OMG Chemicals In E-Liquids Eesh!

[lhutch]

Well yeah..but exactly what did you expect?

From a well known e-liquids site:

.All liquid containing "custard notes" from ALL VENDORS contain some combination of Diacetyl, Acetoin, and/or Acytyl Propionyl (collectively known as "diketones"). This liquid does *not* contain Diacetyl, but it *does* contain Acetoin, Acytyl Propionyl; or both. It is *impossible* to produce the "rich, creamy, decadent, full-mouth experience" in eliquid without diketones. Such is life - everything that tastes good is bad for you. Potential users are advised that there may be reason for pause due to an absence of longitudinal research which can provide adequate guidance with regard to the relative safety of inhaling eliquid containing diketones


Food for thought..heh heh..what if natural foods came with a list of ingredients?

The part about making a full bodied creamy custard without diketones being impossible is not actually true. There was a study that was crowd funded and done on over 120 brands of e liquid and their custard flavors. Now yes a very high percentage did test positive for one of the 4 diketones used in flavoring today. If I remember right about 70%. But, there were a lot of companies that were able to achieve the flavor with out the diketones. Ill try to find that link. But, almost all those companies were not trying to be malicious , as they had no idea the flavors had this in it. Most companies once they find out are trying to fix that problem. But it's good that vapers are finally taking interest in this issue.

 

[AndriaD]

I have Capella's "Vanilla Custard V2" and "Graham Cracker V2" which contain no diketones, so apparently that vendor has no idea what he's talking about. It *IS* possible to find flavors that don't contain it, you just have to search very carefully. I'm eagerly awaiting bullcityvapor getting back in stock the new TFA "DX-Bavarian Cream" which contains no diketones.

Andria

 

[Sirius]

I just want to know why they list the ingredients of the shell?
Does anyone eat the shell of an egg?

Oh that's rich Robin..I'm lmao over here....bwahahahaaaaaa!

 

[Sirius]

I have Capella's "Vanilla Custard V2" and "Graham Cracker V2" which contain no diketones, so apparently that vendor has no idea what he's talking about. It *IS* possible to find flavors that don't contain it, you just have to search very carefully. I'm eagerly awaiting bullcityvapor getting back in stock the new TFA "DX-Bavarian Cream" which contains no diketones.

Andria

I wonder just how many Bavarians are used in making that flavor? I hear the Aussies have a flavor called Vegemite and it takes ten to fifteen Aboriginals per batch.

 

[Sirius]

The part about making a full bodied creamy custard without diketones being impossible is not actually true. There was a study that was crowd funded and done on over 120 brands of e liquid and their custard flavors. Now yes a very high percentage did test positive for one of the 4 diketones used in flavoring today. If I remember right about 70%. But, there were a lot of companies that were able to achieve the flavor with out the diketones. Ill try to find that link. But, almost all those companies were not trying to be malicious , as they had no idea the flavors had this in it. Most companies once they find out are trying to fix that problem. But it's good that vapers are finally taking interest in this issue.

Those damn malicious juice makers tho!

 

[Jman8]

The part about making a full bodied creamy custard without diketones being impossible is not actually true. There was a study that was crowd funded and done on over 120 brands of e liquid and their custard flavors. Now yes a very high percentage did test positive for one of the 4 diketones used in flavoring today. If I remember right about 70%. But, there were a lot of companies that were able to achieve the flavor with out the diketones. Ill try to find that link. But, almost all those companies were not trying to be malicious , as they had no idea the flavors had this in it. Most companies once they find out are trying to fix that problem. But it's good that vapers are finally taking interest in this issue.

From what I recall about this study, the diketone substitute was synthesized. I'm sure ANTZ scientific types will never ever pick apart vaping for using synthetic flavors, nor find anything that could possibly harm us by going that route.

 

[lhutch]

lol right... them being all and what not . though I do think suicide bunnies is either being malicious or they are just sicking the head in the sand waiting for us to either forget or get over inhaling diketones. Bunny the creator keeps denying that her juices have diketones in them even though there is a scientific report out proving that her best and most popular juices are FULL of diketones, not trace amount but WAAAAAAAY over the safety limits. So she needs to get her act together.

 

[Jman8]

Currently, I'd take (natural) diketones over synthetic. Perhaps that's just me. I hope regulation doesn't intervene.

 

[lhutch]

regulation is inevitable, but stuff like this is what is going to the regulation more restrictive... diketones period are bad for you man. i don't want natural or synth and the flavors can be achieved with out them .

 

[Jman8]

regulation is inevitable, but stuff like this is what is going to the regulation more restrictive... diketones period are bad for you man. i don't want natural or synth and the flavors can be achieved with out them .

I'd like to see your evidence for this last claim.

 

[lhutch]

there are plenty of cream and custard vapes that are free off diketones. i mean read AndriaD last post dude

 

[lhutch]

I have Capella's "Vanilla Custard V2" and "Graham Cracker V2" which contain no diketones, so apparently that vendor has no idea what he's talking about. It *IS* possible to find flavors that don't contain it, you just have to search very carefully. I'm eagerly awaiting bullcityvapor getting back in stock the new TFA "DX-Bavarian Cream" which contains no diketones.

Andria

this is what i'm talking about. plus what i am vapeing right now is diketones free is called Must Vape Pencil and its a Pear Cream, custard pie vape, and its one of the best custard frit vapes ive had in a while to be honest.... better than mothers milk

 

[Jman8]

there are plenty of cream and custard vapes that are free off diketones. i mean read AndriaD last post dude

That's not what I asked for. I'm claiming some to all (flavored) juice that removes diketone is using synthetic substitute. You seem to be suggesting otherwise.

 

[Sirius]

this is what i'm talking about. plus what i am vapeing right now is diketones free is called Must Vape Pencil and its a Pear Cream, custard pie vape, and its one of the best custard frit vapes ive had in a while to be honest.... better than mothers milk

Oh I will find chemicals ... yes I will...you seem to forget I reject your reality and substitute one of my own.

 

[Sirius]

That's not what I asked for. I'm claiming some to all (flavored) juice that removes diketone is using synthetic substitute. You seem to be suggesting otherwise.

Then there are those synthetics..lol

Let's face it..it would take 25 years to analyze everything out there. Who's going to go to that much trouble. To what end. Yes ANTZ are persistent little PITA's that latch onto anything they feel threatens "the children" but Idk if even they would go to that much trouble man.

 

[AndriaD]

That's not what I asked for. I'm claiming some to all (flavored) juice that removes diketone is using synthetic substitute. You seem to be suggesting otherwise.

From what I have read, for vaping, there actually may be somewhat more danger in "organic" flavors than in the synthetic ones, just because diketones *are* naturally-occurring substances -- and in foods we eat or drink, no problem -- it's the inhalation that makes them tricky. So I have no issue as far as them being synthetic. Yes, at some point some other chemical(s) may rear its head and turn out to be dangerous, and if so, we'll deal with it if/when it arises -- but for now, we don't know *for sure* about any except the diketones, and I'm not even sure we do know *for sure* about those -- it would SEEM that they are potentially very dangerous to the lungs, so it's got to be better to avoid them wherever and whenever we can.

Some might say that the "v2" flavors I'm using aren't as good as the "real" ones, the originals, and that may or may not be true, but I have nothing to judge them by -- I've never tasted the diketone-laden flavors, that I know of, so the diketone-free flavors taste just fine to me.

Andria

 

[Randy C]

I take the threat of harmful chemicals seriously- however, I've always been more concerned with pocket lint and other foreign matter that finds its way into our attys.

 

[Sirius]

VG..A closer look:

Glycerin is widely used in the food industry for two main reasons: it has a sweet taste, but has fewer calories than sugar; and it is hygroscopic, that is, it absorbs moisture from the air. It is therefore used both to sweeten foods and to keep them moist. The compound is metabolized more slowly than sucrose — the type of sugar most commonly found in candy and in processed foods — and therefore does not have such a dramatic effect on blood sugar levels. It also does not contribute to bacterial tooth decay. Foods marketed as being low in carbohydrates are often sweetened with glycerin.

Another major use is in the cosmetics industry. Due to its hygroscopic properties, it is used in many moisturizing skin products, as it seems to help relieve dry skin problems by drawing water up from the lower layers. It is also a component of glycerin soap, which is often used by people with sensitive skin. Lotions containing this compound are also popular.

Vegetable glycerin can be used as a substitute for ethanol — the chemical commonly called “alcohol” — in making botanical extracts, such as herbal essences. It acts as a solvent that dissolves the substances of interest from the raw plant material. The advantage of this is that people who do not want to be exposed to alcohol can still have access to the botanical products. The disadvantage is that the resulting products have a much shorter shelf life.

There are also medical uses for vegetable glycerin. It is a common ingredient in cough mixtures, due to its soothing properties. Other applications are as a topical remedy for a number of skin problems, including psoriasis, rashes, burns, bedsores and cuts; as a laxative, in the form of suppositories; and to treat gum disease, as it inactivates the associated bacterial colonies.

Glycerol forms the “backbone” of many lipids, or oils and fats, and there are various processes that can be used to extract it from these substances. Most glycerin is made as a by-product of the manufacture of soap. In this process, either animal fat or vegetable oil can be used. It is heated with a strong alkali, usually caustic soda (sodium hydroxide), which produces soap and a solution of glycerin in water. This solution is then purified by distillation.

 

[Sirius]

PG..Geeky answer:

The form most pertinent to this article is the pharmaceutical grade. This is a much less concentrated form of PG and therefore less problematic. That being stated, it is also the controversial form due to its use in products that are either ingested or enter the body through application to the skin. It is commonly used as a solvent in oral, topical and injectable drug products as well as in foods.

Though the controversy over PG wages on, it is not for lack of research. In fact many studies have been conducted, but results have been contradictory. Possibly this is because the concentration of PG in the formulation studied is not always readily apparent. Regardless, the government agencies involved have deemed it safe: The FDA includes Pharmaceutical grade PG on its Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) list. The World Health Organization also considers it as safe for use.

Learn more: Propylene Glycol: The Good, the Bad and the Alternatives - NaturalNews.com

 

[Sirius]

I've read a lot of,.."I'm vaping 100% VG because I'm allergic to PG" type posts. I vape 70% VG but I'm quite curious what side effects these allergic people have due to PG?

If you are reading this and have allergic reactions to PG..please explain what reactions you were having.