OMG Chemicals In E-Liquids Eesh!

[skoony]

From what I have read, for vaping, there actually may be somewhat more danger in "organic" flavors than in the synthetic ones, just because diketones *are* naturally-occurring substances -- and in foods we eat or drink, no problem -- it's the inhalation that makes them tricky. So I have no issue as far as them being synthetic. Yes, at some point some other chemical(s) may rear its head and turn out to be dangerous, and if so, we'll deal with it if/when it arises -- but for now, we don't know *for sure* about any except the diketones, and I'm not even sure we do know *for sure* about those -- it would SEEM that they are potentially very dangerous to the lungs, so it's got to be better to avoid them wherever and whenever we can.

Some might say that the "v2" flavors I'm using aren't as good as the "real" ones, the originals, and that may or may not be true, but I have nothing to judge them by -- I've never tasted the diketone-laden flavors, that I know of, so the diketone-free flavors taste just fine to me.

Andria

the problem with natural vs synthetic is moot.
synthetics have nasty stuff in them precisely because
the natural flavors have them. their what gives the flavor,
its flavor. synthetic flavors are molecularity the same as
their natural counterparts.

regards
mike

 

[skoony]

I've read a lot of,.."I'm vaping 100% VG because I'm allergic to PG" type posts. I vape 70% VG but I'm quite curious what side effects these allergic people have due to PG?

If you are reading this and have allergic reactions to PG..please explain what reactions you were having.

i find this curios also. evidently 2-3 % of the population is sensitive to PG.
like with any allergy symptoms can range from relatively mild to acute.
some have just by adding 20-25 % VG have been able to adjust their
juice and eliminate most if not all of the discomfort.
here is a link discussing allergic reactions as pertaining to PG.
Allergic Reactions to E-liquid | Virgin Vapor | Electronic Cigarette Organic e-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes

a google search of your inquiry would show a wider over view as it pertains
to ingestion and topical use.
regards
mike

 

[Sirius]

i find this curios also. evidently 2-3 % of the population is sensitive to PG.
like with any allergy symptoms can range from relatively mild to acute.
some have just by adding 20-25 % VG have been able to adjust their
juice and eliminate most if not all of the discomfort.
here is a link discussing allergic reactions as pertaining to PG.
Allergic Reactions to E-liquid | Virgin Vapor | Electronic Cigarette Organic e-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes

a google search of your inquiry would show a wider over view as it pertains
to ingestion and topical use.
regards
mike

Thanks .. and thank you for that link Mike.

 

[AndriaD]

I normally vape very high PG percentages, 80%-85%, but recently I was able to experience for myself the irritation that so many seem to suffer from PG. Due to some bad ejuice that was smothering me very badly, after getting rid of that ejuice I was vaping 90% PG, to help my lungs. Unfortunately, I was at that time also starting to come down with a cold, and the two irritants, the cold virus and the extremely-high level of PG, irritated my throat and sinuses so badly it was like I had been snorting Drano or something equally caustic.

As soon as I realized that it was probably the extreme PG that was causing so much pain, I backed off to 80%, and my throat started getting better almost immediately; the sinuses are still somewhat in recuperation mode, sloughing off the dead skin caused by the chemical burn.

I don't think 2/3 are allergic to PG; I think a lot of people are irritated by it, and/or impatient to get this vaping thing on RIGHT NOW and have no patience for a gradual acclimatization; I started using an asthma inhaler about 30 yrs ago, which is probably why PG doesn't tend to bother me -- it certainly *can* bother me if it's too concentrated a proportion. I think that what most people call "allergy" is just a normal reaction to an irritant, and they're so impatient to get vaping RIGHT NOW, they won't take the time to gradually acclimate themselves to PG, yet go around blathering about their "PG allergy."

Andria

 

[Sirius]

I normally vape very high PG percentages, 80%-85%, but recently I was able to experience for myself the irritation that so many seem to suffer from PG. Due to some bad ejuice that was smothering me very badly, after getting rid of that ejuice I was vaping 90% PG, to help my lungs. Unfortunately, I was at that time also starting to come down with a cold, and the two irritants, the cold virus and the extremely-high level of PG, irritated my throat and sinuses so badly it was like I had been snorting Drano or something equally caustic.

As soon as I realized that it was probably the extreme PG that was causing so much pain, I backed off to 80%, and my throat started getting better almost immediately; the sinuses are still somewhat in recuperation mode, sloughing off the dead skin caused by the chemical burn.

I don't think 2/3 are allergic to PG; I think a lot of people are irritated by it, and/or impatient to get this vaping thing on RIGHT NOW and have no patience for a gradual acclimatization; I started using an asthma inhaler about 30 yrs ago, which is probably why PG doesn't tend to bother me -- it certainly *can* bother me if it's too concentrated a proportion. I think that what most people call "allergy" is just a normal reaction to an irritant, and they're so impatient to get vaping RIGHT NOW, they won't take the time to gradually acclimate themselves to PG, yet go around blathering about their "PG allergy."

Andria

80% PG? Wow you must have a strong throat. I dislike a throat hit now. At first I dripped 70 PG but it got to irritating my throat and as soon as I went to 30% PG that stopped. Since I have learned dripping is far better with high VG, my vape has become much more enjoyable.

 

[AndriaD]

80% PG? Wow you must have a strong throat. I dislike a throat hit now. At first I dripped 70 PG but it got to irritating my throat and as soon as I went to 30% PG that stopped. Since I have learned dripping is far better with high VG, my vape has become much more enjoyable.

I dunno; I'm female, so I figure most of my parts are pretty tender; women do have thinner skin. But, this is another thing I really don't get at all, about those who are so irritated by trifling levels (75% or less) of PG -- I voluntarily inhaled SMOKE for nearly 4 decades, so yeah, my throat and sinuses *are* pretty toughened up -- what about all the others who smoked for decades? How is it that they're so sensitive to a chemical that's in probably 75% of EVERYTHING, yet they were able to inhale SMOKE with great gusto for so long? I don't get that at all.

Andria

 

[Sirius]

I dunno; I'm female, so I figure most of my parts are pretty tender; women do have thinner skin. But, this is another thing I really don't get at all, about those who are so irritated by trifling levels (75% or less) of PG -- I voluntarily inhaled SMOKE for nearly 4 decades, so yeah, my throat and sinuses *are* pretty toughened up -- what about all the others who smoked for decades? How is it that they're so sensitive to a chemical that's in probably 75% of EVERYTHING, yet they were able to inhale SMOKE with great gusto for so long? I don't get that at all.

Andria

Idk? I smoked for 40+ years. Vaping is different though. I also fail to understand the PG allergy thing. I think you may be right about those who say they are allergic..are just having some irritation. Who knows? lol

 

[Sirius]

Another thing that irritates is low quality or oxidized nicotine. If you get a batch/or eliquid,.... of nicotine or juice that tastes peppery or is very harsh that is just awful. When I was into DIY before I found out I really suck at it,..I got a batch from Myfreedomsmokes.com that was really harsh. It was in a base of 100% PG. Idk if that had anything to do with it as it was pretty clear nicotine. Some flavors darken eliquids too I know, but most clear juice becomes darker with steeping.

 

[AndriaD]

Another thing that irritates is low quality or oxidized nicotine. If you get a batch/or eliquid,.... of nicotine or juice that tastes peppery or is very harsh that is just awful. When I was into DIY before I found out I really suck at it,..I got a batch from Myfreedomsmokes.com that was really harsh. It was in a base of 100% PG. Idk if that had anything to do with it as it was pretty clear nicotine. Some flavors darken eliquids too I know, but most clear juice becomes darker with steeping.

I dunno; I get my nicotine from WizLabs, and it's all 100% PG. At one point I did get some 50/50 from ecigexpress, but I was very unhappy with their poor, leaking packaging, and I find that even 50/50, when refrigerated (and nevermind that straight from the freezer!), is too thick to easily work with -- I have to leave it out on the counter for some time before I can try to suck it up in a syringe, even with a 14ga needle.

But what you're describing may be why I found MFS' Virginia's throat hit so satisfying, even at 6mg. So maybe I should start getting my nicotine from them! The blueberry muffin/banana nut bread I vape nowadays doesn't have such an intense throat hit, but I add a little of the "Flash" additive to boost TH just a bit; if I used MFS' nicotine maybe I could dispense with the Flash additive in my recipes. I don't want a tobacco or peppery taste, but more TH would be a great thing, IMO.

Andria

 

[Robino1]

Idk? I smoked for 40+ years. Vaping is different though. I also fail to understand the PG allergy thing. I think you may be right about those who say they are allergic..are just having some irritation. Who knows? lol

There are those that do suffer from PG allergies. RJ over on the HHV thread can NOT use any lotions or soaps that have PG in them. She breaks out in a rash. Before she discovered the allergy to PG in liquids, she would get a rash around her mouth and sides of her nose. Switching to ALL VG, her issues have gone away.

Granted, there probably are people that are just too impatient to take the time to get used to vaping. There are legitimate PG allergies out there.

The Purity Line, that HHV has, is perfect for RJ.

 

[Sirius]

There are those that do suffer from PG allergies. RJ over on the HHV thread can NOT use any lotions or soaps that have PG in them. She breaks out in a rash. Before she discovered the allergy to PG in liquids, she would get a rash around her mouth and sides of her nose. Switching to ALL VG, her issues have gone away.

Granted, there probably are people that are just too impatient to take the time to get used to vaping. There are legitimate PG allergies out there.

The Purity Line, that HHV has, is perfect for RJ.

Awww..poor RJ,..I didn't know that. Yes if she is breaking out sure. Oh and I love HHV Purity line. Idk what the other 30% is in my 70VG Purity but I think it must be distilled water and alcohol? Do you know for sure what they use besides PG Robin?

 

[AndriaD]

There are those that do suffer from PG allergies. RJ over on the HHV thread can NOT use any lotions or soaps that have PG in them. She breaks out in a rash. Before she discovered the allergy to PG in liquids, she would get a rash around her mouth and sides of her nose. Switching to ALL VG, her issues have gone away.

Granted, there probably are people that are just too impatient to take the time to get used to vaping. There are legitimate PG allergies out there.

The Purity Line, that HHV has, is perfect for RJ.

I'm sure there are those truly allergic, who experience symptoms like that, and even stranger, from any exposure to PG. But I do think that most people just get irritated and call it an allergy, when it's really not -- allergies are very much the exception to the norm -- I've been allergic to penicillin since I was about 9 yrs old, but for the majority, penicillin is a great and useful drug. My son gets anaphylactic from any exposure, no matter how slight, to coconut -- but to most people, it's wonderful stuff -- I drink coconut water to help with my dehydration/electrolyte problems!

But, having experienced my own irritation from an extreme level of PG, I no longer scoff at those who get irritated; it's incredibly painful, and naturally one would wish to avoid that if at all possible!

Andria

 

[Robino1]

Awww..poor RJ,..I didn't know that. Yes if she is breaking out sure. Oh and I love HHV Purity line. Idk what the other 30% is in my 70VG Purity but I think it must be distilled water and alcohol? Do you know for sure what they use besides PG Robin?

If you request a percentage that is a PG/VG blend, they will add PG to thin the liquid to your desired consistency. The Purity Line just insures those that ARE allergic to PG will NOT get any PG, as the flavoring agent is VG based.

 

[oxygen thief]

I wonder just how many Bavarians are used in making that flavor? I hear the Aussies have a flavor called Vegemite and it takes ten to fifteen Aboriginals per batch.

 

[Sirius]

Okay I admit that was pretty bad..lol

 

[Sirius]

If you request a percentage that is a PG/VG blend, they will add PG to thin the liquid to your desired consistency. The Purity Line just insures those that ARE allergic to PG will NOT get any PG, as the flavoring agent is VG based.

Okay gotcha..I'm going to try max VG on my next batch of DF..I know it will be a long steeper.