Oh my goodness, Provape is no more!

[SeniorBoy]

A FYI: Back in May 2016 ProVape served notice on what just happened in a Blog post at:

FDA Ruling Threatens Largest U.S. Vape Hardware Manufacturer - ProVape

Dear ProVape Founders and staff,

Thank you for saving my life about four years ago. Thank you for saving the lives of many many other smokers. I wish you all the very best of luck in your future endeavors. You will be missed!

 

[Ed_C]

Dont take this the wrong way but you have obviously never attended a business class.

The only reason to create a for profit business is to generate profit. That is why businesses are created in the first place.

Otherwise its a "not for profit" or "non profit", which is a charity.

As a retired business owner I speak from real world experience and a knowledge of how to operate a successful business.

That is not correct. Some people factor in what they would like to do day in, day out and have other concerns besides maximum profits. While you need to be profitable, there is more to life than just money. Some people do what they do because they love it. That being said, you still need a well-executed business plan.

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[beckdg]

That is not correct. Some people factor in what they would like to do day in, day out and have other concerns besides maximum profits. While you need to be profitable, there is more to life than just money. Some people do what they do because they love it. That being said ,you still need a well-executed business plan.

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You're confusing hobby and business.

He is correct.

The only reason for business is profit.

The TYPE of business you choose is personal and individual.

Tapatyped

 

[kbeam418]

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No quality control?
I use only Chinese mods. Not a single one failed in my almost 3 years of vaping.
I am sorry for ProVape, they had their followers, but today they were mostly irrelevant.

This is a good point I own many Chinese mods and I've has three fail (one was exposed to water, one was dropped 10 feet on to concrete, the other was the infamous cuboid 510 issue) out of ten mods. My Hotcig DX200 is built extremely well, China's engineers are just as smart as Americans, and a lot of Chinease companies have strict qc.

It's still sad to see Provape go out of business.

 

[beckdg]

very well explained Robino ... basically their hands were tied.

That and the fact that they can no longer even try to compete. When your hands are tied and you cannot make NEW products, your basically screwed. Even if they came up with an idea that might be competitive, they cannot bring it to market. No New Devices allowed, per the FDA.

So yes, it is because of the FDA. It can be laid right on their doorstep.

Nah...

They chose that path.

They had warning.

They could have stayed an industry leader until next August if they chose to.

Tapatyped

 

[Bad Ninja]

That is not correct. Some people factor in what they would like to do day in, day out and have other concerns besides maximum profits. While you need to be profitable, there is more to life than just money. Some people do what they do because they love it. That being said ,you still need a well-executed business plan.

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You are missing my point entirely.
"Likes" and "more to life" have nothing to do with the operational mechanics of business.

The business doesn't "like" or "live".
It exists only to generate profit.
Everyone including the CEO works for the company and gets paid to do a specific job that generates profit for the company.

Provape made a series of willful mistakes over the last few years and it cost them alot.

They did have a quality product, but they failed to evolve, and when they finally did with the Radius, it was too little, too late.

They were asked for years to make a product compatible with current gear so many times they posted a disclaimer on their site, refusing to evolve.

Provape made a very high quality product.
I would think the provari would easily get approval.
Its sad to see them go, and Ill agree the regulations didnt help, but a blind man could have seen this coming. Dont blame it all on The FDA.

 

[smacksy]

Bought these two from Provape a number of yrs ago..they have sat on the shelf when I got into mechs and subohm about 3yrs ago ..Built like a tank but grossly underpowered..I think when these high powered VW mods that could fire down to 0.1 ohm came out helped kill the Provari..
Always wished Provape would build a quality 100w+ affordable mod ..They never did, and that's sad, least to me it is because now they are no more..



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[Topwater Elvis]

Once again the arm chair quarterback's, vaping know it all's, must advance or do it like I do it or you're doing it wronger's,
self proclaimed business genius's & general haters sling poo all over a Provape thread.

You either were their target market or you weren't, never a good reason to be an ...... about other people's choices & what they value.

 

[WillyZee]

Provape made a very high quality product.
I would think the provari would easily get approval.
Its sad to see them go, and Ill agree the regulations didnt help, but a blind man could have seen this coming. Dont blame it all on The FDA.

Would a blind man see that nothing is going to get FDA approved? ... no devices for open tank vaping and zero open bottles of eLiquid.

IMO, locked down cigalikes and pod devices might be it ... it's all there in the deeming.

I'm curious as to how much these blind folks you know can actually see?

 

[Train2]

Just this bit, I feel you are underestimating the insanity of the regs.
There is NO CHANCE at all of approval.
Approval, as written currently, takes years, and probably millions invested in 3rd party studies proving your technology is healthier than existing alternatives, with a stated inclination to decline anything you can refill.
If the FDA doesn't get reigned in, nothing will be approved except for a couple tobacco-backed closed systems or "pod"-style devices.

I would think the provari would easily get approval.

 

[beckdg]

I cannot even start to blame a company for putting safety first.

Me either.

But I can call them on their lies.

Being I had in depth knowledge on how the battery tech worked that they were blaming for their proprietary restrictions.

And access to an ohms law calculator that made those lies blatantly obvious.

They could have made a solid tube 18650 60 watt option when they introduced the P3 and been well within their "safety" philosophy.

Instead, they catered to their dwindling zealots' arguments.

And lost a TON of sales.

Tapatyped

 

[daviedog]

Then they should have opened a charity.

A business has one sole purpose:
To build profit for its investors.
Period.

Someone should have taken a business class.

Saving lives is a noble gesture, but a business tasked with putting charity first will fall short of its sole purpose for existing, and eventually fail.


The vape scene is filled with poor business models and failed ventures.

Great post Bad,, charities are Ok,,well as long as they are used as a Tax dodge..

 

[Ed_C]

You are missing my point entirely.
"Likes" and "more to life" have nothing to do with the operational mechanics of business.

The business doesn't "like" or "live".
It exists only to generate profit.
Everyone including the CEO works for the company and gets paid to do a specific job that generates profit for the company.

Provape made a series of willful mistakes over the last few years and it cost them alot.

They did have a quality product, but they failed to evolve, and when they finally did with the Radius, it was too little, too late.

They were asked for years to make a product compatible with current gear so many times they posted a disclaimer on their site, refusing to evolve.

Provape made a very high quality product.
I would think the provari would easily get approval.
Its sad to see them go, and Ill agree the regulations didnt help, but a blind man could have seen this coming. Dont blame it all on The FDA.

Was Provape a publicly held company? If there are shareholders, I would agree that the responsibilities are quite different. If your company is wholly owned by you, you can have whatever motivations that please you, as long as you make enough to stay afloat. Which is what I was talking about.

 

[beckdg]

Once again the arm chair quarterback's, vaping know it all's, must advance or do it like I do it or you're doing it wronger's,
self proclaimed business genius's & general haters sling poo all over a Provape thread.

You either were their target market or you weren't, never a good reason to be an ...... about other people's choices & what they value.

Pot meet kettle.

And that's exactly why we get here... :closedminds: zealotry... and blind following

Tapatyped

 

[Hitcat44]

Me either.

But I can call them on their lies.

Being I had in depth knowledge on how the battery tech worked that they were blaming for their proprietary restrictions.

And access to an ohms law calculator that made those lies blatantly obvious.

They could have made a solid tube 18650 60 watt option when they introduced the P3 and been well within their "safety" philosophy.

Instead, they catered to their dwindling zealots' arguments.

And lost a TON of sales.

Tapatyped

Why so Angry?
You own Stock in them or something? Disgruntled former Employee? They never respond to your Fan-Mail?....
or was it Santa never brought you one for Christmas

Let it Go my Vape-Bro
Embrace your own Avatar.... OHMMMMMMM

Load up your 0.10 built Dripper,,, set Ching-Chong-Cheap Phaser to 250W Kill and Chillax. It's All Good.

 

[Ed_C]

You're confusing hobby and business.

Gee, thanks for the clarification, I'll let you get back to reading Business 101

 

[classwife]

sheesh...knock off the snot in here



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[smacksy]

Once again the arm chair quarterback's, vaping know it all's, must advance or do it like I do it or you're doing it wronger's,
self proclaimed business genius's & general haters sling poo all over a Provape thread.

You either were their target market or you weren't, never a good reason to be an ...... about other people's choices & what they value.

I wasn't putting down folks who MTL.. Not at all..Hell, I started that way, but found I prefer DL subohm much better than MTL..
Why target just a select few when Provape could've produced a mod that could cater to all folks who vape? Like a simple100w mod that could fire 0.1 subohm at 80w that could also fire a 1.8 ohm coil at 13w...same mod, same Provape quality... I will quit dreaming now, for Provape is history, unfortunately

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[daviedog]

Why so Angry?
You own Stock in them or something? Disgruntled former Employee? They never respond to your Fan-Mail?....
or was it Santa never brought you one for Christmas

Let it Go my Vape-Bro
Embrace your own Avatar.... OHMMMMMMM

Load up your 0.10 built Dripper,,, set Ching-Chong-Cheap Phaser to 250W Kill and Chillax. It's All Good.

Are you kidding? Beck has a creme de la creme collection..

 

[Bad Ninja]

Was Provape a publicly held company? If there are shareholders, I would agree that the responsibilities are quite different. If your company is wholly owned by you, you can have whatever motivations that please you, as long as you make enough to stay afloat. Which is what I was talking about.

I never said he couldn't do what he wanted.
People run good businesses into the ground every day with the best of intentions and a bad plan.
I said what they ran was a poor business model, and alienating a huge percenatge of your customer base contradicts the sole purpose of starting a business.

And Im 100% right.