On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

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I know that batteries aren't really something we need to be overly concerned with at this time. However I just purchased a number of stealth mods that run on 18350 batteries. I went looking for flat top 18350s and found them difficult to find, and the better rated ones I could only find at online vape stores. This concerns me. Do you guys think that 18350s will go the way of the Dodo in the near future? Also, I'm contemplating stockpiling 18350s but I really have no idea how long you can store them for. Anyone have any insight on this.
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It would probably be a better chance.
That would also cut out the higher wattage stuff which the vape opponents want to do.
"Mid 2014" would also disqualify all temperature-controlled mods. The very first temperature control board, the DNA40, wasn't released until October of 2014. A lot of folks are of the opinion that Evolv rushed it out the door in an attempt to beat a potential grandfather date.

Would this bother me much personally? No, not really. I played around with TC for a year, but in the end, I concluded that I can get a totally satisfying vape from a no-tech mechanical mod. But I have no doubt that temperature control is great for new vapers who don't yet know what they're doing, or people who simply don't want to learn.
 

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I know that batteries aren't really something we need to be overly concerned with at this time. However I just purchased a number of stealth mods that run on 18350 batteries. I went looking for flat top 18350s and found them difficult to find, and the better rated ones I could only find at online vape stores. This concerns me. Do you guys think that 18350s will go the way of the Dodo in the near future? Also, I'm contemplating stockpiling 18350s but I really have no idea how long you can store them for. Anyone have any insight on this.
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As a rule of thumb, they probably lose 10% of their capacity per year in storage. This assumes proper storage, i.e. reasonable temperatures and optimal charge charge (3.6-3.7v -- not full!)

Personally, I wouldn't make anything that doesn't take an 18650 part of my long-term plan.
 

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I know I will get Flamed for this... But I would Give Up all the Flavored e-Liquids after Mid-2014 if I could have a Guarantee of Liquid Nicotine and Pre Mid-2014 devices to use it in.
When it comes to devices, one could certainly do worse than a Provari or DNA30 and a Kayfun, or a REO and one of the BF RDAs that were available back then. It would be hard to convince me that those aren't good enough to get people off cigs.
 

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I got off cigs with an eGo.
Naturally, I vastly prefer the devices I have now, but you can still quit on something very basic.
I just hope there is some sort of workable (ie something other than cigalikes) product available when the dust settles, or there are going to be a lot of people who die needlessly.
 

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When it comes to devices, one could certainly do worse than a Provari or DNA30 and a Kayfun, or a REO and one of the BF RDAs that were available back then. It would be hard to convince me that those aren't good enough to get people off cigs.

Yeah... I lot of people Quit Smoking using Pre Mid-2014 Hardware.

Don't get me Wrong. I would love to see the Predicate Date moved to May 2016. Sure would. But with So Much to Lose, basically Everything, I would be pushing for Less in a way to get More.
 

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As a rule of thumb, they probably lose 10% of their capacity per year in storage. This assumes proper storage, i.e. reasonable temperatures and optimal charge charge (3.6-3.7v -- not full!)

Personally, I wouldn't make anything that doesn't take an 18650 part of my long-term plan.
Good info. I purchased ten 18350 mods. Guess I'll stop with that and change my plan.
Thanks for the info. :)
 

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    I bought all my 18350's from Amazon. Both button top and flat top. Sadly I'll hate to admit they are 'efest' ones even though the 4-5A my 15W mods might use is way within the typical overrating of their batteries (and within what they test out to be capable of).
    https://www.amazon.com/MXJO-18350F-...qid=1466385593&sr=8-16&keywords=18350+battery
    In 18350 format (and 18500, for that matter) there are very little manufacturer options. AW is likely the best bet, but in my area eFest are everywhere and alternative options are nearly non-existant.

    I own a bunch of flat top and button top 18350/18500 eFests, and they work great for me. My one AW might last a bit longer, but I have no complaints with my eFests.
     
    If you didn't watch the vid I posted earlier, according to Wicked, there is also a battery section in the new FDA Regs that require testing also. This part/section would be beneficial to all. As I understand it, they mention ecig batts and even hover board batteries....lol.
    It sounds like the 'junk rewraps' days are numbered.
     

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    In 18350 format (and 18500, for that matter) there are very little manufacturer options. AW is likely the best bet, but in my area eFest are everywhere and alternative options are nearly non-existant.

    I own a bunch of flat top and button top 18350/18500 eFests, and they work great for me. My one AW might last a bit longer, but I have no complaints with my eFests.

    I have 8-12 eFests. I have no complaints with them ether.
     
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    If you didn't watch the vid I posted earlier, according to Wicked, there is also a battery section in the new FDA Regs that require testing also. This part/section would be beneficial to all. As I understand it, they mention ecig batts and even hover board batteries....lol.
    It sounds like the 'junk rewraps' days are numbered.

    I DID watch the video. It seems that Mr Wicked (for lack of remembering his name) figures mostly business as usual for the next 2yrs. They are not going anywhere.

    As far as 'battery safety' I can see in 2yrs that ether specific batteries will be approved with specific mods or we'll be stuck with built in batteries (much like the pre-2007 mods of the day). I have doubts that the FDA will approve 'open battery systems' as all these are fairly standard sizes and used in everything from laptops to power tools to built into camera battery packs.

    While the video did not get into the possible changes in regulations at the State level, I also doubt that the States will leave vaping alone.

    Hence why I stocked up.
     
    All of my flashlights also use 18650's.
    As far as stocking up, he mentions a good point.....many devices will be put out between now and 8/16 so they will fall in the pre date. I want to wait and see what's coming out and how well it works before I stock up on devices atm.
    We have two years as 'Business as usual' for current devices.
     

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    just smuggled this into Canada ... gotta do what we gotta do :blink:

    2L of Vapers Tek Chemnovatic Nicotine

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    So when the border guard said "do you have anything to declare?" You didn't answer with "well I do have 200000mg of liquid nicotine"?

    I'm tellin. ;)
     
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