CE2 cartos in PIF

[keyzygirl]

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I dont see any disdain toward you here at all,Please look through the thread.Some may disagree with you,but thats to be expected in this situation.Its not personal,its just the situation.People want to get something and they are trying to sway the decision.We all love you Jules.Please dont take it to heart and feel that its about you,cuz its not.Its about cartomizers.

 

[Automaton]

Hey Jules! I totally understand you're concern, and I also understand how frustrating it must be for you to wind up being the fall guy when someone isn't happy with their PIF/trade/etc, which is either the fault of their personal tastes, or of the person who sen it, and not you.

I voted to allow the CE2's, but with the understanding that mods take no responsibility for whatever results a person may have with them, and that people trading them are strongly urged to post a disclaimer that these are still in the Beta phase.

 

[GtrSoloist]

I voted yes, the only caveat being if they are E2 carto's...they should be listed as such so the person accepting the PIF knows what they are getting into.

The idea of a disclaimer is not a bad one either.

Safety is a concern, so whatever the group decides is fine by me.

It may be a moot point before long anyways.

 

[autumnbreeze]

I agree with what the person above me said. And I also agree that people shouldn't be running to the mods over every little thing. We need to put our big boy pants on and try to handle things on our own.

The only reason why I PM Jules 20 times a day is to profess my undying love for her. I <3 Jules!!!!!

 

[IMWylde]

It may be a moot point before long anyways.

How come? Is something happening?

 

[RippleInStillWater]

I'd like to try them but I worry about the following from reading all the reviews:
1. Will they fit my GLV's?
2. Are they transportable filled -- I mean, can you fill up a half dozen for the road?
3. Is it worth the hassle to get rid of the new car chemical smell/taste?

I don't need more attys and I'm not sure if these are worth it but I'm willing to try to get the better hit and see if there's an easier way.

 

[GtrSoloist]

How come? Is something happening?

I figure they will be:

A) Fixed (if they are not already)

B) Improved

C) Done away with because they are inferior

D) Replaced by a new design

 

[pm2006]

I think there should be a disclaimer for all pif's. Mods should be notified if the offer isn't what it is supposed to be (after trying to work it out with the other pifer) so that if it happens again, that person can be taken care of. But to go running to mods because what we get doesn't work the way we want it to, is just silly. Who knows how the juice we receive has really been treated or how old the batteries are that we get. Who knows, really, how safe the cartos are with all the filler in them that burns. Anything related to ecigs, as far as I am concerned, is buyer beware.

I have used the e2 cartos (no idea which ones) for the past week and I really like the way they vape. One started getting a burnt taste after a couple of fills that wouldn't go away but the other 3 are still going fine. I've had brand new cartos from vendors that didn't work on the first fill. The e2s are a pita to fill, though.

 

[IMWylde]

I just cant imagine someone complaining to a mod about a PIF. That should not happen. I mean these guys are modding out of the kindness of their hearts. I'm of a mind that if the PIF isn't as represented simply don't do any more deals with that person. Your not out anything and you still got to help a fellow piffer. I hate to imagine how many complaints there are though because well some people suck

Present company excluded, I hope

 

[Automaton]

Yes, now that I'm thinking about it, this is a pretty big group. And even if 80% of the people here are reasonable, and 99% are honest, I bet the mods wake up every day to an inbox FULL of complaints.

If you get something that's as advertised, but you don't like, just put it back on PIF.

If you get something not as advertised, contact the PIF'er and try to work it out. Failing that, post in negative feedback.

If you receive nothing, contact the PIF'er nd try to work it out. Failing that, post in negative feedback.

This whole system is run on the openness and honest of the participants. It is not in the spirit of the group to complain to the mods about these problems.

The mods don't make sure we get our stuff packaged and shipped on time. The mods don't do a fiscal breakdown of how close our PIF's are to the one above, or below. They don't evaluate the reviews of what we post. Not their job. It is our job to be conscientious of what we're doing.

The mod's job is to try to provide us the spaces we need to do that effectively, and deal with bigger problems, and the rare scammer. That's it.

And it's unfortunate that Jules and the rest of the mods are half-hearted about allowing the CE2's in PIF because they know they're going to deal with all the PM's about the quibbles of the product.

That's not their job. And they shouldn't have to worry about it.

 

[markfm]

I wouldn't be too thrilled about a disclaimer on all PIFs -- it would disrupt the somewhat ADHOC, but pleasant, nature of the area.

It sounds like the CE2 cartos, at least for the 808, are special, however. Based on the messages I've been seeing with people trying to find just what size needles are needed, it sounds like Joe-or-Jane-user may not be able to use "normal" filling methods -- you can't just pop off the top and drop some liquid out of a bottle or condom fill (or else why are all these folks searching for needles?).

So, I don't need a disclaimer for any other 808 carto, but if it's a CE2 it's probably at least smart to specifically note that.

 

[Jules22871]

As far as I'm concerned you all can put whatever you want that is ecig related in PIF. I will not, however, deal with any problems that arise from the CE2 cartos. I am still here if you need help with other issues though. IMO the CE2 cartos have a long way to go before they should be marketed. They have not been tested and they are using you all as their guinea pigs. "oh, well that didn't work so well. Hmm, let's do this and send them out and see what happens" I'm sorry, I don't agree with that and I'm sorry that I cared enough about everyone to try and keep you safe and keep PIF running smooth. You all have taught me a very valuable lesson. One that I won't likely forget for a very long time, if ever.

Let's start trading.

 

[DemonCowboy]

we were just trying to keep YOUR workload down so u have time to enjoy PIF u'rself - were we really that wrong?

 

[Nikhil]

I voted no. If it ends up allowed, I think there should be a warning attached to any offer of CE2's that they are a new product and prone to malfunction, and that the mods and person offering them can not be held responsible for any problems. This really should be the case for anything in PIF, unless it's obvious abuse by the person offering (e.g. sending 12mg when they offered 24mg, or old used atties when they offered new ones).

Personally I wouldn't take CE2's in a PIF nor buy them but it's not going to stop other people. If they don't read about the risks and end up having a problem, it's nobody's fault but their own.

 

[Jules22871]

I do feel strongly about it, but I am willing to go whichever way the majority wants in this case. It isn't a dictatorship here, it is a family. I think people lose sight of that at times, including myself. I will fight tooth and nail to help out and keep you all, and the group as a whole, safe. You all have been allowed to speak your minds and I just spoke mine. That's all I'm going to say on it from this point on. You all want them, you all can have them, but you take the good with the bad in this case.

So that everyone knows, I don't mind when you have a problem, that you ask me for help. I really don't. I only mind in cases like this, when it's not a proven product either quality or safety wise and you have been warned over and over about it. I am always here for each and every one of you with any problems you have, except this one. I don't mind being the go between if you aren't comfortable contacting someone about something. I don't mind sending something that I have to help make things right. I love PIF and all the people in it and that is what you all seem to be missing. It's not about control, it's not about a do as I say thing, it's about trying to keep people safe and things running smoothly.

I"m going to say this and that will be the end of my part in this saga. I was contacted by someone that has been a big fan of the CE2s when I asked for samples to try out so I could make an informed decision on them. I was told it would be better if I didn't use it at all. Now, you guys think on that for a bit. If someone that was singing the praises of a certain product tells you that they would prefer you not use them, that they are not right or safe, what would you think? What would you do or say to the people that you care so much about? Just stop and think a bit and maybe you will see what I see.

 

[IMWylde]

Yah but now I cant change my vote !

 

[GtrSoloist]

You know. Seriously, if Jules feels this strongly we should just let her decision stand. Can always trade them outside of the PIF format. I dont feel good about Jules feeling bad.

Ditto. Jules, if you really feel like it's going to disrupt the peace, and it's already disrupting your peace, I'm not going to kick up a fuss if you decide not to allow it.

Jules,

After reading your posts regarding the reasoning for not wanting the CE2's, I've changed my mind and I agree with the above posters.

There is a lot of misinformation out there regarding these things and I agree with you totally; what the manufacturers are doing is wrong.

The Chinese cannot be trusted to deliver a safe product. Look at the problems with the all the pets that died from filler added to pet food, the lead in paint used for children's toy, the chemicals leaching into plastic baby bottles and sippy cups.

I don't want this to come off as a rant, but I dealt with a lot of products in a retail environment. When the various (and were talking hundreds) of products stopped being made in the US and went to Chinese manufacturers, quality control and safety when out the window.

I'm not saying that China or Chinese are bad, what I am saying is that many factories there can and will cut corners to increase their bottom line. Greed will win over safety every time... look how they treat their own workers.

Do you really think they care about our safety? You just can't trust these companies to do the right thing. (Not that you can trust a lot of U.S. companies either.)

Still sounds like I'm ranting. (sigh) Anyways, Jules please change my vote.

 

[Jules22871]

I think we can just forget about the vote. You all have made your points and like I said, this is not a dictatorship. You all can PIF and trade the CE2's all you want. I will still be here for all other problems or help that is needed. I love being here and I love helping people. I guess I need to learn when to quit though. You all are adults and can make your own decisions. So as far as I'm concerned, this is a done deal.

Edit to add: And I hope there are no hard feelings on this.

 

[Bahnzo]

Edit to add: And I hope there are no hard feelings on this.

Absolutely not, and your reasoning is fair. These things are basically untested and are being tested on us.

I think the thing folks might not realize is the fact that many people who PIF aren't following the threads on the e2 cartos as closely as others. And it's not hard to blame them...every e2 thread turns into a 50+ page monster that's impossible to keep up on. All they know is these things are new, see some people raving about them and want to try them without knowing the important details that get buried in the large discussions.

 

[zbasspro]

Guess I'm missing something here. This as I take it applies to the PIF thread only. The purpose that thread is to help people getting started vaping and people in need. I surely think we can accomplish that mission, maybe even better without these cartos and their issues.

I see the words trade and choices being thrown around. As far as I understand those are not in jeopardy in any way. I still would have a choice to trade them or accept a trade in the trade thread, even though I wouldn't at this point. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Just the mere fact that they've caused this much controversy in this thread and others should be enough for us to respect the moderators concern over them being given to new vapers or people in financial binds. They may find themselves in the same bind after we thought we helped them.