On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

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Yiana

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So "ALL us ejuice manufacturers" use LorAnn? I kinda doubt that. Other flavor manufactures (FlavourArt) comes to mind have already stated that they will file the requisite data with the FDA.

I read on a thread somewhere here that Capella put out a statement saying that they are going to file the requisite data as well.
 

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For your vape stash don't forget the all important mod wrap, lets you blend in with the smoking crowd and no one will notice! LOL Yes I have a mod & tank
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wrapped in there just for effect :lol:
 

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Yes yoy need to prep mods attys, and a 2-3 hundred feet of wire would be a good idea.

I agree on everything but the wire. Vape companies may not have them anymore but Temco will still be around. If there is a tobacco flavor you like it is probably better to pick some up as that's most likely to not be around anymore.
 

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Sure, we can make them irrelevant to us. But I bet we're a single-digit percentage of the vapers out there. The other 90-some percent are gonna getting shafted. And that bothers me. A lot.

It bothers me a LOT. But what can we do. Some people simply refuse to believe the Govt would do that.

Yoy can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
 

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I agree on everything but the wire. Vape companies may not have them anymore but Temco will still be around. If there is a tobacco flavor you like it is probably better to pick some up as that's most likely to not be around anymore.
I RAN across a steal and got 500 feet 26 gauge Kanthal fof $18.99.

Good coils can last 3 months so prepping a few spools could be a good idea.
 
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So "ALL us ejuice manufacturers" use LorAnn? I kinda doubt that. Other flavor manufactures (FlavourArt) comes to mind have already stated that they will file the requisite data with the FDA.
Umm read both documents one is from the US flavoring association or whatever it's name is.

None of the flavoring companies will pay to have their flavors proven safe for inhalation. Or tell their secret formulas.
 
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You're never been trained as a survivalist.

3 of my mods are wrapped in rubber and stored in metal ammo box just in case of EMP.

FINALLY! Someone that speaks my language regarding an EMP! Also, prepare for a Jihad as well. Rioting of course will immediately follow the EMP. The FDA issue is being advocated strongly. But I still don't see the regulations being withdrawn or loosened much, if not at all.

I too am stocking up. I have nearly 1,000ml of juice - for now. I was told not to DIY due to special handling of the nic. I'd appreciate any guidance re nic handling. I know it needs to be done in a vented location. I am quite .... about my vape equipment/juices. Really, ANY DIY TIPS would be appreciated.

I'm just now ordering mods and parts - especially glass replacements and replacement coils for the few tanks I have that require them. And 18650s! I'm really liking the iStick Pico I just received and love my Sigelei SPARK. I'll be ordering duplicates of those as well as others. I have some smaller battery mods but they are of no significance. I have my shopping cart at FastTech at $1,200. Do I like FastTech?...No. Do they have what I want?....Yes. And I'm not pleased at all that they remove the authenticity sticker for security purposes?!? WTH??? Has anyone received an clone vs. authentic equipment from them? I converted my cart to a PDF so I can shop elsewhere and not forget anything. I will be storing like you, Two_Bears. Same security & containers.

To me and my Bug Out friends, the Jihad will most likely precede the EMP as soon as this summer. The EMP we feel will happen November through perhaps January - at which time all hell will again break loose with rioting, etc. I was told by a BOB friend to line my ammo boxes with corrugated cardboard...same with new metal trash cans. wrap your electronics heavily in tin foil, and oh, wrap with something else. Line tightly with corrugated cardboard and secure lid with masking tape, NOT electrical tape! Rubber makes sense to me though. I've also spent thousands on BOB gear and Bug In necessities. This should be another thread entirely - if permitted by Admin.

Where are you getting your rubber, Two_Bears?
 

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None of the flavoring companies will pay to have their flavors proven safe for inhalation. Or tell their secret formulas.
None? Are you sure? FlavourArt has been doing inhalation safety testing for several years, and apparently IS willing to divulge what's necessary. :)
 

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Umm read both documents one is from the US flavoring association or whatever it's name is.

None of the flavoring companies will pay to have their flavors proven safe for inhalation. Or tell their secret formulas.

It seems like that would be a bottomless hole to jump into. How do you prove a flavoring is safe for inhalation? Do you have to test it at all the different possible vaping temperatures, etc. Pretty sure I haven't seen any formal description of what the "proof" would consist of.

Submitting your list of ingredients is the easy part.

Something doesn't add up here. Or maybe I'm missing something. FA and Capella say they intend to meet the requirements. They have to have a better understanding of what's going on than I do.

Whatever, I'm going to put in a flavoring order right away.
 

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It seems like that would be a bottomless hole to jump into. How do you prove a flavoring is safe for inhalation? Do you have to test it at all the different possible vaping temperatures, etc. Pretty sure I haven't seen any formal description of what the "proof" would consist of.

Submitting your list of ingredients is the easy part.

Something doesn't add up here. Or maybe I'm missing something. FA and Capella say they intend to meet the requirements. They have to have a better understanding of what's going on than I do.

Whatever, I'm going to put in a flavoring order right away.

Other than tobacco flavors they aren't going anywhere. You can always order direct as well. It's the companies that make juice that it is going to be hard on.
 

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It seems like that would be a bottomless hole to jump into. How do you prove a flavoring is safe for inhalation? Do you have to test it at all the different possible vaping temperatures, etc. Pretty sure I haven't seen any formal description of what the "proof" would consist of.

Submitting your list of ingredients is the easy part.

Something doesn't add up here. Or maybe I'm missing something. FA and Capella say they intend to meet the requirements. They have to have a better understanding of what's going on than I do.

Whatever, I'm going to put in a flavoring order right away.
Something to think about is cooking with these flavors, they have been inhaled for years while cooking. Hence they give off that yummy buttery or bread or pie or cake smells we all know :) If anyone has cooked they know these smells go right into your nose and you breath them in. How many of us that use flavoring inhale that smell first? I know I do :)
 

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None? Are you sure? FlavourArt has been doing inhalation safety testing for several years, and apparently IS willing to divulge what's necessary. :)

Capella has also come out publicly and stated they will provide the FDA with this info for the masterlist.
 
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None? Are you sure? FlavourArt has been doing inhalation safety testing for several years, and apparently IS willing to divulge what's necessary. :)
I am now wondering just what is the requirement from the flavor companies. The FEMA letter repeatedly states that these compounds are intended for food only, and warned that the Occupational safety limits should NOT be used, here's the part that really got my attention:
threshold limit values (TLVs) established by the American Conference of Government Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH), are intended to serve as regulatory limits in the case of OSHA PELs, or in the case of RELs and TLVs, as benchmarks for limiting exposure to substances in the workplace. It is improper to use OELs as indications of safe levels of exposure to flavoring substances from the use of electronic cigarettes.


and the part of the LorAnne letter that stuck out:
However, with that disclosure, the flavor manufacturer must also provide health and toxicology information for those ingredients when used in this particular application (cigarettes, e-cigarettes, hookah & cigars).
 

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I am now wondering just what is the requirement from the flavor companies. The FEMA letter repeatedly states that these compounds are intended for food only, and warned that the Occupational safety limits should NOT be used, here's the part that really got my attention:
Since they don't make a finished tobacco product, there is no requirement per se. All they can do is file stuff with the FDA that MIGHT help their customers get through the PMTA process. A list of ingredients for each flavor seems like the obvious starting point, and cytotoxicity studies would probably be helpful.
 

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I can see where the flavoring issue will effect e-liquid manufacturers but I fail to see it having any effect on the DIY crowd. These large flavoring companies were around long before vaping and will continue to be around so buying flavorings should be a non-issue, the only exception may be tobacco flavoring.
 

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and the part of the LorAnne letter that stuck out:

However, with that disclosure, the flavor manufacturer must also provide health and toxicology information for those ingredients when used in this particular application (cigarettes, e-cigarettes, hookah & cigars).

I am not sure how accurate that statement is. It's the vendors who sell the e-cigarettes, hookah and cigars, that are required to provide the health and toxicology information ( as part of PMTA ). Lorann needed to divulge their formulas ( i.e. the makeup of their flavors ) for the ingredient listing requirement by Feb 2017 ( or Aug 2017, for the flavors used in the liquid small manufacturers sell ). Obviously they chose not to do that, which is not surprising. They didn't mind the extra sales they garnered from the ecig industry, but they always have distanced themselves from the industry in public statements.
 
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