Oh my Lord! Flavors banned in San Francisco !

[ScottP]

I'd probably say that the iPhone qualifies as more disruptive. It's been devastating to many companies who used to rule that market. The big cig companies are still in business and they haven't shut their doors yet.

While that is true, the iPhone only disrupted one single industry. eCigs are disrupting Big tobacco, Big Pharma, Big Government, and a lot of huge non-Profits that depend on funding from the above entities. While no one is closing their doors, you have a lot of huge players losing lots of money and of course they are going to fight back by any means possible.

 

[r055co]

Why would it? The wire we are using was easy to find before vaping was invented. Just like the batteries, we are using materials designed for other uses and those uses are not going anywhere. The only thing that might go away are the greedy people that buy 1000ft of the stuff for like $25 then sell it by the foot for $5 each under more cool names.

For a couple of example 317L 38g-44g for one

 

[chuck333]

I don't see the problem. Can't you just order your juice online or DIY any flavour you want? It would be cheaper than going into a B/M to buy juice anyway. If my town banned vape sales altogether it would have really zero effect on me.

 

[MrFawkes]

When you all upping sticks and moving to Europe?

Never. I like being able to speak my mind

 

[zoiDman]

I don't see the problem. Can't you just order your juice online or DIY any flavour you want? It would be cheaper than going into a B/M to buy juice anyway. If my town banned vape sales altogether it would have really zero effect on me.

So what Happens to all the B&M's? And the People that Work in them?

Do they just get Kicked to the Curb because they were in the wrong Business?

 

[chuck333]

So what Happens to all the B&M's? And the People that Work in them?

Do they just get Kicked to the Curb because they were in the wrong Business?

Sadly this happens all the time in many industries. The best thing is to pressure the city council to use some common sense although that is futile most times. Can't they just sell unflavoured juices and flavour shots on the side?

 

[zoiDman]

Sadly this happens all the time in many industries. The best thing is to pressure the city council to use some common sense although that is futile most times. Can't they just sell unflavoured juices and flavour shots on the side?

They Might?

But if they do, what is to Stop an Ordinance being passed to Ban DIY Flavorings being sold in a Vape Shop under the Reasonable Expectation that they will be used to "Adulterate a Tobacco Product"?

And is the type of Cat n' Mouse BS that e-Cigarette users should have to put up with Just Because they Don't Want to Smoke Cigarettes?

 

[zoiDman]

Sadly this happens all the time in many industries. The best thing is to pressure the city council to use some common sense although that is futile most times. Can't they just sell unflavoured juices and flavour shots on the side?

And BTW, No, this Doesn't happen all the time in the USA.

Because there was Virtually No Quantitative Scientific Evidence presented that showed that if Flavored e-Liquids were Banned in SF, that it would have Any Impact on Underage e-Cigarette use.

This was just an Emotional "We have to Save the Children" ploy.

 

[Rossum]

If my town banned vape sales altogether it would have really zero effect on me.

That's the case for many of us here. Heck, the entire planet could ban vape sales and it would have no effect on me. But that doesn't mean stuff like this doesn't peeve me off.

Sadly this happens all the time in many industries.

Sometimes, it does. Perhaps @zoiDman should have asked:

So what happens to all the smokers who were getting started on vaping by walking into B&M's?

 

[zoiDman]

Sadly this happens all the time in many industries. The best thing is to pressure the city council to use some common sense although that is futile most times. Can't they just sell unflavoured juices and flavour shots on the side?

BTW2 - If Underage e-Cigarette use does Not significantly drop because of this Flavored e-Liquid ban, will this Ordinance be Repelled?

Or will they just Move On to some other FUD Based argument about how we have to Ban Something Else?

 

[zoiDman]

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So what happens to all the smokers who were getting started on vaping by walking into B&M's?

 

[hell_storm2004]

The thing is, all of this wont affect much of the kids as well. I started smoking at 16, drinking 6 months later!

But the stores do check IDs when you buy stuff. So what was the harm in that?

 

[Opinionated]

We could revoke their statehood and let them setup their own country, then they could pass any dumbaxx law they like. Be one way to get Feinstein out of Washington.

If we do that we should sell it back o Mexico... they treat it like it's part of Mexico now anyway.

We can just build a wall around California too..

 

[englishmick]

So what happens to all the smokers who were getting started on vaping by walking into B&M's?

Like me. It was a while before I was ready to order on-line, and I doubt I would have made the effort without trying it first.

 

[Vinnybagodoughnuts]

I don't see the problem. Can't you just order your juice online or DIY any flavour you want? It would be cheaper than going into a B/M to buy juice anyway. If my town banned vape sales altogether it would have really zero effect on me.

You don't have a problem with this but what will they go after next? It may be something that does affect you personally.If you give them an inch they will take the mile.Just because this idiocy doesn't effect you does not mean you shouldn't care about the way its being done.That kind of complacency may be just as bad as the way these wingnuts are behaving.

 

[stols001]

It all matters. Even overseas countries (I am convinced that the US, Britain and Canada all pay attention to each other, and sometimes compete).

Yes, you can order flavors online.... Now. Should one take that attitude one may find that as the water heats up the frog is cooked, and you'll be needing to move to China for vape supplies.

Countries DO pay attention and the feds DO pay attention to the states and municipalities. They DO, sometimes (my thoughts only) these kinds of situations are engineered TO find out what the populace will do.

SF has been a test case for a lot of things and it hasn't always ended well. Etc.

So, be as complacent as you wish, it's your prerogative.. I was highly ALERT from the beginning and while I actually HAVE everything I need... that new , never vaper, current smoker who is struggling with health issues? They did NOT have the luxury I had of setting myself up for success regardless of deeming and anything else.

Anna

 

[hell_storm2004]

Well California might be splitting into three, from what I read on BBC this morning.

 

[untar]

California might be splitting into three

Again?

Don't know the numbers but I think that was proposed well over 100 times and never succeeded.

 

[stols001]

I wish they WOULD sometimes. CA is so huge, it would be much less motivating to bail them out the next time they overspend. Smaller states.

Ideally, in my fantasy politics league, we could have CA#1 run by a democrat, CA#2 by a republican and CA#3 by a libertarian.

Really life political grades, right before our eyes. Also, the "collisions" would be epic, all politicians from all three states would be required to wear football helmets at all times.

You believe I jest? I'm ONLY jesting because it's impossible, not because it wouldn't be GREAT.

Anna

 

[hell_storm2004]

The only thing i know that some counties of Oregon and Cali wanted a separate country or a state back in the 40s. Jefferson or something. The day they wanted to make serious move for it, the next day Pearl Harbor happened, so that plan went bust. Saw this on "How the State Got their Shapes" on H2 back when the channel was alive.