Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

[HBcorpse]

If they ran a 25% off sale to clients that already had bought from them ... they would have 1000s sold overnite ... and 1000s of P3s would be out there being shown to other vapers ... or better, smokers.


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Yeah...um...except they probably don't HAVE thousands in stock yet...

Everyone is whining about how this company has chosen to do things, but nobody seems to remember one thing...
YOU DON'T OWN PROVAPE!
They've obviously been doing things right, if they can afford to develop and release a new model, in their line of legendary, rock solid, SAFE devices!
And with the countless numbers of previous models sold, and the obvious upgrade that the P3 is, they obviously felt that this was the way to do it.
If you don't agree, and this is gonna keep you from buying one, then don't buy one! Step out of line, and GET OUT OF MY WAY!

My only theory, on why they are THANKING their B&M retailers, by letting them release them first, is just that! To thank them!
They're probably trying to give these stores a shot at selling them FIRST, in order to stave off the inevitable sales drought that will happen when Provape releases the P3 online!

But nooooo! AverageJoe31 and ~WackyDude~ and n00bsaucex7 thread posters have to become Keyboard Cowboys, and start trashing the company that makes their favorite device! (Those are names I created in my head. Any real members with those names are purely coincidence.)

Do you think, because you own one (or several) Provaris, that it makes you an expert on how to run Provape?
I don't think so.

So let THEM run THEIR company! Drop the negativity, and get back on topic, or shut up and go chat about another mod!

I'm sorry for going aggro, but this thread was started to talk about the P3!!! Not to sit here and puke all over it, or the bad a-- company that made it, and the 2.5 in your other hand!

P.S. My apologies to WillyZee...you kinda got caught in the crosshairs a bit, did you?
:sorry:


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[Rancor0681]

You know I was all set to buy one.
I have since changed my mind.

I have 2 reasons.
First reason I love my Dragon. I couldn't use it if I had a new one.

Money isn't my problem.
Yes I could afford it, I own 3.

I have a problem with the way things are being handled.
What I mean is the dealers are controlling who will get one.

Put your name on a list to buy one. Nope not gonna happen.
Provape is even giving its control over to the dealers.
I don't think it is very fair to do this.

IMO Provape I don't think this is the way to handle things.
Might be a better idea to offer it on your website and at the dealers.

I am going to a Vape meet tomorrow night. I am pretty sure this topic will come up.
No one likes to be left out. I think it is a terrible way to do business.

Sorry if you might not agree.

..........

 

[DPLongo22]

If you don't agree, and this is gonna keep you from buying one, then don't buy one! Step out of line, and GET OUT OF MY WAY!

HB, I know you! You're that travel agent from New Yawk, right? Johnny T.?

 

[DPLongo22]

And on a more serious note, I literally wrack my brain trying to figure out why people who DON'T want something, come into any thread to discuss that very something. It's a phenomenon that I'll simply never understand.

Don't take this personally, people who vape stuff I don't want, but I really don't care enough about your stuff to even click myself into your threads, much less take up time discussing your stuff.

So, if y'all get a kick out doing that, well, have fun now (y'hear?).

Funny, FUNNY $h!+.

 

[Paul.K]

And on a more serious note, I literally wrack my brain trying to figure out why people who DON'T want something, come into any thread to discuss that very something. It's a phenomenon that I'll simply never understand.

I think it's because they really DO want the Provari. They want the quality. They want the durability. They wish their mods were built by aerospace engineers and rocket scientists. They want to support made in USA. Most of the complaints seem to be about the lack of power to sub ohm which should be moot point by now. The haters should just buy something else and move on. You want to show your consumer might, just vote with your wallet and don't buy it.

 

[qorax]

I think it's because they really DO want the Provari. They want the quality. They want the durability. They wish their mods were built by aerospace engineers and rocket scientists. They want to support made in USA. Most of the complaints seem to be about the lack of power to sub ohm which should be moot point by now. The haters should just buy something else and move on. You want to show your consumer might, just vote with your wallet and don't buy it.

^Well said.

 

[rbrylawski]

Yeah...um...except they probably don't HAVE thousands in stock yet...

Everyone is whining about how this company has chosen to do things, but nobody seems to remember one thing...
YOU DON'T OWN PROVAPE!
They've obviously been doing things right, if they can afford to develop and release a new model, in their line of legendary, rock solid, SAFE devices!
And with the countless numbers of previous models sold, and the obvious upgrade that the P3 is, they obviously felt that this was the way to do it.
If you don't agree, and this is gonna keep you from buying one, then don't buy one! Step out of line, and GET OUT OF MY WAY!

My only theory, on why they are THANKING their B&M retailers, by letting them release them first, is just that! To thank them!
They're probably trying to give these stores a shot at selling them FIRST, in order to stave off the inevitable sales drought that will happen when Provape releases the P3 online!

But nooooo! AverageJoe31 and ~WackyDude~ and n00bsaucex7 thread posters have to become Keyboard Cowboys, and start trashing the company that makes their favorite device! (Those are names I created in my head. Any real members with those names are purely coincidence.)

Do you think, because you own one (or several) Provaris, that it makes you an expert on how to run Provape?
I don't think so.

So let THEM run THEIR company! Drop the negativity, and get back on topic, or shut up and go chat about another mod!

I'm sorry for going aggro, but this thread was started to talk about the P3!!! Not to sit here and puke all over it, or the bad a-- company that made it, and the 2.5 in your other hand!

P.S. My apologies to WillyZee...you kinda got caught in the crosshairs a bit, did you?
:sorry:


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While I agree with you on "some" levels, there are others I don't. This thread is being read closely by Provape as they are participating in the thread, so they're getting the same email message that a new response has been posted, just like the rest of us. And while I don't know the guys who own Provape (I did watch the video), I'm guessing they do care what their customers have to say. So whether you agree or don't agree with why someone might be turned off to the launch process Provape has chosen, I think it's important they see everyone's point of view. There's just nothing wrong with people expressing their thoughts on why they don't like something.

And I know I've said this before (twice now) but even though I'm getting one, I really do think Provape could handle the launch better. PROVAPE ARE YOU LISTENING??

 

[lulu836]

Did everyone remember to bring their weapon of choice?

What's the diff between Fans posting how much they already admire an as yet to be distributed PV and the Haters posting how much they dislike an as yet to be distributed PV?

 

[HBcorpse]

While I agree with you on "some" levels, there are others I don't. This thread is being read closely by Provape as they are participating in the thread, so they're getting the same email message that a new response has been posted, just like the rest of us. And while I don't know the guys who own Provape (I did watch the video), I'm guessing they do care what their customers have to say. So whether you agree or don't agree with why someone might be turned off to the launch process Provape has chosen, I think it's important they see everyone's point of view. There's just nothing wrong with people expressing their thoughts on why they don't like something.

No, I totally get you. That's a very realistic point.
But I think the point I was trying to make, has been better clarified by DPlongo22 and Paul K.

Provape does care what their customers say, believe me. And, like you said, there's nothing wrong with people saying what they do/don't like! It's just the haters that come into this thread, and start bad mouthing things, when they were never interested in a Provari to begin with. They just pop in to say "New model? Nope. Still not 1.21 gigawatts. That's why a Provari is lame!"
And that's what is wrong.
Provape must know there is a whole segment of the population that they will never please. And I'm sure they're fine with that! Nobody can please everybody!
But that doesn't give that segment the right to come here, in a thread about a product they don't want (and haven't wanted), and start trashing it, in the face of the people who DO want it...and the company who makes it!
Like DP and Paul said, some people do want it, but they're reluctant, because maybe they feel loyal to another brand, or style of vaping? Or maybe they're too prideful to admit that the P3 is finally the Provari they want? Who knows? I'm open to all possibilities.
But that still doesn't give them the right to come in here and dump on something, just because they're stubborn, or jealous, or don't understand a "newfangled contraption"!!!
And don't even get me started on the Provari loyals, who come in here and start getting negative, or act so neutral it's not helpful.
You're gonna forego the P3, cuz you love your 2.5? Great! I'm sure that makes Provape very happy, to know they made such a great product! But we don't need to hear that! It's not helpful to the thread! Yes, this is a sounding board for Provape to "hear everyone's thoughts"...but regardless of how you're doing it, trashing something isn't the right way to go! There have been a lot of posts, that if worded differently, could have made the same point, but been taken as constructive criticism, rather than "Hater-Ade"...

D-mn I get too many exclamation points in my posts! Someone take the ! key off my keyboards!!!
Now where's my coffee? Rant over.



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[Tamer El-Meehy]

Why is there always some sort of fanaticism and ultranationalism whenever the name Provari is mentioned? It's just a product like a fridge, a watch, or a pen. People are entitled to like or dislike any product without making a big fuss about it or being so ...... off with people because they have different views or preferences. One never hears of "loyalists" or "haters" when discussing cherokee cars or whirlpool washing machines.


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[freshness]

Seriously?

Oh, okay, after looking at it a bit.

I read that as DFW selling Betas at first.

It actually does say that they're going to sell a limited quantity of betas, so your instinct was correct.

 

[HBcorpse]

Why is there always some sort of fanaticism and ultranationalism whenever the name Provari is mentioned? It's just a product like a fridge, a watch, or a pen. People are entitled to like or dislike any product without making a big fuss about it or being so ...... off with people because they have different views or preferences. One never hears of "loyalists" or "haters" when discussing cherokee cars or whirlpool washing machines.


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The debate is always the same.
Someone mentions Provari, and someone else jumps all over them about why a Provari doesn't stack up to other mods.
Never have I seen a Provari fan jump all over a mech mod user, or any other mod user, for why their device doesn't stack up to a Provari.
That's not to say it hasn't happened, but I've never seen it...and from what I've read on the ECF, there are a lot of people out there who haven't seen it either.

Side note: You're right about the washing machine thing, but don't think there aren't loyals and haters when it comes to cars. Not only are there brand loyalists, there are inter-brand loyalists...example: a group of Ford fans, split between Mustangs and Falcons...


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[WillyZee]

One never hears of "loyalists" or "haters" when discussing cherokee cars or whirlpool washing machines.

Try saying that on the Whirlpool forum


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[Nodnerb]

Whirlpool sucks.....

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

LOL@Willyzee and Nodnerb...oh boy..what have I gotten myself into? Seems a Provari discussion is much more peaceful than a whirlpool one


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[aikanae1]

Ford vs. Chevy, PC vs Mac, it wouldn't be a successful new product launch without stirring up controversy.

Don't forget that over half of vapers are using ego's; many aren't aware there's anything to progress to or consider most mods "too fiddly" and choose not to. It doesn't mean they don't want to though. ECF is not the"typical" marketplace - and I'm not including cigalikes. There's a fair share of b&m's outside of the "vaping community" also and they are usually informed by customers as to what is happening.

I think it was smart to release to b&m's, even if inconvenient for some without b&m's (hopefully they'll exist soon) for several reasons; ideally b&m's know what their customers want, ask for and look for in a device. That's closer to the actual marketplace. Product distribution and placement can be equal to a hot new device when it comes to sales.

It's a way to support retail sales and involve them in decision making. A retailer is going to promote a product much better when they don't feel they are in direct competition with the manufacturer. In the past it was likely a customer walked in, looked and handled a provari, taken up sales floor time, and then say, "i'll order what I want online" on their way out. I'm sure that doesn't go over big. How many people go to a store to check something out before ordering online? There's nothing wrong with it, but it's a reason retailers need special treatment from a manufacturer.

There's a time when business' have to decide which way they want to go; stay with individual sales or distribute to business' that sell retail. I've seen this with eliquid companies that are now in retail shops. Online sales from a manufacturer becomes supportive and limited - like with Kangertech / Joyetech, but their main emphasis is on products in stores. It's more productive to handle accounts ordering bulk products. IDK if that's what Provari is thinking, but I don't think it'd be out of the box if they did focus more attention on retailers.

I am kinda worried when manufacturers such as Joyetech are promoting atty's that are designed to work at 30W's. But I don't understand Provari3's power system. It's not just a matter of watts and that can be misleading. It's far more complicated than that. Just the fact P3 has power boost of some kind tells me that they may not be as limited as some may be assuming - but IDK ...

 

[rbrylawski]

No, I totally get you. That's a very realistic point.
But I think the point I was trying to make, has been better clarified by DPlongo22 and Paul K.

Provape does care what their customers say, believe me. And, like you said, there's nothing wrong with people saying what they do/don't like! It's just the haters that come into this thread, and start bad mouthing things, when they were never interested in a Provari to begin with. They just pop in to say "New model? Nope. Still not 1.21 gigawatts. That's why a Provari is lame!"
And that's what is wrong.
Provape must know there is a whole segment of the population that they will never please. And I'm sure they're fine with that! Nobody can please everybody!
But that doesn't give that segment the right to come here, in a thread about a product they don't want (and haven't wanted), and start trashing it, in the face of the people who DO want it...and the company who makes it!
Like DP and Paul said, some people do want it, but they're reluctant, because maybe they feel loyal to another brand, or style of vaping? Or maybe they're too prideful to admit that the P3 is finally the Provari they want? Who knows? I'm open to all possibilities.
But that still doesn't give them the right to come in here and dump on something, just because they're stubborn, or jealous, or don't understand a "newfangled contraption"!!!
And don't even get me started on the Provari loyals, who come in here and start getting negative, or act so neutral it's not helpful.
You're gonna forego the P3, cuz you love your 2.5? Great! I'm sure that makes Provape very happy, to know they made such a great product! But we don't need to hear that! It's not helpful to the thread! Yes, this is a sounding board for Provape to "hear everyone's thoughts"...but regardless of how you're doing it, trashing something isn't the right way to go! There have been a lot of posts, that if worded differently, could have made the same point, but been taken as constructive criticism, rather than "Hater-Ade"...

D-mn I get too many exclamation points in my posts! Someone take the ! key off my keyboards!!!
Now where's my coffee? Rant over.



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Whether you or I like the "dumpers" or not, the reality is they do have "the right" to "dump" in an open forum like ECF. We may not appreciate or in any way agree with them, but they do have the right. I would expect you'd agree with this after the rounds you went against "VJ" in the "What's so great about Provari" thread. ;-)


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[WorksForMe]

I think it’s a great testament to Provape’s caring about what people think about their products, that they allow all these negative posts on this thread. They moderate this forum, and could easily delete any posts they don’t like.

BTW…It’s times like these that I miss the old Provari forum. We didn’t get as many haters, because the posts didn’t show up in “What’s New”.

J.R.

 

[Cookster]

As a very happy and proud owner of 3 Minis, my only question is.....what colors is it gonna come in????

 

[HBcorpse]

Whether you or I like the "dumpers" or not, the reality is they do have "the right" to "dump" in an open forum like ECF. We may not appreciate or in any way agree with them, but they do have the right. I would expect you'd agree with this after the rounds you went against "VJ" in the "What's so great about Provari" thread. ;-)


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You are totally right...
But I'm mainly focused on the people who are "dumping" all over Provape's business decisions...
Dumping on the device is one thing...a battle that will never end.
But dumping on Provape because they chose to keep their physical retailers happy, is just baffling to me.

Everyone has the right to say what they want, in an open forum...you're correct.

"A wise man speaks, because he has something to say...a fool speaks, because he has to say something..."


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