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Hi guys, after reading all the IQ stuff, I may have a somewhat plausible explanation: if not Vape360 will do a 360 in his pants from laughing!! hehehe
IQ, the way I see it, measures the resistance from the circuit board positive and the ground (for now, we'll call it the end cap, but it's really from ground of the board attached to the tube all the way to the positive terminal of the same board going through the battery and the extensions and the cap and spring,,,) did I lose you guys yet?
Now when the resistance is measured (don't confuse this with the resistance of the coil... it is not measured here) , a loose connection, like a loose cap or dirty treads) will give you a high resistance. And the IQ would show a low number... you guys probably knew this. Right?
What we must know is that every battery has internal resistance (IR), the older the battery the higher the resistance... (If you have nothing to do and feel like shoving chopsticks in you ears, Google: Explaining Lithium-ion Chemistries Battery University)
What it is important to understand: IR of batteries is dependent of multiple factors... How old it is, how GOOD quality it is, what it's rating is ect... so you could have the best, cleanest, perfect contacts, caps and treads... if your battery's IR is hight.... your IQ will be low...
What I'm try to say, I guess, is that you shouldn't be to "...." about keeping the connections super uber extra Supercalifragilisticexpialidociously clean.
I think as we get more experiences with the P3's IQ reading and batteries, we will see that in most cases it is the IR of the battery that is the reason for the low number!
Note that in my point of view, it makes great sense in a "safety" way because a battery that has a high IR is more likely to be dangerous (vent or explode) at high amperage (amp) and if the P3's brain knows that the IR of this battery is high (of if you have bad connections, this would actually create heat at the bad connection) it wont allow the unit to fire a high amp setting!..
I think I should go to bed now, I have a cold and I took some pills and it's making me delirious!
cheers all.
Reg
edit: I didn't mean not to keep them caps, springs and treads clean... that is always important also!
IQ, the way I see it, measures the resistance from the circuit board positive and the ground (for now, we'll call it the end cap, but it's really from ground of the board attached to the tube all the way to the positive terminal of the same board going through the battery and the extensions and the cap and spring,,,) did I lose you guys yet?
Now when the resistance is measured (don't confuse this with the resistance of the coil... it is not measured here) , a loose connection, like a loose cap or dirty treads) will give you a high resistance. And the IQ would show a low number... you guys probably knew this. Right?
What we must know is that every battery has internal resistance (IR), the older the battery the higher the resistance... (If you have nothing to do and feel like shoving chopsticks in you ears, Google: Explaining Lithium-ion Chemistries Battery University)
What it is important to understand: IR of batteries is dependent of multiple factors... How old it is, how GOOD quality it is, what it's rating is ect... so you could have the best, cleanest, perfect contacts, caps and treads... if your battery's IR is hight.... your IQ will be low...
What I'm try to say, I guess, is that you shouldn't be to "...." about keeping the connections super uber extra Supercalifragilisticexpialidociously clean.
I think as we get more experiences with the P3's IQ reading and batteries, we will see that in most cases it is the IR of the battery that is the reason for the low number!
Note that in my point of view, it makes great sense in a "safety" way because a battery that has a high IR is more likely to be dangerous (vent or explode) at high amperage (amp) and if the P3's brain knows that the IR of this battery is high (of if you have bad connections, this would actually create heat at the bad connection) it wont allow the unit to fire a high amp setting!..
I think I should go to bed now, I have a cold and I took some pills and it's making me delirious!
cheers all.
Reg
edit: I didn't mean not to keep them caps, springs and treads clean... that is always important also!
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I'm always amazed at how much crud comes off of the threads on a new mod.
It's always worth doing a deep cleaning.
It's always worth doing a deep cleaning.
Check out 36:26-37:34 in the Pbusardo review:
Does this mean that the P3, in theory, could do coil temperature regulation (a la the DNA40) with just a firmware upgrade?
Does this mean that the P3, in theory, could do coil temperature regulation (a la the DNA40) with just a firmware upgrade?
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What I think is, yes. At some point, we may see temperature control on the P3...how it will achieve this, however, is yet to be determined.
From what I know of this stuff, it will calculate the resistance of the coil, the selected temperature, and do the math for us on the proper voltage/wattage setting, to create the desired temperature.
That being said, Phil Busardo was referring to the P3's ability to protect itself from a high heat situation, especially in regards to a situation that might cause the board to get hot...like a dirty connection, or bad battery. If your P3's board gets too hot, it won't fire. Same as an iPhone (and probably other smartphones...I only have experience with iPhones.)...
Hi guys, after reading all the IQ stuff, I may have a somewhat plausible explanation: if not Vape360 will do a 360 in his pants from laughing!! hehehe
IQ, the way I see it, measures the resistance from the circuit board positive and the ground (for now, we'll call it the end cap, but it's really from ground of the board attached to the tube all the way to the positive terminal of the same board going through the battery and the extensions and the cap and spring,,,) did I lose you guys yet?
Now when the resistance is measured (don't confuse this with the resistance of the coil... it is not measured here) , a loose connection, like a loose cap or dirty treads) will give you a high resistance. And the IQ would show a low number... you guys probably knew this. Right?
What we must know is that every battery has internal resistance (IR), the older the battery the higher the resistance... (If you have nothing to do and feel like shoving chopsticks in you ears, Google: Explaining Lithium-ion Chemistries – Battery University)
What it is important to understand: IR of batteries is dependent of multiple factors... How old it is, how GOOD quality it is, what it's rating is ect... so you could have the best, cleanest, perfect contacts, caps and treads... if your battery's IR is hight.... your IQ will be low...
What I'm try to say, I guess, is that you shouldn't be to "...." about keeping the connections super uber extra Supercalifragilisticexpialidociously clean.
I think as we get more experiences with the P3's IQ reading and Batteries, we will see that in most cases it is the IR of the battery that is the reason for the low number!
Note that in my point of view, it makes great sense in a "safety" way because a battery that has a high IR is more likely to be dangerous (vent or explode) at high amperage (amp) and if the P3's brain knows that the IR of this battery is high (of if you have bad connections, this would actually create heat at the bad connection) it wont allow the unit to fire a high amp setting!..
I think I should go to bed now, I have a cold and I took some pills and it's making me delirious!
cheers all.
Reg
edit: I didn't mean not to keep them caps, springs and treads clean... that is always important also!
Wow, behind on my forum reading this evening I see.
Looks like I missed some pages. Hard to keep up with you all
Is Robino still ......? We need to fix that first. Quick, someone send her a large box of delicious mouthwatering chocolates and a nice card with a Seascape.
The above answer… I couldn't have said it better. Thank you for that Regzzz. It's a masterpiece. We have a job opening here for you if you are interested
The battery meter can drop quickly to empty if there is a poor connection, which can also be seen with a low IQ because of that increase in resistance on the battery. It's all related. It's not anything to do with the P3 malfunctioning but rather a poor connection or bad battery which can cause that increase. When you are pulling a lot of amps out of the battery and the resistance increases, further impacted by poor connections, it slams the battery to the point where the P3 thinks it's out of juice and it cannot provide anymore.
The IQ is simply a new tool to tell you more about what is going on inside.
Some of the previously mentioned comments about this happening on beta units was related to the small spring on those units. It's the main reason why the spring was upgraded in the production units to improve that connection, and raise the IQ.
Having a loose ext ring, a weak spring, end cap not on tight, dirty connection or a bad battery are all things that can cause that IQ to drop and the device to think the battery is empty because of that increase in internal resistance.
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Wow, behind on my forum reading this evening I see.
Looks like I missed some pages. Hard to keep up with you all
Is Robino still ......? We need to fix that first. Quick, someone send her a large box of delicious mouthwatering chocolates and a nice card with a Seascape.
The above answer… I couldn't have said it better. Thank you for that Regzzz. It's a masterpiece. We have a job opening here for you if you are interested
The battery meter can drop quickly to empty if there is a poor connection, which can also be seen with a low IQ because of that increase in resistance on the battery. It's all related. It's not anything to do with the P3 malfunctioning but rather a poor connection or bad battery which can cause that increase. When you are pulling a lot of amps out of the battery and the resistance increases, further impacted by poor connections, it slams the battery to the point where the P3 thinks it's out of juice and it cannot provide anymore.
The IQ is simply a new tool to tell you more about what is going on inside.
Some of the previously mentioned comments about this happening on beta units was related to the small spring on those units. It's the main reason why the spring was upgraded in the production units to improve that connection, and raise the IQ.
Having a loose ext ring, a weak spring, end cap not on tight, dirty connection or a bad battery are all things that can cause that IQ to drop and the device to think the battery is empty because of that increase in internal resistance.
Thank you Vape360...another smash hit, right out of the park!
It is endlessly refreshing, encouraging, and endearing to see you take a personal interest in the use of your products! Many companies wouldn't even dream of doing that.
I think you and Billie (from ByLeo) are the only ones who provide this level of service.
Thanks again!
No-Ox Info They make a point of noting they don't use metals in it, such as zinc (like No-A-Lox).
Like Bronze, I don't use anything on my mod threads, especially the ones that get used frequently like end caps. OTOH, If I was staying at one battery size, I might use something on the extension tube threads so they won't freeze.
Like Bronze, I don't use anything on my mod threads, especially the ones that get used frequently like end caps. OTOH, If I was staying at one battery size, I might use something on the extension tube threads so they won't freeze.
Curious about what batteries I can use with the provari 3. Since it accepts flat top batteries, can batteries like the 3600 mAh Panasonic ones be used?
Wow, behind on my forum reading this evening I see.
Looks like I missed some pages. Hard to keep up with you all
Is Robino still ......? We need to fix that first. Quick, someone send her a large box of delicious mouthwatering chocolates and a nice card with a Seascape.
The above answer… I couldn't have said it better. Thank you for that Regzzz. It's a masterpiece. We have a job opening here for you if you are interested
The battery meter can drop quickly to empty if there is a poor connection, which can also be seen with a low IQ because of that increase in resistance on the battery. It's all related. It's not anything to do with the P3 malfunctioning but rather a poor connection or bad battery which can cause that increase. When you are pulling a lot of amps out of the battery and the resistance increases, further impacted by poor connections, it slams the battery to the point where the P3 thinks it's out of juice and it cannot provide anymore.
The IQ is simply a new tool to tell you more about what is going on inside.
Some of the previously mentioned comments about this happening on beta units was related to the small spring on those units. It's the main reason why the spring was upgraded in the production units to improve that connection, and raise the IQ.
Having a loose ext ring, a weak spring, end cap not on tight, dirty connection or a bad battery are all things that can cause that IQ to drop and the device to think the battery is empty because of that increase in internal resistance.
Just throwing this out here. I purchase all my batteries at ProVape
I will be ordering more today. I'm also going to upgrade my charger to the more expensive one that you have on the site. I got the cheaper one from you, back when I got my first ProVari. I think it is time for a new charger...you know...just in case. It's always good to have back up
Are there any different batteries that I should be getting for the P3? Will you be getting the newer AW batteries in the near future?
Just throwing this out here. I purchase all my batteries at ProVape
I will be ordering more today. I'm also going to upgrade my charger to the more expensive one that you have on the site. I got the cheaper one from you, back when I got my first ProVari. I think it is time for a new charger...you know...just in case. It's always good to have back up
Are there any different batteries that I should be getting for the P3? Will you be getting the newer AW batteries in the near future?
Not trying to take a sale from Provape. Honest, but last night someone (I'm sorry for not remembering who) mentioned they got the new AW batteries from RTD Vapor. I just ordered 4 AW18490 1200 MAH (the new ones) from them at $9.62 each!
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Hi guys, after reading all the IQ stuff, I may have a somewhat plausible explanation: if not Vape360 will do a 360 in his pants from laughing!! hehehe
IQ, the way I see it, measures the resistance from the circuit board positive and the ground (for now, we'll call it the end cap, but it's really from ground of the board attached to the tube all the way to the positive terminal of the same board going through the battery and the extensions and the cap and spring,,,) did I lose you guys yet?
Now when the resistance is measured (don't confuse this with the resistance of the coil... it is not measured here) , a loose connection, like a loose cap or dirty treads) will give you a high resistance. And the IQ would show a low number... you guys probably knew this. Right?
What we must know is that every battery has internal resistance (IR), the older the battery the higher the resistance... (If you have nothing to do and feel like shoving chopsticks in you ears, Google: Explaining Lithium-ion Chemistries Battery University)
What it is important to understand: IR of batteries is dependent of multiple factors... How old it is, how GOOD quality it is, what it's rating is ect... so you could have the best, cleanest, perfect contacts, caps and treads... if your battery's IR is hight.... your IQ will be low...
What I'm try to say, I guess, is that you shouldn't be to "...." about keeping the connections super uber extra Supercalifragilisticexpialidociously clean.
I think as we get more experiences with the P3's IQ reading and Batteries, we will see that in most cases it is the IR of the battery that is the reason for the low number!
Note that in my point of view, it makes great sense in a "safety" way because a battery that has a high IR is more likely to be dangerous (vent or explode) at high amperage (amp) and if the P3's brain knows that the IR of this battery is high (of if you have bad connections, this would actually create heat at the bad connection) it wont allow the unit to fire a high amp setting!..
I think I should go to bed now, I have a cold and I took some pills and it's making me delirious!
cheers all.
Reg
edit: I didn't mean not to keep them caps, springs and treads clean... that is always important also!
Makes total and complete sense to me. And the IQ can be calculated any way ProVape wants. Perhaps ProVape has decided to define a "bad" battery sooner than most people are accustomed to. Again, in the name of safety (which also explains why there is a 5-watt step down once the IQ gets too low).
I was looking at them... The ones that I am looking for are the largest ones. The 18650. RTD does not have them in stock.
I see. For me the 18490 batteries last all day so they're all I order.
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RTD usually isn't out of stock long. Hang in there. With a 20A rating, the 2200 should have a lower impedance than the older 10A 2000 mAH I use.
And with our P3's literally being only days old, and given ProVape inspects the hell out of these devices before shipping, it would be highly unlikely there would be bad or dirty connections this soon (unless someone doesn't screw the cap on all the way). That leaves only the battery as the likely culprit. And when Robin's best batteries are the two new ones she just bought, well....2 + 2 = 4
I wonder though 360, will the P3 define a battery as being "bad" sooner than P2 users?
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