We have lost San Francisco. The Flavor Ban is REAL! TAKE ACTION

[Tristan J Respress]

Here is a video explaining most things.

Hey what's up guys Tristan_Vapes here! San Francisco has fallen. If you love to vape, now is the time to take action.

The FDA is currently considering rules for regulating flavored tobacco products, which will impact vaping flavors for many years to come. Just so you know we are still fighting for vaping to be it's own thing and not to be classified as a tobacco product.

So far, the number of comment collected compared to vapers is probably a significant difference. The current ANPR period is scheduled to end on June 19th, 2018. SO TAKE ACTION!

The FDA wants to know the effect that flavors have on attracting youth to trying tobacco products, but they also mention repeatedly that they understand how flavors are also helping adults quit smoking.

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[CMD-Ky]

I am considering taking the attitude of the general public. It doesn't affect me, I don't use flavors and, hey, it might be a good idea, the children, you know.

/sarc, if required for clarity

 

[Upinsmoke]

 

[DeloresRose]

Don’t know how much good it’ll do, but I submitted:

I quit a 2 pack a day, 35 year smoking addiction with vaping nearly five years ago. I am using flavored ejuice, vanilla mint, butter pecan ice cream, blueberry coconut, raspberry slush, grape bubblegum, peanut butter pie and others in the bakery, fruit and candy types.

I do not like any fake tobacco flavors. I would not ever vape if that was the only choice.

I am 55 years old. I raised two children, so I do care about children’s health and safety, but I cannot see how taking flavors away from adults who legally purchase e juice is helpful to children who cannot by law buy it. It is up to those who sell e liquid to require a form of ID as proof of age.

Recently, a four year old boy complimented my Mustang. Does that mean Ford should stop making them? Are they marketing cars to kids? Are kids going to just go buy a car and drive without a license?

Limiting vapers to crappy cigarette type flavors will greatly affect future vapers. And we, the public, are not stupid. We know that children’s health and safety is the least of our current government’s concern. If flavors are banned, trust me, we know it’s because you bow to big tobacco, and you’re far more concerned about their loss of revenue than you are about our kids, or the lives lost to smoking. And trust me, too, that we vape, we vote, and we’re watching.

 

[chellie]

Don’t know how much good it’ll do, but I submitted:

I quit a 2 pack a day, 35 year smoking addiction with vaping nearly five years ago. I am using flavored ejuice, vanilla mint, butter pecan ice cream, blueberry coconut, raspberry slush, grape bubblegum, peanut butter pie and others in the bakery, fruit and candy types.

I do not like any fake tobacco flavors. I would not ever vape if that was the only choice.

I am 55 years old. I raised two children, so I do care about children’s health and safety, but I cannot see how taking flavors away from adults who legally purchase e juice is helpful to children who cannot by law buy it. It is up to those who sell e liquid to require a form of ID as proof of age.

Recently, a four year old boy complimented my Mustang. Does that mean Ford should stop making them? Are they marketing cars to kids? Are kids going to just go buy a car and drive without a license?

Limiting vapers to crappy cigarette type flavors will greatly affect future vapers. And we, the public, are not stupid. We know that children’s health and safety is the least of our current government’s concern. If flavors are banned, trust me, we know it’s because you bow to big tobacco, and you’re far more concerned about their loss of revenue than you are about our kids, or the lives lost to smoking. And trust me, too, that we vape, we vote, and we’re watching.

I agree - I went off about this in another thread (Oh my Lord! Flavors banned in San Francisco !) - do we ban the new alcoholic sparkling water, too since kiddos have access to water. My opinion is that it is all about the almighty dollar. San Fran has approved dispensaries for the other legal in some states stuff that we can't mention and one of the items on the menu is Golden State Banana weed -- but that is apparently OK. Couldn't a child see the word banana affiliated with a legal dispensary and somehow be unduly influenced to want to try legal when they become of age items?

Gambling and dispensary entities pay lots of dollars (and I am from the gaming industry) so a blind eye is absolutely turned and they have a lot of influence on lawmakers. Kids, for example, can walk through a casino - preferably, but not always, on the perimeter to access restaurants, arcades, events etc ... They see gambling - cannot partake in it until they are of age but they can see it and walk right through it and that is OK .... but vaping and tobacco flavors are not. Hmmmmm or should I say $$$$$.

What about alcohol --beer and wine and hard liquor are sold in supermarkets. I guess that needs to be banned as well?

Parents should be accountable for the actions of their minor children. But again, it is not about health it about money!

 

[Coyote628]

I agree - I went off about this in another thread (Oh my Lord! Flavors banned in San Francisco !) - do we ban the new alcoholic sparkling water, too since kiddos have access to water. My opinion is that it is all about the almighty dollar. San Fran has approved dispensaries for the other legal in some states stuff that we can't mention and one of the items on the menu is Golden State Banana weed -- but that is apparently OK. Couldn't a child see the word banana affiliated with a legal dispensary and somehow be unduly influenced to want to try legal when they become of age items?

Gambling and dispensary entities pay lots of dollars (and I am from the gaming industry) so a blind eye is absolutely turned and they have a lot of influence on lawmakers. Kids, for example, can walk through a casino - preferably, but not always, on the perimeter to access restaurants, arcades, events etc ... They see gambling - cannot partake in it until they are of age but they can see it and walk right through it and that is OK .... but vaping and tobacco flavors are not. Hmmmmm or should I say $$$$$.

What about alcohol --beer and wine and hard liquor are sold in supermarkets. I guess that needs to be banned as well?

Parents should be accountable for the actions of their minor children. But again, it is not about health it about money!

You hit the nail on the head...PARENTS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THEIR MINOR CHILDREN!!!

 

[CMD-Ky]

You hit the nail on the head...PARENTS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THEIR MINOR CHILDREN!!!

Sadly we live in a society in which no one is accountable for anything.

 

[chellie]

Sadly we live in a society in which no one is accountable for anything.

I really do not like being cynical but ... there is a lot of truth in your statement. I mean not everyone, of course, but the tone of not being accountable is there. And it is not just kids.

Example, a person that is friends with a family member of mine received her paycheck last month. She is 60 + years old and does contract security work so the number of hours varies week to week. She was erroneously paid 10 hours of overtime. She did not tell anyone including my friend or her employer. On her next paycheck, the company figured out she was overpaid and automatically deducted the overpayment leaving her with a very small paycheck because she had very few hours that paycheck.

She absolutely flipped out because she had an important bill to pay and could not make her payment. Flipped out - going on and on that it is the company's fault and she should not be penalized for their error ---blah blah blah. I was present for that second conversation and she asked me what I thought trying to get me to agree with her. She sure did not like my answer - I told her that if she was honest in the first place - they would have recut her check or told her that they would deduct it from the next check and she could have then figured out her finances. I also told her that if it was me in charge that I have would have reservations about even giving her future hours and probably wouldn't -- especially as security professional - because her behavior was definitely questionable.

I said my piece and then shut up because she just did not want to hear it and kept going on and on (and on) that it was the company's fault and not hers.

 

[Opinionated]

It's this perpetual victimhood that keeps being pedaled to Americans. Everyone is a victim these days. Your a victim of companies or big business, of banking or the 1%, of racists or racism, of politicians or government...

We live in a society of perpetual victimhood where everyone is a victim...

and in this state of victimhood someone owes you... you are owed something..

And the mindset is to just take it.. they don't care about right or wrong anymore, or about what they worked for and earned, all they know is someone owes them something..

It's ridiculous.

And what some don't realize, is the fruit of that perpetual victimhood is what we have now.. government overreach and government banning stuff like their favorite flavors. Welcome to what they invited upon all our heads.. they asked for it, they got it.

We all get to live with it until they finally get it through their heads that freedom is better.

 

[chellie]

It's this perpetual victimhood that keeps being pedaled to Americans. Everyone is a victim these days. Your a victim of companies or big business, of banking or the 1%, of racists or racism, of politicians or government...

We live in a society of perpetual victimhood where everyone is a victim...

and in this state of victimhood someone owes you... you are owed something..

And the mindset is to just take it.. they don't care about right or wrong anymore, or about what they worked for and earned, all they know is someone owes them something..

It's ridiculous.

And what some don't realize, is the fruit of that perpetual victimhood is what we have now.. government overreach and government banning stuff like their favorite flavors. Welcome to what they invited upon all our heads.. they asked for it, they got it.

We all get to live with it until they finally get it through their heads that freedom is better.

And they are coddled by society to the point of ridiculousness. A while back I had become involved in a work grievance. A manager disciplined an employee for repeated lateness - all totally by the book. There was a policy on it. This employee took the bus and her contention was that she could not control the bus and should in no way receive a write-up and wanted/demanded to see me. I supported the manager and let her know that it was her responsibility to be at work on time. I very nicely suggested that perhaps she needed to take an earlier bus in order to have extra time for any mishaps. Suggested. Employee filed a union grievance against me and said that I was demanding that she leave her house 2 hours prior to her shift. I won, of course, but grrr.. And the challenge for me is to not let it taint me when dealing with others.

It seems that with social media --- whatever person or group cries the loudest and gets a bunch of followers on their side scores a victory. Sad!

 

[DaveP]

San Francisco can ban all the flavors they want. It's just going to shift the purchases to other locations. Can anyone spell, "Loss of tax revenue"?

Cherry Vodka was popular when I was a teenager. I drank too much one night and got sick. From then on it was no flavors for me (by choice). It tasted fine going down...

 

[Rossum]

We live in a society of perpetual victimhood where everyone is a victim...

Not everyone. Personally, I refuse to be a victim.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

San Francisco fell a long time ago.

 

[ScottP]

@chellie @Opinionated @CMD-Ky

Welcome to the "Idiocracy". Where social media is the primary news source, as well as the judge and jury. Where people prefer to collect "likes"" and 'retweets" and "going viral" means more than honesty or integrity. Money has been crowned the new king and the best way for companies to make it is by collecting and selling OUR data, and the internet is more click-bait than content.

 

[chellie]

J

@chellie @Opinionated @CMD-Ky

Welcome to the "Idiocracy". Where social media is the primary news source, as well as the judge and jury. Where people prefer to collect "likes"" and 'retweets" and "going viral" means more than honesty or integrity. Money has been crowned the new king and the best way for companies to make it is by collecting and selling OUR data, and the internet is more click-bait than content.

I think this falls in line with this discussion. Just saw Rossen on the Today show - a guy is in the hospital after his batteries exploded in his pocket. Rossen shows that they were loose batteries in his pocket -- The part that stuck with me is the hospitalized guy saying along the lines of ...something has to be done about this --- I am in the worst pain ever and there a lot of people using "these things"


Loose batteries + Change in pocket = danger
Guy hospitalized - batteries explode - blames industry

Injured father warns of e-cigarette battery explosions

 

[stols001]

My new job search taught me one thing. We are completely COMMUNISTIC, at the very least, in the LACK of privacy we have. It's sort of frightening. SO many jobs wanted "access" or at least "encouraged" to submit social media profiles. The only ones that didn't were more professional SW jobs.

It really grossed me out. And I don't USE SM for a WIDE variety of reasons, the MOST being my right to privacy. It gives me the heebie jeebies.

Quite frankly, if I'm paying THAT much attention to FB madness, if I were a HR person, I'd be like, "That person will be on internet sites all day on their phones."

But somehow, society has deemed SM a GOOD THING and I think it's a bit sick. I closed my account once FB wanted to use "Facial recognition software" on me. Their somewhat "creepy" rationale was "We can notify you if someone is using your picture." UH HUH

Holy goodness. Any online advocacy anywhere (for me) has been ineffective other than getting a bunch of spam (and honestly CASA, well, you support a WIDE variety of things, not just vaping I don't want to sign a petition all DAY) and getting on congress persons mailing lists which makes me mad (after the obligatory Aide email "Thank you for your concerns," etc.

There is no privacy. None. It's just becoming more than unfortunate, it is FRIGHTENING.

Anna

 

[Opinionated]

Nvm..

 

[MacTechVpr]

My new job search taught me one thing. We are completely COMMUNISTIC, at the very least, in the LACK of privacy we have. It's sort of frightening. SO many jobs wanted "access" or at least "encouraged" to submit social media profiles. The only ones that didn't were more professional SW jobs.

It really grossed me out. And I don't USE SM for a WIDE variety of reasons, the MOST being my right to privacy. It gives me the heebie jeebies.

Quite frankly, if I'm paying THAT much attention to FB madness, if I were a HR person, I'd be like, "That person will be on internet sites all day on their phones."

But somehow, society has deemed SM a GOOD THING and I think it's a bit sick. I closed my account once FB wanted to use "Facial recognition software" on me. Their somewhat "creepy" rationale was "We can notify you if someone is using your picture." UH HUH

Holy goodness. Any online advocacy anywhere (for me) has been ineffective other than getting a bunch of spam (and honestly CASA, well, you support a WIDE variety of things, not just vaping I don't want to sign a petition all DAY) and getting on congress persons mailing lists which makes me mad (after the obligatory Aide email "Thank you for your concerns," etc.

There is no privacy. None. It's just becoming more than unfortunate, it is FRIGHTENING.

Anna

Exactly. What was the point ever of protecting property if there is no privacy?

Good luck.

 

[mackman]

HR analyst' use social media as another tool in evaluating potential candidates "character".

 

[Equality 7-2521]

J


I think this falls in line with this discussion. Just saw Rossen on the Today show - a guy is in the hospital after his batteries exploded in his pocket. Rossen shows that they were loose batteries in his pocket -- The part that stuck with me is the hospitalized guy saying along the lines of ...something has to be done about this --- I am in the worst pain ever and there a lot of people using "these things"


Loose batteries + Change in pocket = danger
Guy hospitalized - batteries explode - blames industry

Injured father warns of e-cigarette battery explosions

I wonder if any reporters asked the guy...."yep there's alot of people using them Einstien and yet none of them are sharing a hospital room with you..did you ever wonder why."