Official update post for PIF

[warlike36]

PIF has done ALOT for me and my wife. If it wasnt for PIF there would have been times we would have had NO choice but to analog it. I work real hard and unfortunately full of pride.
I dont make enough sometimes. PIF helps me provide,and I feel very comfortable there. So why is this becoming the way it is ? How hard is it to start one of those "Poll Threads" and do the American thing and VOTE on the issues. And again I am only speaking on the main PIF. It seems that would be VERY simple,or is that the problem?

 

[VRubin]

Why are we even discussing getting rid of the original PIF thread?
I don't care if I have say in this anymore or not.
That thread is the ONLY reason the rest of this group is here. If you don't want to participate in it, then by all means no one is holding a gun against your head. Just don't participate in it. If you only want to do swaps, then only do swaps. It's that simple. JEEEEZ!

 

[mick11]

I really think there are ample opportunities to give on a proven need basis around here. The PIF thread is what it is......it does a lot of good and perhaps opens some doors to abuse. No one however is required to participate in order to be a member of this forum.

I for one appreciate your generosity Drozd, your offer of a mod in PIF the other night was truly important to me. But it was received as a backup device in case my one and only box mad were to fail.....would I pass your needs based hurdle?

 

[BradSmith]

I like the forum and although I am not very active I have made a trade with Jules and was very happy. I don't really have anything to trade when it comes to e-cig stuff. I pretty much just buy what I know I will use. I have a very limited budget so it is what it is. (I am the sole supporter for a familly of five and I don't take assistance)

I hope that Jules does what is best for her. I think she has enough stress in her life without having anyone add to it.

You can't be of help to anyone if you don't take care of yourself first. I know that can seem selfish, but honestly it's the best advice I can give to givers. We have all known that person who was always the one to go out of their way for anyone they met. Well sometimes they have to take the time to take care of themselves.

Please take care of yourself Jules and thanks for all the hard work you have done.

 

[jojogardener]

oh that's right you've got that D-2 that seems to be not cross compatable with anything...and can only get stuff from like 2 places...hrmmm....

we gotta get you a KR808D-1 cartos at least and something to go with it...

there it is....the wonderful ability to see a need and respond.......
quit your long posting and take it easy........I can see that you have a heart of gold and your long post come down to - you care about others.
Now........thanks Drozd, I have a lot of cartomizers.
I have what I need - thanks for looking out for me.
you are a big teddy bear

hugs
JoJo

 

[muttSRT]

I understand what you're saying, and please excuse this quick post as I have to leave and take the kids to their grandmothers...but I felt this warranted a timely reply, so you don't think I'm trivializing your response.

...it doesnt have to be public post...it could be via PM...
To me idealy there'd be some sort of repository of stuff...and through public post of private PM those things could be given to those that need it from the group, but that's an unlikely pipe dream...
what I have issue with is that where the spirit of PIF is that somewhere down the line you PIF when you can and give when you can...in the thread you're restricted to 10min to make an offer...often the trades are not between those that actually have a need....or people that hold the stuff until they see an offer that they want...how is that representative of the nature and spirit of PIF...and I do understand the pride thing and that people shouldn't have to humble themselves or be labeled in any way....it's a thin line to walk..I'd like to give the extra stuff that I have..but without conditions (just the hope and faith that somewhere down the line that person remembers it and does the same)....but it should go to someone who needs it or is new and just starting out or bought a model that doesnt work for them...and not to someone who just wants to try something new

i am against any and all types of deals/threads/ideas where we would take our stuff, send it to one person, and then let that one person or even a small group of people decide who is worthy enough to get it. be it in PM, in an open forum or whatever...anyone suggesting something like this, to me, sends a red flag up about their true intentions and to me sounds like they want the goodie box to be theirs to go through.

When someone is truly in need, this group has a way of coming together and making the right thing happen. having a thrift store of ecig stuff just doesnt sound like the right idea to me.

 

[vleath]

I understand what you're saying, and please excuse this quick post as I have to leave and take the kids to their grandmothers...but I felt this warranted a timely reply, so you don't think I'm trivializing your response.

...it doesnt have to be public post...it could be via PM...
To me idealy there'd be some sort of repository of stuff...and through public post of private PM those things could be given to those that need it from the group, but that's an unlikely pipe dream...
what I have issue with is that where the spirit of PIF is that somewhere down the line you PIF when you can and give when you can...in the thread you're restricted to 10min to make an offer...often the trades are not between those that actually have a need....or people that hold the stuff until they see an offer that they want...how is that representative of the nature and spirit of PIF...and I do understand the pride thing and that people shouldn't have to humble themselves or be labeled in any way....it's a thin line to walk..I'd like to give the extra stuff that I have..but without conditions (just the hope and faith that somewhere down the line that person remembers it and does the same)....but it should go to someone who needs it or is new and just starting out or bought a model that doesnt work for them...and not to someone who just wants to try something new

Well Drozd I know you have good intentions at heart but how hard would it be for a person to decide who truely needed something or not. Say the repository only had 10 attys and 26 people said they truly needed one how would one be able to decide that. And most people are proud people and it is so hard for you to post that you need something. Not to mention most of us here dont really need anything we just like trying and trading flavors. When I mixed a flavor I thought someone might like I could not wait to Pay it Forward.

Try and think of it this way when the McDonalds pay it forward happened. So someone just said you know what I will pay for the person behind me. They unknowingly knew if that person had a true need or what they were going to order. So I gave Jo behind me free coffee, she in turn gave steve behind her 2 egg mcmuffins. So even if it turned out that later on Jo gave her last dime to Steve who had a 100 dollars in his pocket you just did not know.

Yes I skip offers all the time other times I will add to an offer sometimes I will put up a new offer and sometimes I will just take it to keep things moving. If I see a couple of atty and I dont have any extras I might say man I can use that then I throw something up that was just as important to me as receiving those attys. I might skip the tv peach melba that I had already tried but go for something different. I am thankful for this thread the way it is

 

[simmi5]

I don't know a whole lot about anything, and I'm the first to admit it.

But I will say this; I would NEVER just blatantly ask somebody to give me something for free, even if I needed it. While the idea of giving things for free to those in need is great in theory, there are also people that would claim they "needed" it just to get it for free.

Last night was my first foray into benefiting from the PIF thread, and I had nothing to offer. Absolutely nothing. A couple of people went WAY out of their way to be kind. And whether it comes from me or someone else, that IS pay it forward. Likewise, I will also pay it forward when I can. I'm not understanding how anybody can think this is a bad thing.

No matter how things are run, there are always going to be a few bad seeds that take advantage of others. And if someone could actually figure out a way to stop that, the entire world could be a better place. In the meantime, some of like to operate in good faith and will assume that others do the same.

 

[sensay]

I cant count how many times in the pif thread people add things to offers with nothing asked in return. Or how many times people accept an offer for someone else they know who needs it or wants it and puts their stuff up for trade. There are many fine examples of the pif spirit in the pif thread not purely swaps.

 

[mini_art]

In the first place we are not running an organized charity here. A repository for things to be passed out according to needs sounds suspiciously like the red cross or something.

This is a sharing forum,not a charity.
I have given away many things on here, but not in charity. I wished to share, that is all.

someone needs a hand that day, ,many times someone will offer to share. That is great!

If my neighbor has a flat tire, do I offer to share my help, or do I first see if he is in great enough need, and if not he can call a tow truck.

I hope you see my point, pif is sharing not charity work.

I have not seen one post on here in favor of changing the PIF thread. It should be left alone along with all the other threads where people choose to share with others..

Not to mention Droz that your every post is about killing the pif thread or turning it into your version of a swap. I for one am finding it a bit redundant.

 

[ToniAnne]

In the first place we are not running an organized charity here. A repository for things to be passed out according to needs sounds suspiciously like the red cross or something.

This is a sharing forum,not a charity.
I have given away many things on here, but not in charity. I wished to share, that is all.

someone needs a hand that day, ,many times someone will offer to share. That is great!

If my neighbor has a flat tire, do I offer to share my help, or do I first see if he is in great enough need, and if not he can call a tow truck.

I hope you see my point, pif is sharing not charity work.

I have not seen one post on here in favor of changing the PIF thread. It should be left alone along with all the other threads where people choose to share with others..

Not to mention Droz that your every post is about killing the pif thread or turning it into your version of a swap. I for one am finding it a bit redundant.

well said!

 

[mick11]

I cant count how many times in the pif thread people add things to offers with nothing asked in return. Or how many times people accept an offer for someone else they know who needs it or wants it and puts their stuff up for trade. There are many fine examples of the pif spirit in the pif thread not purely swaps.

isn't it interesting that all the people who were spending so many hours in the PIF thread see no problems with how it was working?

 

[warlike36]

isn't it interesting that all the people who were spending so many hours in the PIF thread see no problems with how it was working?

EXACTLY !! If PIF gets removed or renamed or touched in ANY way......

Then well something else needs to be seriously looked at around here !!

 

[GoodDog]

There's more to giving from the heart than generosity. There's learning to listen to your inner self. Those lessons can't be taught by having rules or changing the name. They are learned by doing the right things and the wrong things and feeling the difference.

We can only lead by example and let everyone learn at their own pace. If someone feels they are being taken advantage of then they can step back and not participate until that passes or until they choose to do something. We don't have to save the world here.

 

[VRubin]

Right. We aren't saving the world... we're taking it over!!! Muahahahahaha!!!!!

 

[muttSRT]

I'm not sure how all that will work. If GD wants to step up as "Head mod", she's more than welcome to it. The group was xfer'd to me by Jules, and if noone has a major problem with that, I'm going to leave it that way just for simplicity (as in no more switches, I think it takes admin to do that or something, not sure of the mechanics).

I want to state this very clearly so everyone knows. I NEVER wanted head mod, I only offered to Jules to come on as a "I'll help relieve some load off you" sub mod. I didn't take over for power or anything like that. And the more I got to thinking about it, I started to think I may have bitten off more than I could chew, desire to help or not.

Simply put, unless anyone has valid reasoning to change things up, I have every intention of leaving them as is (except for maybe a few minor changes, reorganizing and whatnot).

And FYI, I hope no one takes this the wrong way. I'm not calling anyone out or trying to hurt anyone's feelings. I'm sure some people already know I'm as blunt as it gets, sometimes to a fault

I was actually happy for a moment and thought that maybe common sense stepped in. I can see i was wrong.

I guess at this point we are waiting to see if GD steps into it as you say and takes it. As far as I am concerned, If she wants it, there should be nothing further discussion. She was a co-mod and by all rights, she should be head mod. So what if things happened fast and she denied it at first...less than 24 hours later, she is back as mod and should be head mod...period!

But, if you decide to stay in as head mod, I am sure everyone will support you, myself included. The only thing I would ask, is that as head mod of the PIF subforum, you stop the review thread immediately and refuse any and all future offers or donations. Being the lead moderator AND being the one to receive money/products = disaster. Money and power, you cant have it all.

 

[GLRogerss]

I agree with Clumsy, TOTALLY!!!
Welcome back GoodDog and hopefully Jules will take some time and join back in the fun

 

[mick11]

I'm with mutt.....even the appearance that the moderator stands to gain by their status as mod, is counter to this group's reason to be.

my

 

[VRubin]

Like Toni said earlier, all we need a mod for is babysitting. Make sure rules are followed, and things are kept in line. I know it sounds simple and it is in fact NOT simple,but thats really what it comes down to.

 

[Blaze]

But, if you decide to stay in as head mod, I am sure everyone will support you, myself included. The only thing I would ask, is that as head mod of the PIF subforum, you stop the review thread immediately and refuse any and all future offers or donations. Being the lead moderator AND being the one to receive money/products = disaster. Money and power, you cant have it all.

I've already discussed this with eJoker, and I told him that while he doesn't see a problem with it, if anyone brought up ANY concern with it, I would close it immediately until such time as it is no longer a conflict

I do, however, have a few obligations to meet as far as that goes (reviews), so I will close the thread as soon as I meet those obligations. I will immediately cease donations, however.

I don't want it all, I really don't want anything, except to help out any way I can.