Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

[ThePaladin]

I give VapinArt 2 BIG thumbs up. Larry, the owner, is a fantastic guy, and he runs a very, very tight ship...

 

[Pinggolfer]

So, Vapinart agreed to match the Vaperev price of $70.

kayfun Lite + Ordered!

We'll see if I really need to change the cotton every other day.

And Bronze thank you SO MUCH for offering to make my first coil. I'm going to have to learn to make them one way or the other, so while I truly appreciate the offer, I'm a gonna make my first coil for it. Yes I am!

Note to self read all posts first.

 

[ThePaladin]

Chicken, which marinated in fajita spices all night long, has been smoking for a bit now. Slicing veggies for some fresh pico. Going to be another good night.

 

[Bronze]

Chicken, which marinated in fajita spices all night long, has been smoking for a bit now. Slicing veggies for some fresh pico. Going to be another good night.

You're mean!

 

[JohnD0406]

What happens if you don't change the cotton every other day?

The Kayfun will ignite, shooting flames down your throat, and morphing you into a fire breathing dragon! LOL, I wish

You can't really put a time on something like that without knowing how someone uses their device. "Every other day" to someone who chain vapes all day, burning through 15ml/day, is the same as someone who burns through 3ml/day and changes theirs every 10 days. I typically won't finish a 30ml bottle of juice before needing to change the wick, so I try to change mine every 15ml or so. I can burn through that in 3 days. It also depends on the resistance of your coil, and the wattage you vape at. Thinner wire, higher resistance, and higher wattage will gunk up the coil a lot quicker than thicker wire, lower resistance, and lower wattage. Also the juice is a big factor - sweeter juices gunk up the coil a lot faster than other juices. I've had some really good juice that I'll never buy again because of how amazingly fast it gunks up coils.

 

[Pinggolfer]

I've had my 2.5 for over 3 years now and it has been a great device; I've never regretted buying it. Thus when the P3 came out I really wanted one but just couldn't see the 249 price tag. When they put it on sale for 199 I took the plunge. I've had it for 5 days now and have had considerable problems with an error that indicates I need to replace my atty. Found that if I take the battery out and put it back in it will work again for a while...how long, no one knows, and then it will error out again. Repeat cycle. The ohms aren't too low as I have it at 1.3. I put it on the 2.5 and no problems but back on the 3.0 and again after a short time it errors out. Any help would be appreciated. I only have a couple more days to send it back which I don't want to do but can't stay with it the way it is. Any suggestions?

One other thing, when it does work okay I've tried taking it up to 3.5 to 4 amps and it indicates the power it too high. I though P3 was suppose to go to 5.5 amps. Any comments on this would be appreciated as well.

Battery issues at all? Also how are you raising the amps on the P3? Or do you mean volts?

 

[WillyZee]

If you don't like building coils, don't get a Kayfun. The deck is much harder to build on than a dripper. I've done enough builds that it's not difficult for me, but I would never recommend one to a beginner, or to someone who doesn't like building coils.

No leaks? LOL, sorry, but Kayfuns are PICKY! You need to do a GOOD build to not get leaks. Ask any vape shop employee. Kayfun's are synonymous with leaks. Now, there are plenty of people who got lucky and did it right from the start, however I consider myself an advanced coil builder, and even I had to call the vape shop for advice about my first one leaking so much, and learn the tricks when they do start leaking. If you don't like to build coils and tweak things, which it sounds like you don't, I wouldn't recommend a Kayfun.

When I bought my first used authentic Kayfun Lite v2+, I watched 2 you tube build videos and then wrapped 8 wraps of 30ga on one of those little blue screwdrivers.

It took me 10 minutes and vaped perfect ... I now have 7 authentic used Kayfuns and still build them all the same way as that first coil.

I have never had one leak.

 

[stanleybb50]

Don't give up just yet. If it's leaking, there's a good reason that can be explained. I have two, and they don't leak. I think it's time to get back to basics with these sub-ohm tanks. Many people in this P3 thread are low-wattage vapers - perhaps sub-ohm is not for you. Wasn't long ago when those of us who sub-ohm'd our drippers were mocked. "Why would you need that much power?", "Why do you want to blow large clouds?", etc. Well folks, the sub-ohm tanks were made for people like me. Anyway, back to basics.

There is an important relationship between the resistance of the coil, the amount of wick, the amount of airflow, the tightness of the draw, and the thickness of the liquid. The lower the resistance, the higher the power, the higher the airflow, the looser the draw. The amount of wicking and thickness of the liquid determine how often you can take a draw without getting a dry or burned hit.

In almost every case of a tank leaking I've helped someone with, the tank was not being used properly. I said "almost" - doesn't mean every time. There are some other factors to consider, but basics first. I use my SubTanks on my P3 at 20W at the widest airflow setting for most juices, and the two hole setting for thicker juices. Never had a leak. Not even a drop. And I've never cleaned them either - refills and juice changes - too lazy when there's no evident need.

What wattage are you using your SubTank at? The MINIMUM the 1.2-ohm coil can handle is 12W. If you have it set 12-15W, you need a loose draw (large airflow), otherwise you'll be sucking in too much juice into the chamber and not vaporizing enough off. That extra juice has to go somewhere you know... and we have a leak. Keep in mind that leaks are the opposite of dry hits - you have to be somewhere in the middle for it to work right. That goes for any tank, including the Kayfun. The Kayfun has a relatively tight draw, but a small chamber, so you usually build a smaller coil at a higher resistance, and use it in the 12-16W range (lower you flood and leak; higher you dry hit). If you don't like leaks, you really should steer clear of the Kayfun - it's a steep learning curve, keeping everything I've said in mind. There are a lot of tricks you'll need to know if it does leak, and chances are, until you learn the ropes, it will leak. I have 7 of them, so I know... I helped someone at work just last week with a leaky Kayfun - solved their problem in under a minute.

Now for the other factors, which affect all tanks. Barometric pressure: When the barometric pressure goes up and down, it sucks juice into the chamber, then bubbles into the tank, repeat. Letting a Kayfun sit unused pretty much guarantees a leak, all the way down your mod, into a puddle on your vape stand. If you live in an area with a lot of pressure changes, you might want to look into something that can't leak. Next up, temperature: Temperature changes do the same thing as barometric pressure changes, but temperature also affects the viscosity of the liquid. Warmer temps make the juice thinner; cooler temps make the juice thicker. Thinner juices wick faster, and in something like a Kayfun, if your coil is too close to the airflow intake in the chamber, capillary action between the wick and the center post will cause juice to flow like a fountain, out the airhole, down your mod, or into your pocket.

To sum it all up - increase your airflow, and/or increase your wattage.



I'll tell you why... The original 25mm SubTank did have a leaking issue due to thin seals. They fixed that design when they much later released the SubTank mini. The new 25mm SubTank is built like the SubTank mini, since they were successful in fixing the leaking issue of the original 25mm SubTank. The seals simply don't leak anymore. Where is the juice leaking from on yours? If it's from the seals, maybe you have pocket lint on them? It's happened to me with other tanks. I think you're mixing up the new 25mm SubTank with the 22mm SubTank mini - there is no new version of the mini.



DeadGuy is a low wattage vaper - that's why he had issues with the tank. Sub-ohm is not for low wattage.



If you don't like building coils, don't get a Kayfun. The deck is much harder to build on than a dripper. I've done enough builds that it's not difficult for me, but I would never recommend one to a beginner, or to someone who doesn't like building coils.

No leaks? LOL, sorry, but Kayfuns are PICKY! You need to do a GOOD build to not get leaks. Ask any vape shop employee. Kayfun's are synonymous with leaks. Now, there are plenty of people who got lucky and did it right from the start, however I consider myself an advanced coil builder, and even I had to call the vape shop for advice about my first one leaking so much, and learn the tricks when they do start leaking. If you don't like to build coils and tweak things, which it sounds like you don't, I wouldn't recommend a Kayfun.

Yell you what... I have a Kayfun (KFL+) clone I don't use (since I have authentics), so if you'd like, I'll send it to you. If you like it, and it doesn't leak, you can keep it; if you don't like it, no money wasted, send it back. PM me if you're interested. EDIT: I took too long writing this post - I see you've already ordered one. Everyone here, including myself, will help if you have issues. Expect them, and be thankful if you don't have them.



Got mine from VapeRev, but they're a 45-minute drive from where I live. My most recent Kayfun was the Five Pawns edition, which I had to have since I'm a huge fan of chess - it runs in our family, and my brother and I competed in tournaments. As for price, VapeRev sells them at the same price everyone else does. I heard there might have been a price drop recently, but KFL+'s are typically $99. You can get a clone for $30, but quality varies as you would expect. My clone had a mis-threaded fill screw, and I had to fight for them to send me a new deck. The fill screw was in tight, but since it was mis-threaded at the factory, it would never come out - just spun in place. Other than a few minor quality differences, it's pretty much the same experience as the authentic. I don't believe in wasting money on authentics - I almost always buy clones first to get an overall feel for something, keeping quality issues in mind and not assuming the authentic has the same issues - that's what research is for. I always end up giving the clones away, or selling them super cheap - usually to a smoker I'm trying to convert. So far, it's worked every time. Had one guy drop one of my clone mods with clone tank and scratch it all up. He wanted to buy me a new one - I told him forget about it, and keep it.



If you like the tight draw of the Nautilus, stick with it. The Nautilus produces great flavor, like the Kayfun, it doesn't leak, you don't have to build coils, and the new cotton coils are great. I typically like high wattage, a lot of vapor, and a loose draw, but my Nautilus mini on the ProVari v2.5 really hits the spot sometimes.

Gotta say that this is a fantastic post and I recommend most folks, especially newer take the time to read.


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[LittleBird]

When I bought my first used authentic Kayfun Lite v2+, I watched 2 you tube build videos and then wrapped 8 wraps of 30ga on one of those little blue screwdrivers.

It took me 10 minutes and vaped perfect ... I now have 7 authentic used Kayfuns and still build them all the same way as that first coil.

I have never had one leak.

I have only one KFL+, and have never had it leak, either ... And I'm far from an advanced coil builder, as all y'all can attest . My STs don't leak, and I usually vape between 10.4-12.4 watts with a moderate draw. Sometimes I think we make things harder than they really are just because we think they should be ... Dunno. But I'm pretty sure that our Sir Rod is more than up to this paltry challenge. Yes he is!

 

[JohnD0406]

When I bought my first used authentic Kayfun Lite v2+, I watched 2 you tube build videos and then wrapped 8 wraps of 30ga on one of those little blue screwdrivers. It took me 10 minutes and vaped perfect ... I now have 7 authentic used Kayfuns and still build them all the same way as that first coil. I have never had one leak.

You would be one of those "lucky ones" I was talking about Everyone I know (which is just a small percentage of course), including myself, had issues at first. I still have issues with leaking occasionally, and building a new coil is the fastest fix. Just the right height over the deck, and just the right amount of cotton, they're amazing flavor producers. Get it just a little wrong, and life sucks.

 

[stanleybb50]

You would be one of those "lucky ones" I was talking about Everyone I know (which is just a small percentage of course), including myself, had issues at first. I still have issues with leaking occasionally, and building a new coil is the fastest fix. Just the right height over the deck, and just the right amount of cotton, they're amazing flavor producers. Get it just a little wrong, and life sucks.

Add me to the "had trouble til I figured it out" club! Haha.


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[WillyZee]

Lol ... sorry you guys had trouble ... yeah, I got lucky by picking the right 2 videos

No seriously, these are the easiest thing you will ever build ... if you can brush your teeth, ... building an amazing vape on a Kayfun Lite v2 is about that simple

 

[ThePaladin]

Lol ... sorry you guys had trouble ... yeah, I got lucky by picking the right 2 videos

No seriously, these are the easiest thing you will ever build ... if you can brush your teeth, ... building an amazing vape on a Kayfun Lite v2 is about that simple

Got to agree with my neighbor to the North on this one...

 

[stanleybb50]

Lol ... sorry you guys had trouble ... yeah, I got lucky by picking the right 2 videos

No seriously, these are the easiest thing you will ever build ... if you can brush your teeth, ... building an amazing vape on a Kayfun Lite v2 is about that simple

Well yes it is simple but did you really never get one leak, gurgle, dry hit, etc in all your KFL days? No juice on your lips/in your mouth at any point?

Overall I absolutely 100% agree with your statements about the simplicity and reliability of a KFL though!


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[WillyZee]

Well yes it is simple but did you really never get one leak, gurgle, dry hit, etc in all your KFL days? No juice on your lips/in your mouth at any point?

Overall I absolutely 100% agree with your statements about the simplicity and reliability of a KFL though!


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honestly, I have never had one leak, gurgle, dry hit or have any problems at all ... they all get the same 30ga 8wrap blue screwdriver coil.

could be, that they are all authentic causing my success with them.

 

[Pinggolfer]

I did have a leak on my KFL, however it very well could have been my fault. I either tightened the o ring when it wasn't seated correctly or the o really was bad. In any event I changed out the o ring and since then I've never had a leak. Both of my KFL's are perfect.

 

[rbrylawski]

You'll do just fine.

I hope so, but I surely appreciate the vote of confidence! Yes I do!

Great, RB! I don't rewick every other day, either. Maybe every third tank ...which would be about twice a week if the KFL was all I used. That is, unless I'm vaping a juice that gunks up the coil, in which case I dry burn and rewick after each tank . I recall TO having said she used the same coil for several months, so I think you won't find it a big deal at all. Yeah Sir Rod!

I don't vape dark juices, so mine shouldn't gunk up the coil too fast. Thanks LB!

Don't give up just yet. If it's leaking, there's a good reason that can be explained. I have two, and they don't leak. I think it's time to get back to basics with these sub-ohm tanks. Many people in this P3 thread are low-wattage vapers - perhaps sub-ohm is not for you. Wasn't long ago when those of us who sub-ohm'd our drippers were mocked. "Why would you need that much power?", "Why do you want to blow large clouds?", etc. Well folks, the sub-ohm tanks were made for people like me. Anyway, back to basics.

There is an important relationship between the resistance of the coil, the amount of wick, the amount of airflow, the tightness of the draw, and the thickness of the liquid. The lower the resistance, the higher the power, the higher the airflow, the looser the draw. The amount of wicking and thickness of the liquid determine how often you can take a draw without getting a dry or burned hit.

In almost every case of a tank leaking I've helped someone with, the tank was not being used properly. I said "almost" - doesn't mean every time. There are some other factors to consider, but basics first. I use my SubTanks on my P3 at 20W at the widest airflow setting for most juices, and the two hole setting for thicker juices. Never had a leak. Not even a drop. And I've never cleaned them either - refills and juice changes - too lazy when there's no evident need.

What wattage are you using your SubTank at? The MINIMUM the 1.2-ohm coil can handle is 12W. If you have it set 12-15W, you need a loose draw (large airflow), otherwise you'll be sucking in too much juice into the chamber and not vaporizing enough off. That extra juice has to go somewhere you know... and we have a leak. Keep in mind that leaks are the opposite of dry hits - you have to be somewhere in the middle for it to work right. That goes for any tank, including the Kayfun. The Kayfun has a relatively tight draw, but a small chamber, so you usually build a smaller coil at a higher resistance, and use it in the 12-16W range (lower you flood and leak; higher you dry hit). If you don't like leaks, you really should steer clear of the Kayfun - it's a steep learning curve, keeping everything I've said in mind. There are a lot of tricks you'll need to know if it does leak, and chances are, until you learn the ropes, it will leak. I have 7 of them, so I know... I helped someone at work just last week with a leaky Kayfun - solved their problem in under a minute.

Now for the other factors, which affect all tanks. Barometric pressure: When the barometric pressure goes up and down, it sucks juice into the chamber, then bubbles into the tank, repeat. Letting a Kayfun sit unused pretty much guarantees a leak, all the way down your mod, into a puddle on your vape stand. If you live in an area with a lot of pressure changes, you might want to look into something that can't leak. Next up, temperature: Temperature changes do the same thing as barometric pressure changes, but temperature also affects the viscosity of the liquid. Warmer temps make the juice thinner; cooler temps make the juice thicker. Thinner juices wick faster, and in something like a Kayfun, if your coil is too close to the airflow intake in the chamber, capillary action between the wick and the center post will cause juice to flow like a fountain, out the airhole, down your mod, or into your pocket.

To sum it all up - increase your airflow, and/or increase your wattage.



I'll tell you why... The original 25mm SubTank did have a leaking issue due to thin seals. They fixed that design when they much later released the SubTank mini. The new 25mm SubTank is built like the SubTank mini, since they were successful in fixing the leaking issue of the original 25mm SubTank. The seals simply don't leak anymore. Where is the juice leaking from on yours? If it's from the seals, maybe you have pocket lint on them? It's happened to me with other tanks. I think you're mixing up the new 25mm SubTank with the 22mm SubTank mini - there is no new version of the mini.



DeadGuy is a low wattage vaper - that's why he had issues with the tank. Sub-ohm is not for low wattage.



If you don't like building coils, don't get a Kayfun. The deck is much harder to build on than a dripper. I've done enough builds that it's not difficult for me, but I would never recommend one to a beginner, or to someone who doesn't like building coils.

No leaks? LOL, sorry, but Kayfuns are PICKY! You need to do a GOOD build to not get leaks. Ask any vape shop employee. Kayfun's are synonymous with leaks. Now, there are plenty of people who got lucky and did it right from the start, however I consider myself an advanced coil builder, and even I had to call the vape shop for advice about my first one leaking so much, and learn the tricks when they do start leaking. If you don't like to build coils and tweak things, which it sounds like you don't, I wouldn't recommend a Kayfun.

Yell you what... I have a Kayfun (KFL+) clone I don't use (since I have authentics), so if you'd like, I'll send it to you. If you like it, and it doesn't leak, you can keep it; if you don't like it, no money wasted, send it back. PM me if you're interested. EDIT: I took too long writing this post - I see you've already ordered one. Everyone here, including myself, will help if you have issues. Expect them, and be thankful if you don't have them.



Got mine from VapeRev, but they're a 45-minute drive from where I live. My most recent Kayfun was the Five Pawns edition, which I had to have since I'm a huge fan of chess - it runs in our family, and my brother and I competed in tournaments. As for price, VapeRev sells them at the same price everyone else does. I heard there might have been a price drop recently, but KFL+'s are typically $99. You can get a clone for $30, but quality varies as you would expect. My clone had a mis-threaded fill screw, and I had to fight for them to send me a new deck. The fill screw was in tight, but since it was mis-threaded at the factory, it would never come out - just spun in place. Other than a few minor quality differences, it's pretty much the same experience as the authentic. I don't believe in wasting money on authentics - I almost always buy clones first to get an overall feel for something, keeping quality issues in mind and not assuming the authentic has the same issues - that's what research is for. I always end up giving the clones away, or selling them super cheap - usually to a smoker I'm trying to convert. So far, it's worked every time. Had one guy drop one of my clone mods with clone tank and scratch it all up. He wanted to buy me a new one - I told him forget about it, and keep it.



If you like the tight draw of the Nautilus, stick with it. The Nautilus produces great flavor, like the Kayfun, it doesn't leak, you don't have to build coils, and the new cotton coils are great. I typically like high wattage, a lot of vapor, and a loose draw, but my Nautilus mini on the ProVari v2.5 really hits the spot sometimes.

Thanks for your insights, but I'm convinced the leak is due to the poorly designed and skimped out o-rings on the Sub Tank Mini. I vape at 17 watts with the widest air opening (I'm a tip to lung vaper) and 17 watts on a 1.2 ohm coil should be just fine for the system to work well. I'm not alone either. I've read on other forums the blasted things leak. Which is why, I believe, Kanger is now coming out with Sub Tank Plus, with beefier o-rings, which I'm sure is because I'm not the first to complain about leaks.

So, I'm giving up. And I've already ordered a Kayfun Lite +. No I'm not fiddler, but I'm going to be once I've built a good coil and I change the cotton when the taste is off a tad, I'll be fine. So many people here have Kayfuns and so many people buy Kayfun clones. I have to believe they do so, because the vape is worth it. At any rate, sir Rod is going to find out soon enough.

Again, thanks for all the time you put into your response, but a Kayfun Lite + is something iv'e been looking forward to for some time. And honestly, after all the tops, and prebuilt coils I've purchased in the last couple years, it's time I grew up and had a better system. I have the P3. It deserves a more grown-up RBA. Yes it does!

Bronze now has 50 KFL's in his collection. Still waiting for mine to arrive. Joking now I'm not serious. Bronze was a major help for me.

Btw Rod Vaperev was out of stock when I decided to buy the FP KFL. Vaperev did say they expected the KFL's in a few weeks. Email them and find out when. Super fast shipping.

Ping, you may have missed that VapinArt matched the Vaperev price, so it's already ordered and should be shipped tomorrow. I should have it no later than Wednesday as Miami to Tampa shouldn't take much time.

 

[LittleBird]

Never said nothin' bout dry hits! Before a whole host of folks helped me to disassemble a stuck stainless steel thingy and replace it with the clear one, I got dry hits galore. I was forever vaping the dang thing dry. Can't blame the KFL + for that, though. I think it's called "user error."

ETA: I get gurgles, too. They don't bother me; I think of gurgling as the KFL talking to me!

 

[stanleybb50]

honestly, I have never had one leak, gurgle, dry hit or have any problems at all ... they all get the same 30ga 8wrap blue screwdriver coil.

could be, that they are all authentic causing my success with them.

Just saying - I'll bet even the "Professional" reviewers/vapers can't make this claim. I think you've found the Unicorn!


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[rbrylawski]

Wow, this thread can sure go fast when we're actually scussin' vaping gear! Yes it can!!