What is the IQ exactly? thats only on the p3's?
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So question: is the battery life on the Procyon and P3 (if using the same battery like the 25R) if vamping at the same wattage?
Since you already have two Radiuses, you need two P3s.May as well make one a Procyon.
Nah, seriously... you should wait for the ProVari Hybrid coming out the first week of August.
I have no idea if this is the situation, but if the regulator uses the case as a heat sink, metal would do a better job than plastic at dissipating heat.
Provari Hybrid? What is this? The 2.5 you mean?
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I'm not very good at explaining technical aspects of things in the short version one can understand so here it is straight from 3 different areas of the P3 manual.
Enjoy the read and remember, actual rocket scientists came up with it...
Oh, one more thing, I change the spring every 6 months, ProVape recommends it. The new Procyon end cap works with the P3 but is not recommended to be used with button tops due to length.
"This end cap can be used on any P3, ProVari Classic, or Procyon to improve battery performance.
Some button top batteries may take up more room inside the tube and not allow you to tighten the cap all the way. Works best with flat top batteries."
- ProVape web site
I read where Vape360 said, "When you check IQ on the P3 with the new cap you will see a difference
" - Page 10● IQ™ (Input Quality) monitor provides feedback on the condition of your battery and connections. This
never before seen feature not only can test your batteries, but also alert you if there is a problem with one
of your cells. Battery safety is very important to us!
● The IQ™ (Input Quality) monitor provides feedback on the condition of your battery and connections. IQ
monitors the battery installed in the device and alerts the user if there is a problem with the battery or the
connections along the way. If you have a bad spring, this will cause the IQ value to drop. If you use a
poor quality battery, your input quality value will drop. A safe range is anything above 61. If you find your
battery is not showing higher than 61, replace the battery with a new high drain battery. These are
available on the ProVape website if you do not have a local source for them. The IQ value will vary a little
but generally if it’s 61 or above you are ok to use that battery. In addition to a value, the P3 will also tell
you if the battery is great, good, ok, poor or bad. These readings are often caused by a weak connection,
oxidation build-up where the spring is or a dirty contact pin. If you get a bad reading, try turning the spring
a few times. This will remove oxidation build-up and you should get a better reading. This is a very
sensitive and accurate reading so little changes can affect the value. Getting a low reading with a new
battery does not mean you have a bad device. It just means you might have some adjustments to make
on the spring or cleaning your contact pin. This numeric number is from 100 (best) to 0 (worst). If you get
a IQ warning the best fix is to remove the bottom cap, wiggle the spring a little, and try reinstalling the
bottom cap to see if that improves the IQ value. It's very normal for the IQ to bounce around. This is due
to the IQ reading being a real-time monitor of the internal resistance. The IQ value mainly comes into play
when you are vaping at above 15 watts. This is when we are most concerned about the quality of the
connections to ensure the device is safe to use at the higher power levels.
1) Great (81 to 100 inclusive)
2) Good (72 to 80 inclusive)
3) OK (61 to 71 inclusive)
4) Poor (36 to 60 inclusive) - Power limited to 15 watts when your input quality is poor or bad
5) Bad (0 to 35 inclusive) - Power limited to 15 watts when your input quality is poor or bad
The IQ value relates to the quality of your battery and
the battery connection to the P3. IQ values lower than
50 signal a problem either with the battery or the
connection. A poor quality, old or worn out battery will cause a low
IQ value. Dirty contacts on either the battery or inside
the P3 battery compartment can also cause the IQ value to be low. Try stretching your spring out a little to see if this helps improve your IQ value or stabilize that value. Also note that the IQ value does not really come into play until you go over 15
watts. If you use the device under 15 watts you do not need to be concerned with the IQ value.
P3 IQ Description
P3 Input Quality (IQ) Feature Description
The P3 has a unique feature which is called Input Quality (IQ). The original ProVari was the 1st PV to offer
the user the capability to measure the atomizer resistance. This new feature extends to the P3 with the
capability to allow the user to measure the total quality of any input contact or the battery’s internal
resistance.
Why is input resistance so important? The short answer is because without this measurement, it prevents
the P3 from using the full capacity of the battery.
The long answer is that this happens in two ways. It happens because higher input resistance, no matter
what the cause, converts input energy into wasted heat energy that does not get to be used by the
atomizer. In addition, this input resistance, when high currents are drawn, drops voltage. This voltage
drop is then added to the normal voltage drop and will cause the P3 to terminate the battery use because
the P3 thinks the battery has no energy left. The P3 cannot tell if the voltage drop is due to a normal endof-
charge condition OR because it is due to a higher than normal input resistance.
What are the causes of a higher than normal input resistance?
1) Internal Battery Resistance. The highest quality batteries have a very low internal
resistance. There are some very poor quality batteries that are not designed to be
used in high current drain applications like this PV. The IQ feature will allow you to
make this measurement and determine if you are going to get good performance.
2) Positive Contact resistance. Sometimes corrosion and/or dirt can collect on the
positive contact in the P3. This is designed to be a high performance gold plated
contact. If there is dirt build-up, it can cause the series resistance to be higher than
normal and will start to affect the system performance. If dirt or corrosion build-up is
suspected, it is best to inspect the contact and clean it with a Q-tip. A Cleaning Kit is
available for this purpose.
3) The battery spring is a high use part that gets exercised often. As it wears out, its
performance can degrade to the point where the spring tension is not as strong as it
was when it was new. This can result in a higher input resistance. This part should
be routinely replaced every 6 months.
4) The metal surfaces on the batteries can have dirt or oxide layer build-up that will start
to affect the internal resistance. These surfaces should be polished often to minimize
any surface dirt/corrosion build-up.
5) The end cap threads, which conduct the high currents, should be routinely cleaned
every few weeks. Any dirt/corrosion build-up on the end cap threads can cause the
input resistance to increase.
The IQ feature allows the combination of all these resistances to be measured. It has no way to directly
know which resistance is the problem but it does give you the information that a problem is present.
There is a way to indirectly determine if the battery is the problem because the battery can be replaced
with another battery. If the IQ with one battery is GOOD and the alternate battery is BAD, then the
problem can be isolated to the battery. However, sometimes the contact resistance can change with the
simple act of removing one battery and inserting another. Caution is advised when using deductive
reasoning to isolate problems.
Also, the use of a simple log to track the IQ can be beneficial. Measure and record the IQ when the unit is
new and monitor it over the life of the unit to determine if it is degrading. You can even keep track of
which batteries are the best and how the resistance changes over the life of a battery. This new tool is
now available to help determine if the system is performing at a high level and when it is not, it can help to
isolate the cause of the problem.
If you run into a situation where your battery is charged yet the device says it is Empty, this ties into the
IQ value and a poor connection or battery. A poor connection to your battery or a bad battery will cause
the voltage to drop rapidly and make the device think it's out of power. Check all your connections and
battery first, as this is not caused by a faulty device.
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"The ProVape High Performance Tube Mod End Cap provides a high integrity connection from the battery to the device electronics. This improvement extends battery life between charges by allowing the device access to more usable battery energy prior to reaching “End of Charge”.
This end cap can be used on any P3, ProVari Classic, or Procyon to improve battery performance.
Some button top batteries may take up more room inside the tube and not allow you to tighten the cap all the way. Works best with flat top batteries."
- ProVape web site
Great post, Coldgin! I learned a lot from it. I wonder if the Procyon has the same monitoring function and will simply announce any problem on the scroll menu? Perhaps the new endcap and lack of additional threaded connections make the IQ redundant? Inquiring minds want to know.I'm not very good at explaining technical aspects of things in the short version one can understand so here it is straight from 3 different areas of the P3 manual.
Enjoy the read and remember, actual rocket scientists came up with it...
Oh, one more thing, I change the spring every 6 months, ProVape recommends it. The new Procyon end cap works with the P3 but is not recommended to be used with button tops due to length.
● IQ™ (Input Quality) monitor provides feedback on the condition of your battery and connections. This
never before seen feature not only can test your batteries, but also alert you if there is a problem with one
of your cells. Battery safety is very important to us!
● The IQ™ (Input Quality) monitor provides feedback on the condition of your battery and connections. IQ
monitors the battery installed in the device and alerts the user if there is a problem with the battery or the
connections along the way. If you have a bad spring, this will cause the IQ value to drop. If you use a
poor quality battery, your input quality value will drop. A safe range is anything above 61. If you find your
battery is not showing higher than 61, replace the battery with a new high drain battery. These are
available on the ProVape website if you do not have a local source for them. The IQ value will vary a little
but generally if it’s 61 or above you are ok to use that battery. In addition to a value, the P3 will also tell
you if the battery is great, good, ok, poor or bad. These readings are often caused by a weak connection,
oxidation build-up where the spring is or a dirty contact pin. If you get a bad reading, try turning the spring
a few times. This will remove oxidation build-up and you should get a better reading. This is a very
sensitive and accurate reading so little changes can affect the value. Getting a low reading with a new
battery does not mean you have a bad device. It just means you might have some adjustments to make
on the spring or cleaning your contact pin. This numeric number is from 100 (best) to 0 (worst). If you get
a IQ warning the best fix is to remove the bottom cap, wiggle the spring a little, and try reinstalling the
bottom cap to see if that improves the IQ value. It's very normal for the IQ to bounce around. This is due
to the IQ reading being a real-time monitor of the internal resistance. The IQ value mainly comes into play
when you are vaping at above 15 watts. This is when we are most concerned about the quality of the
connections to ensure the device is safe to use at the higher power levels.
1) Great (81 to 100 inclusive)
2) Good (72 to 80 inclusive)
3) OK (61 to 71 inclusive)
4) Poor (36 to 60 inclusive) - Power limited to 15 watts when your input quality is poor or bad
5) Bad (0 to 35 inclusive) - Power limited to 15 watts when your input quality is poor or bad
The IQ value relates to the quality of your battery and
the battery connection to the P3. IQ values lower than
50 signal a problem either with the battery or the
connection. A poor quality, old or worn out battery will cause a low
IQ value. Dirty contacts on either the battery or inside
the P3 battery compartment can also cause the IQ value to be low. Try stretching your spring out a little to see if this helps improve your IQ value or stabilize that value. Also note that the IQ value does not really come into play until you go over 15
watts. If you use the device under 15 watts you do not need to be concerned with the IQ value.
P3 IQ Description
P3 Input Quality (IQ) Feature Description
The P3 has a unique feature which is called Input Quality (IQ). The original ProVari was the 1st PV to offer
the user the capability to measure the atomizer resistance. This new feature extends to the P3 with the
capability to allow the user to measure the total quality of any input contact or the battery’s internal
resistance.
Why is input resistance so important? The short answer is because without this measurement, it prevents
the P3 from using the full capacity of the battery.
The long answer is that this happens in two ways. It happens because higher input resistance, no matter
what the cause, converts input energy into wasted heat energy that does not get to be used by the
atomizer. In addition, this input resistance, when high currents are drawn, drops voltage. This voltage
drop is then added to the normal voltage drop and will cause the P3 to terminate the battery use because
the P3 thinks the battery has no energy left. The P3 cannot tell if the voltage drop is due to a normal endof-
charge condition OR because it is due to a higher than normal input resistance.
What are the causes of a higher than normal input resistance?
1) Internal Battery Resistance. The highest quality batteries have a very low internal
resistance. There are some very poor quality batteries that are not designed to be
used in high current drain applications like this PV. The IQ feature will allow you to
make this measurement and determine if you are going to get good performance.
2) Positive Contact resistance. Sometimes corrosion and/or dirt can collect on the
positive contact in the P3. This is designed to be a high performance gold plated
contact. If there is dirt build-up, it can cause the series resistance to be higher than
normal and will start to affect the system performance. If dirt or corrosion build-up is
suspected, it is best to inspect the contact and clean it with a Q-tip. A Cleaning Kit is
available for this purpose.
3) The battery spring is a high use part that gets exercised often. As it wears out, its
performance can degrade to the point where the spring tension is not as strong as it
was when it was new. This can result in a higher input resistance. This part should
be routinely replaced every 6 months.
4) The metal surfaces on the batteries can have dirt or oxide layer build-up that will start
to affect the internal resistance. These surfaces should be polished often to minimize
any surface dirt/corrosion build-up.
5) The end cap threads, which conduct the high currents, should be routinely cleaned
every few weeks. Any dirt/corrosion build-up on the end cap threads can cause the
input resistance to increase.
The IQ feature allows the combination of all these resistances to be measured. It has no way to directly
know which resistance is the problem but it does give you the information that a problem is present.
There is a way to indirectly determine if the battery is the problem because the battery can be replaced
with another battery. If the IQ with one battery is GOOD and the alternate battery is BAD, then the
problem can be isolated to the battery. However, sometimes the contact resistance can change with the
simple act of removing one battery and inserting another. Caution is advised when using deductive
reasoning to isolate problems.
Also, the use of a simple log to track the IQ can be beneficial. Measure and record the IQ when the unit is
new and monitor it over the life of the unit to determine if it is degrading. You can even keep track of
which batteries are the best and how the resistance changes over the life of a battery. This new tool is
now available to help determine if the system is performing at a high level and when it is not, it can help to
isolate the cause of the problem.
If you run into a situation where your battery is charged yet the device says it is Empty, this ties into the
IQ value and a poor connection or battery. A poor connection to your battery or a bad battery will cause
the voltage to drop rapidly and make the device think it's out of power. Check all your connections and
battery first, as this is not caused by a faulty device.
Hey, I just read the Procyon manual (now I don't have to when I get one) and the answer to your questions are, yes.
Thanks, Coldgin. At least someone reads the manual.
Oh i remember reading the IQ stuff now in the manual thanks coldgin, not gonna quote the book though lol.
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A “hybrid” is typically the combination of a Rebuildable Tank Atomizer with a switched power supply, such that the combination appears as one single device—a complete electronic cigarette. There’s no reason a hybrid couldn’t use a replaceable head clearomizer in place of the RTA.
Despite advertising the ProVari as an “electronic cigarette,” ProVape manufactures nothing beyond e-cigarette power supplies. They do sell other manufacturers’ parts necessary to make a complete electronic cigarette (i.e. e-liquid containment and atomizer), but don’t manufacture a complete electronic cigarette. A hybrid ProVari would change this.
I was kidding about one coming the first week of August (in time to be on the market by the FDA's August 8 deadline).
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Got me thinking though. Aside from Jackie's new Radius I'm getting her for her birthday, it might be a good idea to for any new purchases until 08Aug in case something new is released before then. Thanks!
With their P3 connector, it wouldn't take much for ProVape to manufacture and sell a complete proprietary e-cigarette (or should I say ENDS). A P3 RTA or clearomizer (possibly 2 ml for the EU TPU), with the same non-standard diameter of the P3/Procyon (i.e. > 22mm), with the same satin stainless and/or stealth finish, would be a good start.
[edit to add] To garner approval for post-2018 sales, a consistent (within manufacturing tolerance), predictable fixed resistance atomizer _may_ be required. This would eliminate rebuildable and _possibly_ require a proprietary head clearomizer section.
Sorry for wandering so far OT.
[edit to add] To garner approval for post-2018 sales, a consistent (within manufacturing tolerance), predictable fixed resistance atomizer _may_ be required. This would eliminate rebuildable and _possibly_ require a proprietary head clearomizer section.
Sorry for wandering so far OT.
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I've spent the last couple of days with the Procyon outside on the deck, where I used to smoke premium cigars. Deja vu !
Yesterday was with the Origen V3, wide-open air flow, dripping Mountain Oak Vapors' Apache NET on dual vertical coils at 0.56Ω, with the Procyon set at 32 watts/Boost 4. It's a great atty, especially when it comes to flavor, and it holds quite a bit of juice. It seems to be designed for dual vertical coils, but is a bit tricky to wick them for me. Being a 3-post design, one has to be careful not to use too long of a drip tip (especially metal!) over the center post. I enjoyed it immensely.
[edit to add] I replaced the center post with the stainless steel bottom feed post, in the event I may want to use it with a low profile REO Grand
Today is with a Stumpy and a well aged bottle of Ahlusion Blue Grass Burley. It has the potential for three times the air flow of the Origen. The drip tip on it on the ProVape Procyon page is a 510 "Mini." The top part of the atty is removable to accommodate a $25 "chuff cap," a large interior diameter drip tip, also known as their competition drip tip. That's what I'm using with it. The two-post deck is dead easy to build on. I've started with a single coil of 26 AWG at 0.71Ω (both the Origen and Stumpy work with single or dual coils and both use hex keys for the connections). The best flavor with this coil setup came at 20.0W with two (of six) air holes open, which means it also works well with a plain ProVari 3. Even at this, it produces a respectable amount of vapor. Being shorter than the Origen, which is nice on the longer Procyon, it doesn't hold as much liquid and it's not quite as quiet on the inhale.
Given its flexibility, and the fact I have two P3s, I chose to buy a second Stumpy. iVape SLC still has some, but you'll have to get the chuff cap either from Element Mods direct or another dealer.
If you like to drip, and have or are thinking about a Procyon, I'd recommend getting a Stumpy RDA with the chuff cap while you still can. Given the heat of these builds, I'd stick with Delrin for the drip tip/chuff cap.
Yesterday was with the Origen V3, wide-open air flow, dripping Mountain Oak Vapors' Apache NET on dual vertical coils at 0.56Ω, with the Procyon set at 32 watts/Boost 4. It's a great atty, especially when it comes to flavor, and it holds quite a bit of juice. It seems to be designed for dual vertical coils, but is a bit tricky to wick them for me. Being a 3-post design, one has to be careful not to use too long of a drip tip (especially metal!) over the center post. I enjoyed it immensely.
[edit to add] I replaced the center post with the stainless steel bottom feed post, in the event I may want to use it with a low profile REO Grand
Today is with a Stumpy and a well aged bottle of Ahlusion Blue Grass Burley. It has the potential for three times the air flow of the Origen. The drip tip on it on the ProVape Procyon page is a 510 "Mini." The top part of the atty is removable to accommodate a $25 "chuff cap," a large interior diameter drip tip, also known as their competition drip tip. That's what I'm using with it. The two-post deck is dead easy to build on. I've started with a single coil of 26 AWG at 0.71Ω (both the Origen and Stumpy work with single or dual coils and both use hex keys for the connections). The best flavor with this coil setup came at 20.0W with two (of six) air holes open, which means it also works well with a plain ProVari 3. Even at this, it produces a respectable amount of vapor. Being shorter than the Origen, which is nice on the longer Procyon, it doesn't hold as much liquid and it's not quite as quiet on the inhale.
Given its flexibility, and the fact I have two P3s, I chose to buy a second Stumpy. iVape SLC still has some, but you'll have to get the chuff cap either from Element Mods direct or another dealer.
If you like to drip, and have or are thinking about a Procyon, I'd recommend getting a Stumpy RDA with the chuff cap while you still can. Given the heat of these builds, I'd stick with Delrin for the drip tip/chuff cap.
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I'm on a lot of pain medicine.
Blah, blah, blah.
So sorry to see this. Hope you're feeling better soon.
Hit me with your best shot Lol
Thanks, Sir Rod! Actually, it's for chronic pain and it will never get any better. The good news is, I can't drink. Well, maybe a beer or a occasional shot of JD but I really can't remember when the last time was.
My point was, by the time the middle of the night rolls around, I'm not feeling to much pain anymore and I'm in rare form.
Thanks, Sir Rod! Actually, it's for chronic pain and it will never get any better. The good news is, I can't drink. Well, maybe a beer or a occasional shot of JD but I really can't remember when the last time was.
My point was, by the time the middle of the night rolls around, I'm not feeling to much pain anymore and I'm in rare form.
Then yay for pain relieving drugs!
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