Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

[Bronze]

In watching Todd's review, he put the boost on the scope. He set his Provari at 4.0 volts and the boost jacked up the volts to 5.9 for the specified time at each Boost setting. I noticed he was using a 1.7 ohm atty. At 4.0 volts, that comes to 9.4 watts. When the boost is employed, it cranked it up to 5.9 volts which yields 20.4 watts. So if my thinking is right based on Todd's scope, the boost will elevate the power to 20 watts (max power). That would make sense to me. The boost feature will pour all it has into your atty. If you have a low watt setting, your boost will have higher impact than if you have a higher watt setting. You can adjust its impact by the boost level (1 thru 5). The dna 40 actually uses coil temperature to cut off the boost dwell. Different way but it performs similarly.

 

[Bronze]

I'm not sure I would pay too much credence to either of those videos at this point.

Both are of Beta software.

Big improvements in the latest rev 36, from what I can tell.

Jim

It's possible. But short of having that information, we can go by only what we have.

 

[HBcorpse]

In watching Todd's review, he put the boost on the scope. He set his Provari at 4.0 volts and the boost jacked up the volts to 5.9 for the specified time at each Boost setting. I noticed he was using a 1.7 ohm atty. At 4.0 volts, that comes to 9.4 watts. When the boost is employed, it cranked it up to 5.9 volts which yields 20.4 watts. So if my thinking is right based on Todd's scope, the boost will elevate the power to 20 watts (max power). That would make sense to me. The boost feature will pour all it has into your atty. If you have a low watt setting, your boost will have higher impact than if you have a higher watt setting. You can adjust its impact by the boost level (1 thru 5). The DNA 40 actually uses coil temperature to cut off the boost dwell. Different way but it performs similarly.

Don't quote me, but someone, somewhere, posted a chart they made from their scope, illustrating the boost feature.
What they found was that it doesn't just boost up to some pre-set power level...it actually boosts a percentage of what you've set it to, for whatever length of time corresponds to the setting you've selected.
The length of time per boost setting has already been listed by Provape, but I don't think they've explained the algorithm used to create the boost. But I know, according to that chart, it doesn't just ramp up to max power every time.

I'll try to find the post this person made, but I don't even remember what thread it was on. It was pretty thorough...colors, bar graph, numbers...hahahaha I was impressed, and informed!
If anyone else finds it, please post it!!!

 

[Bronze]

Don't quote me, but someone, somewhere, posted a chart they made from their scope, illustrating the boost feature.
What they found was that it doesn't just boost up to some pre-set power level...it actually boosts a percentage of what you've set it to, for whatever length of time corresponds to the setting you've selected.
The length of time per boost setting has already been listed by Provape, but I don't think they've explained the algorithm used to create the boost. But I know, according to that chart, it doesn't just ramp up to max power every time.

I'll try to find the post this person made, but I don't even remember what thread it was on. It was pretty thorough...colors, bar graph, numbers...hahahaha I was impressed, and informed!
If anyone else finds it, please post it!!!

That could very well be true. It might just be coincidence that going from 4.0v to 5.9v on a 1.7 ohm atty happens to show a jump to 20 watts (max power). I would also like to know what happens if you're set at 20 watts....my guess is the P3 will not violate its watt limits rendering the boost irrelevant at that setting (or ineffectual when approaching 20 watt settings).

 

[HBcorpse]

That could very well be true. It might just be coincidence that going from 4.0v to 5.9v on a 1.7 ohm atty happens to show a jump to 20 watts (max power). I would also like to know what happens if you're set at 20 watts....my guess is the P3 will not violate its watt limits rendering the boost irrelevant at that setting (or ineffectual when approaching 20 watt settings).

Yes you're right...
I remember that chart (which I'm still trying to find) mention that the P3 is "THREE LAWS SAFE"...hahahaha like a robot.
It won't violate it's lower ohm boundary, the amperage limit, or the wattage output...
0.7 ohm, 5.5A, 20W...so no matter how one tries to "finagle" the build, you're either inside those limits, or you won't vape on the P3. Simple as that.

 

[HBcorpse]

It seems like this thread is screaming for some data from this device, so over the weekend I collected some data and threw it in a chart. Initially I was interested in what the HotShot Boost was doing so decided to do some testing to see if I could determine what was going on with this feature. Before I knew it I had enough data to give a glimpse of not only the boost feature, but show the level of accuracy across a fair sampling of the P3s regulation range. The data is not complete enough to provide a full mapping of the of the P3. I didn't collect this data for the purpose of posting it here, it was just for me to see what was going on with the P3, but after looking at the data I thought it was interesting enough to post here. I included the data table so you can all massage the data any way you like and form your own conclusions.

Please bear in mind this is a beta device and Provape may change the device or programming before the final retail release to be even more accurate (if that is even possible), so this is just an indication of what the beta P3 is doing.

I did this test with an inline volt meter, so while trying to be as accurate as possible I'm sure it's not as accurate as a scope, which I don't have. But even with just an inline meter I'm very surprised at the accuracy of the P3.

WARNING: If you have an aversion to charts that show extreme accuracy please do not view the attached chart!

I tried just attaching this file as both a PDF (not a supported file type for ECF) and as a jpg which worked but was way too small to see detail. So Here is a link to a Drop Box folder that you can view and download the PDF. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5g1mxm3z2w27zx/Beta P3 Voltage Test in Wattage Mode.pdf?dl=0

BOOM!!!!
Here it is!!!
Damn that was back there a-ways!!!
Granted, it's an old post, done on a Beta, but it's the closest to actual testing we've got!
EDIT:
Ignorant statement retracted.
Humility restored.

 

[Mowgli]

Here's that link to the chart you're looking for.

It seems like this thread is screaming for some data from this device, so over the weekend I collected some data and threw it in a chart. Initially I was interested in what the HotShot Boost was doing so decided to do some testing to see if I could determine what was going on with this feature. Before I knew it I had enough data to give a glimpse of not only the boost feature, but show the level of accuracy across a fair sampling of the P3s regulation range. The data is not complete enough to provide a full mapping of the of the P3. I didn't collect this data for the purpose of posting it here, it was just for me to see what was going on with the P3, but after looking at the data I thought it was interesting enough to post here. I included the data table so you can all massage the data any way you like and form your own conclusions.

Please bear in mind this is a beta device and Provape may change the device or programming before the final retail release to be even more accurate (if that is even possible), so this is just an indication of what the beta P3 is doing.

I did this test with an inline volt meter, so while trying to be as accurate as possible I'm sure it's not as accurate as a scope, which I don't have. But even with just an inline meter I'm very surprised at the accuracy of the P3.

WARNING: If you have an aversion to charts that show extreme accuracy please do not view the attached chart!

I tried just attaching this file as both a PDF (not a supported file type for ECF) and as a jpg which worked but was way too small to see detail. So Here is a link to a Drop Box folder that you can view and download the PDF. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5g1mxm3z2w27zx/Beta P3 Voltage Test in Wattage Mode.pdf?dl=0

BOOM! Ya got it already

 

[AstroTurf]

Well Done HB!

A jump to 20 watts would be smoking wicking material otherwise.

IMO, Jim

 

[Bronze]

Thanks for digging up that chart fellas. Based on my first glimpse, it appears anything set at 15 watts or above the boost has no effect.

 

[AstroTurf]

Here is a screen cap from my iPhone...

 

[Mark Todd]

I don't trust Todd, because his fumbling review of the P3 made me never want to watch another one of his videos.

Don't forget to hit this then



Kidding aside, I hated the beta menu system, I was bored out my skull reviewing it which obviously came across loud and proud

Anyway, I bought a retail version and got to say that it is a marked improvement on the beta version. Having the back option in a sub menu saves so much mucking about and being able to just go into one menu option, do VV/VW up and down is a blessing compared to the beta.

 

[Bronze]

Don't forget to hit this then

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Kidding aside, I hated the beta menu system, I was bored out my skull reviewing it which obviously came across loud and proud

Anyway, I bought a retail version and got to say that it is a marked improvement on the beta version. Having the back option in a sub menu saves so much mucking about and being able to just go into one menu option, do VV/VW up and down is a blessing compared to the beta.

Truthfully, it did come across as a boring task. But then teaching any menu is right up there with watching trees grow. I found the scope analysis the best part of the review. I'm going crazy trying to find out what is going on with the boost feature. The scope review suggests it is boosting at a level that maxes out the Provari. It will be interesting to see what Busardo gets with all his fancy analysis.

You haven't killed TJ (the dog) yet have you?

 

[HBcorpse]

Don't forget to hit this then

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Kidding aside, I hated the beta menu system, I was bored out my skull reviewing it which obviously came across loud and proud

Anyway, I bought a retail version and got to say that it is a marked improvement on the beta version. Having the back option in a sub menu saves so much mucking about and being able to just go into one menu option, do VV/VW up and down is a blessing compared to the beta.

Wow Todd! I've got a bit of egg on my face now...hahaha!!! I can't be seen as insulting a fellow Scotsman...
It was highly unfair of me to make that statement, as I formed that opinion the day your video posted...and being that I didn't have my P3 yet, I was quite fierce in defending it.
I'm not a fanboy, but I had been on the Provape train long enough to be savagely hungry for their next new thing.

Now that I've got mine (Beta running v31) I love it, and your video makes loads more sense. I am glad to hear you've gotten a new one, and are enjoying the newer software!

P.S. In retrospect, it was Phil B. that got me turned on to the path of the Kayfun, but your video of the Kayfun Lite (June-July of last year?) made me pull the trigger...and it's been my go-to atomizer ever since...so, cheers!

 

[Mark Todd]

Nah you were quite right with your first comment, I did fumble my way through it

I would recommend going for the software update when you can get it though, well worth it.

Bronze, TJ still managing to escape my clutches LOL

 

[Bronze]

Nah you were quite right with your first comment, I did fumble my way through it

I would recommend going for the software update when you can get it though, well worth it.

Bronze, TJ still managing to escape my clutches LOL

Were you able to pin down exactly what that boost is doing? Getting classified information from the CIA seems easier than getting info from ProVape.

Didn't think TJ was gonna survive your Veritas review. Why do we like our pets, I wonder.

 

[Mark Todd]

My skills on the scope are, well some may say limited but it could also be classed as just being crap with it!!

Still standing by what I found in that review mate.

 

[Bronze]

My skills on the scope are, well some may say limited but it could also be classed as just being crap with it!!

Still standing by what I found in that review mate.

Well, if you were using that 1.7 ohm atty at 4.0 volts (9.4 watts) and then it went to 5.9 volts in boost mode on your scope that would come to 20 watts...the limit on the P3. Tells me it will boost to the limits of the P3. Might just have been coincidence. Who the hell knows.

Keep up the good work and go easy on TJ.

 

[AstroTurf]

Nah you were quite right with your first comment, I did fumble my way through it

I would recommend going for the software update when you can get it though, well worth it.

Bronze, TJ still managing to escape my clutches LOL

Todd, In your Defense...

A fair review of the Beta Version, Thanks!

Here is your second take on the Retail Version here:



Thanks Again, Jim

 

[winder]

Being someone who does lung hits, I find the boost feature to be pretty much useless. Maybe if you're into gentle little puffs (comparatively speaking) this has more significance. I routinely overrun devices with a 10 second timer. For me, what happens during the first second or two seems to get lost in the remainder of the vape. I've tried this function on both of my P3s, and I honestly don't notice a difference.

 

[Bronze]

Being someone who does lung hits, I find the boost feature to be pretty much useless. Maybe if you're into gentle little puffs (comparatively speaking) this has more significance. I routinely overrun devices with a 10 second timer. For me, what happens during the first second or two seems to get lost in the remainder of the vape. I've tried this function on both of my P3s, and I honestly don't notice a difference.

Someone like you wouldn't need boost. For low power vapers like me who want to use thicker wire it is perfect.