Ok so I am new and completely lost
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I found it after I posted. Guess I just didn't expect the product description to be after the options and the add to cart button! I was really just browsing. It looks nice, but I have decided on the buzz.
I'm sure you will love it! Be sure to order some tasty juices and extra cartos etc.
I agree 100%. I don't see why it is anymore complicated to screw an atty/carto/tank on a big battery then it is a small. And if the PV you choose has more options how can that be a bad thing. I remeber back in 09' when things were truly complicated and you had to figure out how to fold the pyramid tea bag properly by watching 3 tutorials and a video before you could vape or cut the straw to the exact length to get the atty mod to work! This is a great community and I have never had a problem that someone did not walk me through! The OP sounded to me like he was looking for a way to make his vaping experience more satisfying so he could stick with it... And there are a thousand posts on this forum that support the fact that bigger batteries do the trick. And just as many people who started out with a blue or something similiar and ended up with REO. So why spend all the money when you can start with what works.
Sorry to throw even more info at you but I found this page, or anything written by DonDaBoomVape, very helpful in explaining the basics/keywords/technical jargon:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ping-illustrated-guide-e-cigs-part-1-6-a.html
Another wonderful resource for me is steeljan. She's been referred to as the 'MacGyver of Mods'. I haven't tried the products she reviews yet, but I like the way she explains the technical stuff in a way that I can begin to wrap my head around. You can find her videos here if you're interested:
YouTube - Review - KR808D-1 Smart PCC Kit from DigitalCiggz
There are many other reviewers as well:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hos-your-favorite-e-cig-youtube-reviewer.html
There's a link here on ECF called ask the veterans... perhaps posting your comments there might help? (don't forget to check your inbox/posts for their answers like I did).
Good luck and hang in there!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ping-illustrated-guide-e-cigs-part-1-6-a.html
Another wonderful resource for me is steeljan. She's been referred to as the 'MacGyver of Mods'. I haven't tried the products she reviews yet, but I like the way she explains the technical stuff in a way that I can begin to wrap my head around. You can find her videos here if you're interested:
YouTube - Review - KR808D-1 Smart PCC Kit from DigitalCiggz
There are many other reviewers as well:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hos-your-favorite-e-cig-youtube-reviewer.html
There's a link here on ECF called ask the veterans... perhaps posting your comments there might help? (don't forget to check your inbox/posts for their answers like I did).
Good luck and hang in there!
Absolutely 100% agree. Just buy the best from the start. If everyone did that then the crap suppliers would be out of business very fast. I wish I had bought a mod from the very start. It would have saved me a lot of money and grief. All newbies advice ~ just buy a well-reviewed mod and enjoy your vaping!
Go to the sub forum "ECF Library" and read The Wonderful World of Vaping. It explains a lot of stuff and I'm glad I got to it when I was first researching.
I've found Vaping to be very gear dependent. If you're not getting the vapor production you want it could be your battery connection, an overfilled carto/cartridge/atty, an underfilled carto/cartridge/atty, or a weak battery. More likely for you - since you just started - it's the way you're puffing on it. You need to take long, slow draws, even moreso if you're using an automatic battery - since the battery doesn't kick on in an auto for a second or two.
I also wouldn't suggest juice that tries to mimic brand name cigarettes, they're always disappointing, and even if they get the flavor exactly down, Analog cigarettes all taste terrible - and thus, the juice will taste terrible.
I've found Vaping to be very gear dependent. If you're not getting the vapor production you want it could be your battery connection, an overfilled carto/cartridge/atty, an underfilled carto/cartridge/atty, or a weak battery. More likely for you - since you just started - it's the way you're puffing on it. You need to take long, slow draws, even moreso if you're using an automatic battery - since the battery doesn't kick on in an auto for a second or two.
I also wouldn't suggest juice that tries to mimic brand name cigarettes, they're always disappointing, and even if they get the flavor exactly down, Analog cigarettes all taste terrible - and thus, the juice will taste terrible.
Confused?
Getting Started
Your 901 e-cig is a mini. That model and similar models look more like cigarettes, but do not have the best battery life.
So, most people will recommend a starter kit like: eGo, Riva, e-Power, etc. They are more like a cigar, but have better battery life. For many people, the fact that they are not the same as a cigarette is no big deal.
You indicated you really need something stronger than your 901. As a starter kit, I suggested an Echo. It's similar to the eGo, Riva, e-Power, etc. but a little stronger.
I got the impression, though, that you aren't going to give up cigarettes all that easy. There may not a perfect e-cigarette solution for you. However, you may be able to use one to cut down on your smoking. And, eventually, you may be able to give the cigarettes up entirely.
Mods
If it's just a matter of finding an e-cigarette that hits hard enough for you to quit analogs entirely, you can look at a mod. Mods tend to be expensive and it can be tricky finding the right one, so I would tend not to recommend one to start off. However, I'll just mention a few out there, anyway.
So, you might want to look into a model where you can change the voltage settings anywhere from 3.7 volts to 6 volts or higher. Higher gives you more taste and vapour, but too high will burn your juice. Not everyone likes the highest setting. The ideal setting might be closer to between 4.5 volts and 5 volts. You'll have to figure out which setting works for you.
If you're interested in a variable voltage mod, you can start looking at the Provari, Buzz Pro (not out yet, but it looks like a pretty nice model at a better price), or the Ali'i. If you're handy with a soldering iron, you could try making a cheap one for yourself from the variable voltage kit from MadVapes. MadVapes also sells pre-built ones. But they won't be as durable or as comfortable as the other mods.
You could also look at a battery tube mod. Depending on which batteries you buy with the system, you can configure them to run at 3 volts, 3.7 volts, 5 volts, 6 volts or 7.4 volts. You'll have to look at each mod and figure out how much power you want and what battery configurations it supports. So, mods in this category include: Silver Bullet, REO Grand, GGTS and Maxi RoughStack.
If you buy a mod, you'll likely have to purchase batteries and an atomizer or cartomizer separately. You might be interested in a MAP tank as your atomizer/cartomizer. You can also keep a lot of juice with you if you get a bottom feeder (Journeyman, Ali'i, REO, etc.).
Here's a site that will give you a good idea about the mods are out there: Best e-Cig Mod List | e-Cig Mods Database
There's a lot of different mods out there, and I'm generally hesitant about recommending one as a starter model. There are lots of good threads here at ECF devoted to each mod so you can see all the pros and cons.
Hopefully, this post will help if that's what you really need.
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Just keep repeating simple questions if you get a little lost with all of the responses. We're here to help.
Getting Started
Your 901 e-cig is a mini. That model and similar models look more like cigarettes, but do not have the best battery life.
So, most people will recommend a starter kit like: eGo, Riva, e-Power, etc. They are more like a cigar, but have better battery life. For many people, the fact that they are not the same as a cigarette is no big deal.
You indicated you really need something stronger than your 901. As a starter kit, I suggested an Echo. It's similar to the eGo, Riva, e-Power, etc. but a little stronger.
I got the impression, though, that you aren't going to give up cigarettes all that easy. There may not a perfect e-cigarette solution for you. However, you may be able to use one to cut down on your smoking. And, eventually, you may be able to give the cigarettes up entirely.
Mods
If it's just a matter of finding an e-cigarette that hits hard enough for you to quit analogs entirely, you can look at a mod. Mods tend to be expensive and it can be tricky finding the right one, so I would tend not to recommend one to start off. However, I'll just mention a few out there, anyway.
So, you might want to look into a model where you can change the voltage settings anywhere from 3.7 volts to 6 volts or higher. Higher gives you more taste and vapour, but too high will burn your juice. Not everyone likes the highest setting. The ideal setting might be closer to between 4.5 volts and 5 volts. You'll have to figure out which setting works for you.
If you're interested in a variable voltage mod, you can start looking at the Provari, Buzz Pro (not out yet, but it looks like a pretty nice model at a better price), or the Ali'i. If you're handy with a soldering iron, you could try making a cheap one for yourself from the variable voltage kit from MadVapes. MadVapes also sells pre-built ones. But they won't be as durable or as comfortable as the other mods.
You could also look at a battery tube mod. Depending on which batteries you buy with the system, you can configure them to run at 3 volts, 3.7 volts, 5 volts, 6 volts or 7.4 volts. You'll have to look at each mod and figure out how much power you want and what battery configurations it supports. So, mods in this category include: Silver Bullet, REO Grand, GGTS and Maxi RoughStack.
If you buy a mod, you'll likely have to purchase batteries and an atomizer or cartomizer separately. You might be interested in a MAP tank as your atomizer/cartomizer. You can also keep a lot of juice with you if you get a bottom feeder (Journeyman, Ali'i, REO, etc.).
Here's a site that will give you a good idea about the mods are out there: Best e-Cig Mod List | e-Cig Mods Database
There's a lot of different mods out there, and I'm generally hesitant about recommending one as a starter model. There are lots of good threads here at ECF devoted to each mod so you can see all the pros and cons.
Hopefully, this post will help if that's what you really need.
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Just keep repeating simple questions if you get a little lost with all of the responses. We're here to help.
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As a newbie, I totally agree with VeeDubb65 -- don't start with a mod. I'm an application systems analyst so I'm certainly not a techno-idiot, but e-cigs are waaaaaay more complicated than cigarettes. (And I'm not using vape-code language because the OP already said he's confused. Why make it worse?)
Smoking requires a cigarette and fire. Period. Touch the latter to the former and you're good to go. The hardest thing you have to learn about smoking is how to get a cigarette out of a tightly packed box.
It's just downright misleading to say e-cigs aren't complicated. They are. Otherwise, there would be no need for a New Member Forum. Many newbies don't need the stress of learning a new automated 'system' -- stress is one of the main reasons they pick up the cigarettes in the first place.
The minis/super-minis have limitations, but I've heard very good things about the Volt and it falls into that category. IMO, the next step up (and the one I chose this time around) was a RiVa (ego). But ... it's much more complicated than the simple mini 901 I started with (which admittedly didn't work too well, but technology has improved in the 3 years since I did that).
I have my own little pet theory. For those of you who recommend that BatFanBob start out with a mod (I think that's dockholidaiy, phonicwater, Phiniac, wv2win and Nicko), would you mind revealing your gender and age?
Smoking requires a cigarette and fire. Period. Touch the latter to the former and you're good to go. The hardest thing you have to learn about smoking is how to get a cigarette out of a tightly packed box.
It's just downright misleading to say e-cigs aren't complicated. They are. Otherwise, there would be no need for a New Member Forum. Many newbies don't need the stress of learning a new automated 'system' -- stress is one of the main reasons they pick up the cigarettes in the first place.
The minis/super-minis have limitations, but I've heard very good things about the Volt and it falls into that category. IMO, the next step up (and the one I chose this time around) was a RiVa (ego). But ... it's much more complicated than the simple mini 901 I started with (which admittedly didn't work too well, but technology has improved in the 3 years since I did that).
I have my own little pet theory. For those of you who recommend that BatFanBob start out with a mod (I think that's dockholidaiy, phonicwater, Phiniac, wv2win and Nicko), would you mind revealing your gender and age?
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My mom has COPD and stopped an almost 60 year habit in a few weeks. She started with a KR808 with prefilled 36 mg carts. That lasted just a couple weeks at that strength and it got her off cigarettes. Then she got a Riva Ego and went from 24, 18, and is currently at 6 mg nicotine. It wasn't over night, it took about 5 months to do this. She likes tobacco flavor and I get her juice from Backwoods Brew. She vaped their 555, Virginia and now sticks with Casablanca. She uses boge cartomizers or dual coil cartomizers.
Good luck!
Good luck!
How complicated can they be? They sell them in convenience stores. I'd venture to say 10% of vapors post or read forums.
I think the gadget lovers or people that enjoy that sort of thing seek out forums.
Anything can be a simple or as complicated as you want. You can get a click and go camera or one with more features.
Well, complicated doesn't necessarily mean hard to figure out. I think he put it extremely well. Smoking requires you to apply flame to a premade cigarette. Period.
Even with mini e-cigs (510, KR808) you have a plethora of cartridge, atty and cartomizer options, you have batteries to charge, nicotine concentrations, base liquids and a whole new culture if you want to discuss them online.
With mods, you add a lot more on top of that. Specialized rechargable batteries that still have to be ordered online or bought at specialty shops, a size and weight that are so totally out of proportion with cigarettes that someone transitioning from cigarettes may not be able to use one comfortably, extreme added cost in most cases, etc.
I'm not saying that mods are bad. I'm saying that in the year I've bee vaping and the now 20 or so people I've personally turned on to vaping, they are a poor choice for new users.
Someone made the comment just the other day, in reference to my defense of the Innokin Lea, that people often have a tendency to try harder than they should to defend something that they own, possibly because it helps them to justify their ownership. I think that contributes to the ever present recommendation of mods to new users.
This is great advice. Backwoods brew tobacco is great and the Riva with the boge cartomizers is very simple. I would also suggest the Echo as it is a larger cartomizer then the Boge so you can go all day with one cartomizer. The battery is automatic so no button and works awesome. It's probably the simpliest pv I have seen. Amazing hit and vapor also. I use a mod now with the boge cartos but I am 28 and love gadgets
One thing with me is I cannot stand 100% pv because I love vapor. Without that and I want a cig. I use 80%pv for flavor and throat hit and 20%VG for vapor.
Please explain, how in the heck, a plain RIVA with an atomizer or cartomizer, is more "complicated" than a 901 mini with an atomizer or cartomizer???? If you say, "you have to push a button" before you inhale, we will all get a big laugh. In fact I will argue than any auto battery is more complicated than a manual battery because you have to learn to do the double/triple super slow inhale method just to get one, half way decent hit. And then heaven forbide if you happen to leak liquid into that mini 901 or 402 auto battery.
All you are doing is scaring a new person away from a better vaping system for some less than good reason. And I don't see how it matters on what advice I give but I am in the middle age years now and I am a male. And I know quite a few 20 something females who vape that would give the same advice as I have given.
Thanks, JWebb.
Availing one's self of all the different vaping techniques, can get more complicated, but it doesn't have to be. I would agree that "exploring" all the different vaping methods, maintenance, upgrades, liquids, etc can get involved. It is accurate to say that "vaping" CAN be complicated, if you want it to be. But using a better battery on the same plain ole atty or carto that a new person was using on a weak, tiny, ineffective battery, is NOT complicated.
Oh my, keep your britches on. Take a deep vape and calm yourself.
The reason my RiVa is more complicated than my 3-year-old 901 is because the 901 at that time came with pre-filled cartridges only. The only choices were high nic or low, menthol or regular, blue or red on your glowing tip. No HR vs LR atties, no drip tip, no cartos vs carts, no thousands of juice flavors, no button, etc., etc., etc.
I don't think I'm scaring someone away from a 'better' system. The definition of 'better' is subjective. Your better isn't the same as mine. So maybe you're scaring them away from my 'better'.
As far as the age/gender thing, it's been my personal experience that males from 20 to 45 tend to more into gadgetry of all kinds than males 50 and up. As far as females, I find the most gadget-comfortable to be in their 20's. IMO, someone who's into gadgetry is more likely to think a Mod is the 'best'. But hey ... I said it was only a theory.
I would strongly disagree with advice to not use a mod. I went from a little mall ecig like you're using to a mod. I was at my wit's end. I spent $190 on the little ecig at the mall (51Trio kit). I didn't know what ECF was. I looked on CraigsList for electronic cigarette and there was this college student selling his mods. $50. I'm forever grateful to Matt for meeting me at Starbucks and sharing his mods and knowledge. I bought both of them. That was over 5 months ago and I haven't had a cigarette since. I am heart-connected to mods but tried everything in between. We're all different. If you need help click on my name and choose private message. You can check the classified section here on ECF. Vaping has become a hobby for a good number of people. They buy, try and sell mods there and repeat. You might find what you're looking for at a great price. All the best to you.
And NONE of that is necessary to vape on a better battery PV such as the RIVA or GLV2 or a good 5 volt box mod. All you need is the atty and if one prefers, a prefilled cart. Very simple and a much better vaping experience over a mini auto battery that loses power after 30 minutes.
I agree with you that ecigs are complicated but only if you get a piece of crap ecig. If you get a big fat mod vaping is the most simple thing in the world. Its only complicated when you get your 901 or 401 or 808 and you want it to do more than it does!
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