of life. Voting with my wallet, if I don't care for the representation, I simply do not buy from them.

I'm actually happy to hear that Charlie's niece is buying ecigs rather than smoke cigs. Had I ONLY had an ecig when I was that age...
So why should it not be easy for kids to get them?

You might be interested in this thread. The question is "Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?"
Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine? | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Katdarling]

I know I'm a bit out of place here,..The Boopster left the door open so I nosed my way in here,..but I remember a 15 year old kid that bought cigs from a gas station all the time..That kid was me.....If a parent lets their kids do as they please that's the way they conduct themselves in life.
Kids behavior starts at home.

Okay sorry,..I'll clean my own poop up.

DogStar, admit it. You broke the lock on that door. Welcome. How are you enjoying your Provi?

 

[DPLongo22]

I am sweet, yes I am!

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand about kids having access to e-cigs? They're sold in convenience stores, WalMart, Drug Stores, etc., as well as traditional vape shops. I think the vape shops do an excellent job of not selling to minors. But the convenience stores? Sorry, I've seen kids way too young vaping. And yes, online shops ask you if you're over 18. They give two choices. Under 18 and 18+. You don't think a kid can just check the box that they are of legal age? Give me a break.

And this is to DP. I'm your friend DP. But let's be realistic. Juice bottles with cartoon characters? Who do you think that's geared to? Adults? Puhleeze. I don't think the vape industry as a whole markets to minors. But it's easy for a kid to get vape gear from many distribution points. It is and we all know it is.

Edit: Charlie's niece is 16 years old. He was visiting his family a couple months ago and his 16 year old niece buys e-cigs from the convenience store near their home. All her friends do. We can hide behind the sky is falling and government wants more revenue, but we should also be realistic in accepting that it's no more difficult for a kid to get an e-cig than a real cig. And it shouldn't be that easy. No it shouldn't.

I like you too, Rod. Quite a lot, at that.

We will disagree on this subject though, and I'd be very happy for you and me to go private, and have a discussion. I knew this post would strike a nerve with Kat, so I waited until she posted before replying. I happen to agree with her, and unless we're going to restrict kids from buying coffee, tea, and (worse even) Coca Cola, I'm not sure that there's true value to the concern.

Most kids begin smoking long before the age of 18. If they're vaping instead, I consider that to be a very good thing.

Choice? That they do neither. But that's unlikely, so it might be silly for any of us to expect it.

 

[Sirius]

Ok ok ok..... I have some thoughts.

'Brow, I'm not so sure why it might be difficult to understand that kids SHOULD have access to ecigs. What is the reason that you think it's such a horror? What age is too young to vape?

As for realism, and concerning vendors that market labels with childish cartoon characters, I would post that question directly to them. And voice an opinion should one have some struggle with it. Personally, I do not care for little kiddie labels. I don't find them cute, or whimsical, but some adults do. Just as the super strength chocolate milk that Ms. Celot posted, there are adults who often appreciate the less maturated side of life. Voting with my wallet, if I don't care for the representation, I simply do not buy from them.

I'm actually happy to hear that Charlie's niece is buying ecigs rather than smoke cigs. Had I ONLY had an ecig when I was that age...
So why should it not be easy for kids to get them?

You might be interested in this thread. The question is "Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?"
Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine? | E-Cigarette Forum

Well said Boopster,.and with that,..the Woofship's motor is all cooled off now and ready to fly.

TTYL my beautiful friend.

 

[Sirius]

DogStar, admit it. You broke the lock on that door. Welcome. How are you enjoying your Provi?

Bwahahahaha..You know I womp a Reo darlin'..Oh,..oh shhhhhh,..hell too late here comes the Provarinati with pitchforks in hand!