On my mind ~ Broken parts

[Automaton]

Hey Jules, I've noticed this happeing too.

I'm not really worked up about it anything, but I don't think broken parts should be in the PIF thread.

I take offers that have one or two items I have no use for sometimes, knowing I can PIF them to someone else who will use them, but broken parts are a different kind of ballgame. I don't know how to evaluate them, since I'm not a modder, and I wouldn't want to risk PIF'ing something back to someone else without being able to tell them exactly what's going on with it.

It just seems out of place.

I think it belongs in the DIY PIF thread, or the swaps thread.

 

[Bahnzo]

I think they belong in the swaps thread...seems the DIY thread is best left to juice making.

 

[zbasspro]

Things is i see plain VG and PG offered in PIF as well. This subject gets touchy for a reason, and that's why I say leave things alone. IMO plain VG or PG belongs in the DIY thread only. Flavorings are another that gets lumped in a PIF occasionally too. This is where I see you could split hairs all day or leave things be. boB

 

[KarrMcDebt]

I prefer the idea of the modder thread, then the parts could be more easily spread out between all the different modders.

 

[DemonCowboy]

i still say some ppl just aren't swappers and u'll exclude potential modders that way. if not the DIY thread then a modder's thread if it comes down in the end to a heat between swaps and modder's thread then will u change mine to modder's?

but if DIY makes a come back then i'd prefer to stay where i am because those that might think they don't have nething to get into modding could still trade flavorings or even empty bottles for DIY

 

[Jules22871]

You mention PG and VG being offered in the PIF thread. Not all PG and VG go into DIY juices. I happen to use it to cut 24mg to 12mg. I only recently got back to mixing when the BBB hit the boards and everyone liked it. Other than that, mine is solely used for cutting which doesn't really fall into the DIY category. It is another one of those gray areas where it could really be considered either or. I don't think I am making juice when I cut the 24mg down. I am just, well, cutting it down.

 

[zbasspro]

I wasn't bringing that up to complain Jules.....just more pointing to the gray area. Whatever happens happens, and HONESTLY it aint going to bother me either way....I'm not even voting. I'm just going to go with the flow on this one. Moreover I guess is that I see things being fine the way they are now. I'm sure people complain now, people are going to complain if things are changed, just the way it goes. I say the system we have now, while may have a flaw or 2, as whole works pretty well. IMO boB

 

[UntamedRose]

Dont see whats wrong with posting them in the garage sale thread......

 

[r3dgh0s7]

Any of the options discussed will work, I think the modders just want their own thread I also know it was tried in the past with less than favorable results.

 

[Jules22871]

This is different than the modders thread you are thinking about. I think the one you are referring to was when we stopped the mods from being in the PIF thread and tried to match the ones that needed mods to the ones that were making the mods. If a modder's thread is made it will be just for swapping parts only, not the whole mod.

 

[markfm]

I voted modder's, but then realized that my CRS had struck. Dying/dead to me is a treasure chest or swaps thing. Swaps if the person with the part has a definite goal/need in mind, Treasure Chest if they're not certain, but want to have a chance to keep the stuff in circulation.

(Otherwise, of course, hang onto a few odd parts, and someone's likely to put in a Want sooner or later, a modder-to-be seeking some parts to work with).

I kind of like not seeing dead/dying on the main PIF, but it doesn't seem to hurt either way -- folks are good about noting those conditions. I think of PIF as things that are in working condition, directly usable, but I already ignore PIFs for flavors I'm not into, or working parts I don't care about, so seeing some D/D parts certainly cause harm, if it's what someone has to bring to the table.

It shouldn't need a new specialized thread -- there're already enough threads where the parts could go.

 

[Maialeth]

Personally... I'd like to see it just left alone. Maybe that's just me. But sometimes.. Maybe All I have is Flavorings, or PG/VG... or Parts that are on their last legs that modders could use.. And.. I don't mod. So if it were restricted to Only on a ModdersPIF thread.. Well.. It wouldn't be all that great for me or others who would like to offer up their stuff modders could use for stuff they could use. If that's making any sense. Not that I've actually jumped in on the PIF thread yet.. But I'm planning on it. But Not allowing Modder supplies or DIY supplies on the regular PIF thread sort of cuts off some options for some people?

 

[Adja]

I think it works pretty well the way it is now. If people want to offer up their parts on the Pay It Forward thread that is fine, if they prefer to post it in the Swaps thread, that is fine; and if they just want to put it in the treasure chest thread that is okay too. It gives everyone a lot of flexibility.

In other words, let's not fix something that isn't broken . . .

 

[Sallana]

I respect everyone's opinions and would like to add my own..


I feel that banning broken parts from the Pay It Forward thread goes against what the thread was intended for to begin with. It's okay to put up a modders thread where you ONLY PIF broken parts/pieces but to ban it from the PIF thread, IMO.. is not ... right.

When the Pay It Forward thread started the idea was to take an offer and post back anything you had and could offer. Regardless of what it was, or how much was there.

I've seen many many times, a newbie comes in and has little to offer so offers up old and spare parts that may not be working. And time and time again, I see those parts go relatively fast to an interested modder.

Broken or spare parts do not seem to hinder the thread at all. I understand that there are far less modders than those of us who do not, and it might be annoying for us to see the broken parts and know that we can't use them... but that's just part of the group. If you don't want it, don't take it.. someone else will...

Limiting newbies who might only be able to offer broken parts to a certain thread just doesn't seem right to me. What if they only have those two broken batteries and they want a good juice offer to get them going? I know that often times they will say something like "I don't have anything to offer" but it's not all the time. I'm sure some of them might feel a little agitated at not being able to accept an offer.

And if the two batteries seem to stall the thread we'll add to it.. like we so often do. I agree with Adja.. don't fix something that's not broken.

With that being said, I'll be content with whatever decision you come to. It doesn't really affect me either way.

 

[Blaze]

Maybe instead of a modder PIF thread, just a "I have this, and I'm looking for this" or "I have these if someone wants them" kind of thread. Sounds similar to a few other threads, I know. But it would be nice to be able to have a thread where ONLY mod parts are being swapped/given. The other threads can be a bit cumbersome to read through at times.

 

[Neo]

I just give my dead stuff away. I don't mod and I have no use for broken stuff. It's just junk to me but someone else can use it!

 

[Jules22871]

Going to do my best to get my point across on this without coming off as trying to control anything. Bear with me.

I think it works pretty well the way it is now. If people want to offer up their parts on the Pay It Forward thread that is fine, if they prefer to post it in the Swaps thread, that is fine; and if they just want to put it in the treasure chest thread that is okay too. It gives everyone a lot of flexibility.

In other words, let's not fix something that isn't broken . . .

I have been getting a few PMs each day about this so there is a slight problem that can be dealt with if we all keep an open mind.

I respect everyone's opinions and would like to add my own..


I feel that banning broken parts from the Pay It Forward thread goes against what the thread was intended for to begin with. It's okay to put up a modders thread where you ONLY PIF broken parts/pieces but to ban it from the PIF thread, IMO.. is not ... right.

When the Pay It Forward thread started the idea was to take an offer and post back anything you had and could offer. Regardless of what it was, or how much was there.

I've seen many many times, a newbie comes in and has little to offer so offers up old and spare parts that may not be working. And time and time again, I see those parts go relatively fast to an interested modder.

Broken or spare parts do not seem to hinder the thread at all. I understand that there are far less modders than those of us who do not, and it might be annoying for us to see the broken parts and know that we can't use them... but that's just part of the group. If you don't want it, don't take it.. someone else will...

Limiting newbies who might only be able to offer broken parts to a certain thread just doesn't seem right to me. What if they only have those two broken batteries and they want a good juice offer to get them going? I know that often times they will say something like "I don't have anything to offer" but it's not all the time. I'm sure some of them might feel a little agitated at not being able to accept an offer.

And if the two batteries seem to stall the thread we'll add to it.. like we so often do. I agree with Adja.. don't fix something that's not broken.

With that being said, I'll be content with whatever decision you come to. It doesn't really affect me either way.

You have made some very valid and interesting points. I never had the intention of banning them from the PIF thread. Just trying to give an alternative that might make things move a little smoother. This whole group is a new breed. We are still growing and changing on a daily basis even if most don't realize it.

With what you have posted, if it is decided to open a modder's thread, it will be up to the person offering the dead/broken parts in the section they feel best suits their needs. You are right when you say a lot of new people only have things like that when they start out so it wouldn't be fair to stop offering them in the PIF thread all together.

Maybe instead of a modder PIF thread, just a "I have this, and I'm looking for this" or "I have these if someone wants them" kind of thread. Sounds similar to a few other threads, I know. But it would be nice to be able to have a thread where ONLY mod parts are being swapped/given. The other threads can be a bit cumbersome to read through at times.

If a modder's thread is decided on it will be for trading parts only, not completed mods. It would be up to the person with the parts which of the threads would help them the most. I am just looking for the best way to get the best bang for the buck so to speak.

I hope that all made sense,lol

 

[Sallana]

Okay Jules I think some people have misunderstood you then! I think some of us thought you had planned on banning them from PIF and limiting the trading of them to a certain place. If you just want to get the modders their own thread, that is in fact a good idea. As long as we aren't stopping the newbies with little to offer from playing, nones the harm.

 

[Adja]

That sounds like it would work for everyone then!

 

[zbasspro]

Going to do my best to get my point across on this without coming off as trying to control anything. Bear with me.



I have been getting a few PMs each day about this so there is a slight problem that can be dealt with if we all keep an open mind.



You have made some very valid and interesting points. I never had the intention of banning them from the PIF thread. Just trying to give an alternative that might make things move a little smoother. This whole group is a new breed. We are still growing and changing on a daily basis even if most don't realize it.

With what you have posted, if it is decided to open a modder's thread, it will be up to the person offering the dead/broken parts in the section they feel best suits their needs. You are right when you say a lot of new people only have things like that when they start out so it wouldn't be fair to stop offering them in the PIF thread all together.

Okay, Jules I was unaware of this as well. Now that does in fact change my opinion on this subject. I would certainly be in favor of this and the way I now understand is it wouldn't have a major impact on the PIF thread. I try my best to think of the group as a whole when these issues arise. I shared the same concern as Sallana in the fact that just maybe someone with some dead batts or something of that nature may be the person who needs the most help. My fear was that maybe they were say replacing these batts, and cannot afford juice as a result. Well by offering these batts they can take a juice PIF, just an example of course.

As previously mentioned I do my best to think of the group as a whole. The idea of a modders thread would however benefit me as well, by say I've got extra connectors and no switches ATM, could work out well for someone in the opposite situation. I apologize for not requesting clarification prior to responding. I do however trust that your decisions are always based on the group first and foremost. Thank you for taking the time to clarify. boB