Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3 *PART 2*
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I'll lob this to both Kat and DP. I'm not really upset that kids can vape. Lord knows it's far better for them to do than smoke cigarettes. But let's face it, nicotine is a drug. A drug that is addictive. If I were a parent, even one who once smoked and had since moved to e-cigs, I would hope my kid would not adopt a potentially life long addiction to a drug, they can live quite well without. And not one of us can honestly say with 100% conviction or proof there is absolutely nothing harmful in vaping. We just know it is less harmful than smoking. But we also truly hope in 10-15-20 years, we don't find we are fighting some new vape related disease we didn't know we could get. Still, for us former smokers, the risk is worth the price of admission over continuing to smoke, which is a sure day to die from disease.
I don't have any answers to this. I don't want the FDA to regulate away my rights to vape as opposed to pandering to BT and me needing my nicotine fix from tobacco leaves. But I also don't want it to be so easy for kids to start using a drug they may be dependent on for the rest of their lives.
Those are my thoughts. Yes they are.
And I appreciate your thoughts, greatly. I'm pretty sure I can speak for DPL as well here, as I know he also values your input and ideas.
Yes, nic is a drug. Yes, we know it is, and in investigating a bit further, we've also come to find out that 1) it has properties that actually might be helpful against certain physical ailments and b) it is most likely addictive, if it is, when used in a combustible cigarette.
If you have the time, patience and all etcs., you might want to glance thru this:
Is Nicotine Addictive ?
and this "short" blurb:
https:// Nicotine and Health
Do I agree that not smoking and not vaping is the preferential target? Of course I do, but the realist in me knows that is prolly never going to be the case for me. I also don't relish seeing a young person adopting my lifestyle, but IF (the big ole word) they choose to smoke, I hope to Gawd they have access to a vape instead. I'm not so sure that a dependent situation would in fact be the end result.
We risk. We risk with every step we take, and every word we speak.
'Brow, whether or not we ever agree completely is of no concern to me. I like you, I like your thoughts, and that's a done deal as far as I'm concerned!
Engage.
Yes, nic is a drug. Yes, we know it is, and in investigating a bit further, we've also come to find out that 1) it has properties that actually might be helpful against certain physical ailments and b) it is most likely addictive, if it is, when used in a combustible cigarette.
If you have the time, patience and all etcs., you might want to glance thru this:
Is Nicotine Addictive ?
and this "short" blurb:
https:// Nicotine and Health
Do I agree that not smoking and not vaping is the preferential target? Of course I do, but the realist in me knows that is prolly never going to be the case for me. I also don't relish seeing a young person adopting my lifestyle, but IF (the big ole word) they choose to smoke, I hope to Gawd they have access to a vape instead. I'm not so sure that a dependent situation would in fact be the end result.
We risk. We risk with every step we take, and every word we speak.
'Brow, whether or not we ever agree completely is of no concern to me. I like you, I like your thoughts, and that's a done deal as far as I'm concerned!
Engage.
I'm sure we can all find all sorts of articles to support any position we feel supports our views. Here's an article from the NIH supporting that nicotine is addictive. It's all academic, tbh.
Is Nicotine Addictive? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
But my dear dear Kat! I adore you and nutthin's gonna change that, even if'n we don't agree [completely] on this subject. Yes I do!
Is Nicotine Addictive? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
But my dear dear Kat! I adore you and nutthin's gonna change that, even if'n we don't agree [completely] on this subject. Yes I do!
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Yes, of course. It really wasn't the point. The point was (perhaps poorly executed) is there are all sorts of studies on both sides one can point to. Do I believe nicotine is addictive? You bet your sweet bippy I do. I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 3 years. I had a cold a couple months ago, and found vaping very difficult on my lungs and I stopped for a day. I was so freaking anxious, angry, emotional, i.e., all the same feelings I had when I would quit cigarettes cold turkey (something I and probably many here did often, without success). The only thing I'm still getting in my vape is nicotine and one day without it, made me go crazy.
Before you send it to Provape, have you checked the Provape dealer site to see if any dealers near you are an upgrade center? Go to the Provape site and under Help, choose Locator. Put your zip code in and a list of dealers will come up. Upgrade Centers are noted beneath their address. If none are near you, to send your P3 to Provari, you again under Help create a service ticket with Provape.
All you have to do is use the "Submit a Request" link from the "Contact Us" page and tell 'em you want to upgrade your P3.
Anyone else having trouble with their P3 forgetting all the settings? Mine erases the memory sometimes when I change the battery. Very annoying!
From what I have gathered, nicotine is in the same family of stimulants as caffeine. Is caffeine good for us? Probably not and we'd have better health if we didn't consume it. Are there worse things in life? Most definitely. We remember the line..."What goes up, must come down". Well, what lives also must die. I'm not going to go out of my way to make that happen, but neither am I going to go out of my way for it not to happen. Just depends on your definition of what "going out of your way" is.
If under 18 children are able to purchase e-cigs from convenience stores, then perhaps e-cigs shouldn't be sold at convenience stores? Why punish the industry for this issue? Punish the culprits i.e. the stores that sell to underage children and/or the children. I understand that mistakes are made, but I grew up in an age and area where you were accountable for your actions. You can't protect people that don't want or think they need protecting. It is like trying to make something idiot proof - some idiot will always figure out a way around it.
Sorry ... /end rant.
Best Regards,
F2V
Thank you - I've been looking at the Kabuki, but I'm very much into flavor and couldn't find a review that opinioned about the flavor. Whereas I really like the KFL+, the draw is a bit tight and requires a tool to refill (I haven't accessorized it - yet). Plus, it may require rebuilding if something goes wrong. I've gotten quite a few suggestions from the RTA forum moderated by Sedge, but like to carry a back up that doesn't require rebuilding, for when I'm out.
Best Regards,
F2V
RB - Perhaps you are correct - it isn't a given that kids will grow up and vape one day, but I won't agree that it is a given that kids will grow up and drive one day, either. Although my nephew has a driver's license, he doesn't own a car - he uses uber and/or some other services to get to school and work. In New York, I understand that it can be difficult to find parking spaces.
The Subaru commercial was funny IMO, but in a ridiculous fashion. This is how I feel the anti-vape crowd reacts. Where does it stop?
My sincere apologies, if I offended anyone.
Best Regards,
F2V
I don't, but I seem to recall one other poster with that problem. Hopefully, someone with a better memory will chime in with a name.
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