Here is an interesting read
http://www.cardnochemrisk.com/~chem...OT_2014/Pierce_Diacetyl_SOT_2014_Abstract.pdf
http://www.cardnochemrisk.com/~chem...OT_2014/Pierce_Diacetyl_SOT_2014_Abstract.pdf
(Old?) News and tests - diacetyl
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Thanks, hadn't seen that one. Be nice if they'd settle this one way or the other.
I only buy one brand of ejuice and it's all diketone free, otherwise I mix my own with diketone free flavoring, I don't like custards/cereals/buttery/creamy flavors so it's pretty simple for me to stay away from them.
I'd really hate to see all sorts of laws implemented around vaping but I really think juices need to be tested not by the FDA but by our own approval process. Last time I checked it was 22$ to get your juice tested (after shipping).
I'd really hate to see all sorts of laws implemented around vaping but I really think juices need to be tested not by the FDA but by our own approval process. Last time I checked it was 22$ to get your juice tested (after shipping).
But isn't the problem we are seeing in random testing by many media articles and Dr. F is that many folks are being told the liquid is diketone free and after testing they are not. This is why i think sellers should be requires to note whether their product has been tested or not...and if they claim it is diketone free show us the test to back up your claim...otherwise face legal consequences.
Seriously, the misleading to make a buck needs to stop and if it takes regulations to make sellers honest about their claims of what is and what isn't in their liquid then so be it. They should not be required to test IMO, but they should note if the liquid has or has not been tested.
Sellers who want to play business owner and wear a business hat should expect to be accountable for the products they sell and the claims they make about it. It's all part of the cost of running a business. If you can't afford to back up your claims then either don't make them, or go get the working capital you need so you can test and make legit claims. As with any business it takes money to make money and businesses should not be allowed to profit off of false claims that they did not spend the money or time to back up and make ...and if they do...fine the living crap out of them.
Seriously, the misleading to make a buck needs to stop and if it takes regulations to make sellers honest about their claims of what is and what isn't in their liquid then so be it. They should not be required to test IMO, but they should note if the liquid has or has not been tested.
Sellers who want to play business owner and wear a business hat should expect to be accountable for the products they sell and the claims they make about it. It's all part of the cost of running a business. If you can't afford to back up your claims then either don't make them, or go get the working capital you need so you can test and make legit claims. As with any business it takes money to make money and businesses should not be allowed to profit off of false claims that they did not spend the money or time to back up and make ...and if they do...fine the living crap out of them.
Do we have diketone detection down to an exact science...doesn't look like it...but all businesses can do is use the most current test available, the rest is up to the consumer to understand the limitations current testing may pose at this time... if they wish to vape flavors.
The current test is all businesses have in providing us with as much information as possible about the make up of their liquids so we can make informed decisions....which is far more informative then not having any testing at all. If more and more businesses step up to the plate and become proactive, the need for better testing will emerge with time.
The current test is all businesses have in providing us with as much information as possible about the make up of their liquids so we can make informed decisions....which is far more informative then not having any testing at all. If more and more businesses step up to the plate and become proactive, the need for better testing will emerge with time.
It took me a few months of reading on ECF to decide to cut out diketones and make my own juice. The handful of other vapers I know in the real world don't care. I get the impression they see me as a slightly nutty eccentric with my rows of little bottles and syringes and test results, like an organic vegetarian or something. People who eat fast food every day aren't going to worry about some chemical in their vape juice that might have caused a handful of casualties in popcorn factories. They don't worry about the upcoming regulations either.
That's the way people are. It's the way I was a few decades ago. Now I'm getting old and I have to worry about what I eat and all the rest. The consequences aren't something that might happen 30 years down the road any more.
I don't know what to say about the vendors. They just want to make a living in a cut throat world. The smarter business types who are looking at the long term are cutting out potentially dodgy ingredients, building clean rooms, and publishing test results, even if it cuts into their profits today and only impresses a handful of old geezers like me. Others are pumping out gallons of tasty diketone laced juice and making fast money from the kids who don't care. When the changes come they will move on.
None of it might even matter when the giant regulatory bulldozer comes rolling down the road. It won't affect me personally, I'm well stocked up, but in the meantime I've done what I could to nudge the process in the direction I think it should take.
That's the way people are. It's the way I was a few decades ago. Now I'm getting old and I have to worry about what I eat and all the rest. The consequences aren't something that might happen 30 years down the road any more.
I don't know what to say about the vendors. They just want to make a living in a cut throat world. The smarter business types who are looking at the long term are cutting out potentially dodgy ingredients, building clean rooms, and publishing test results, even if it cuts into their profits today and only impresses a handful of old geezers like me. Others are pumping out gallons of tasty diketone laced juice and making fast money from the kids who don't care. When the changes come they will move on.
None of it might even matter when the giant regulatory bulldozer comes rolling down the road. It won't affect me personally, I'm well stocked up, but in the meantime I've done what I could to nudge the process in the direction I think it should take.
In all right, diketones should just be taken out period. It's the folks who don't care that is the concern..when their health problems start they will more then likely become a financial burden on those of us who do care. That is the problem with folks nowadays...it's a carefree world where there is no accountability for choices..somebody else will pay for it and take care of me if it doesn't turn out well ideology....but but i want choice!! but i have no means to pay for the consequences of those choices...but they think they are entitled it.
I am all for youth not being able to legally smoke or vape..they are not mature enough in most cases to make good decisions...they make careless decisions and choices they have no ability to pay for when the consequences come to pass. I was an ignorant youth once..i speak from experience. Seriously, somebody has to put some stoppers in place to stop the financial bleeding for the rest of us..it's just human nature for people to want to do whatever they want and what pleases them..regardless of the cost to themselves or others. This is why i am not totally against some regulations. Sad thing is some of the youth continues to carry this ideology into their later adult lives.
I know many are not going to like what i just said for a variety of reasons..it's just the way i see it. The Gov already burdens me with financial burdens i should not be forced to bare. I am all for helping those programs that truly help the needy..but when needy is reflected in the checkout line and someone pulls out a gov food card to pay for their food while scrolling through their Iphone 6 it takes everything i have to not lose it.
I am all for youth not being able to legally smoke or vape..they are not mature enough in most cases to make good decisions...they make careless decisions and choices they have no ability to pay for when the consequences come to pass. I was an ignorant youth once..i speak from experience. Seriously, somebody has to put some stoppers in place to stop the financial bleeding for the rest of us..it's just human nature for people to want to do whatever they want and what pleases them..regardless of the cost to themselves or others. This is why i am not totally against some regulations. Sad thing is some of the youth continues to carry this ideology into their later adult lives.
I know many are not going to like what i just said for a variety of reasons..it's just the way i see it. The Gov already burdens me with financial burdens i should not be forced to bare. I am all for helping those programs that truly help the needy..but when needy is reflected in the checkout line and someone pulls out a gov food card to pay for their food while scrolling through their Iphone 6 it takes everything i have to not lose it.
Nope.......
Still keeping my
and waiting for actual Scientific Verification.
where are all the dead lab rats?
Still keeping my
and waiting for actual Scientific Verification.
where are all the dead lab rats?
We'll know better in 10-15 years.Nope.......
Still keeping my
and waiting for actual Scientific Verification.
where are all the dead lab rats?
Thanks for testing.
Nope.......
Still keeping my
and waiting for actual Scientific Verification.
where are all the dead lab rats?
They have all died of natural causes waiting for the science to come in.
You get higher exposure from smoking cigarettes.
People Have been smoking for a lot longer than 10-15 years.
Again, I'm with crxess.
Where's all the smokers with popcorn lung ?
Its not that we don't care,we do. Just as much as those claim they do. The problem is those that
think its their sacred duty to care for others and me that would rather care for ourselves as
adults should. Rather than practicing personal responsibility some would have the government once
again impose their collective view on all for the good of all. Its this type of altruistic thinking that
results in the government conducting SWAT TEAM raids on farms selling unpasteurized milk.
All we ask is to let us be accountable for our choices. Believe it or not the people you are accusing
of becoming financial burdens more times than not do pay their own way. They are insured and
use their own savings to pay for there treatment. They are in their forty's through sixties and at
the peak of their working careers and earning power. The majority of your so called financial burdens
were always,still and will be financial burdens as they are usually the poorest and or have had medical
issues for most of their lives or both. I have no problem with helping them out.
As you can see I am not a big fan of collective guilt nor collective responsibility as it results in the
over-regulated and stifling environment we find ourselves in now.
Regards
Mike
You have right to vape all diacetyl you want. Others have right to know if they it is present in a juice. Paper - about testing. So?
The only right others have is to find out for themselves and make their own decisions.
Nobody has died and made me boss.
Regards
Mike
We have rights?
When did this happen?
Do I not then have the right not to have snide remarks cast my way?
It wasn't hidden.
Funny thing, the paper failed to mention that the chemicals are present in higher concentrations in cigarette smoke, as referenced here:
http://www.cardnochemrisk.com/~chem...OT_2014/Pierce_Diacetyl_SOT_2014_Abstract.pdf
It's a biased article, with half truths and lacking any context or perspective.
Context and perspective are extremely important.
Pay no mind.We have rights?
When did this happen?
Do I not then have the right not to have snide remarks cast my way?
This thread is a troll.
I pointed that out in the beginning, when AT offered click bait with no commentary.
Science is real
Journalism is a fine art often based of personal Bias. Times have changed and it seems everyone has an agenda.
The article is is Rife with Editorial attacks and Journalistic accusations(self promoting?) without documented support.
Much like comments like this:
Journalism is a fine art often based of personal Bias. Times have changed and it seems everyone has an agenda.
The article is is Rife with Editorial attacks and Journalistic accusations(self promoting?) without documented support.
Much like comments like this:
From someone with no knowledge of What or How I Vape.........
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