On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[Tommy-Chi]

I've also been wondering about this. I wouldn't know which 510 connectors to purchase for my various mods.

It's a little difficult to know. There are many styles.

What I am going to do is to buy calipers and measure some of the 510s and see what they measure out at, then order the parts for those few I am unsure of. (This comment has to do with sigelei 213s (have 2) and sigelei Fuchai 213s (have 4). I have 6 total and the 510s are very small looking.

I'll probably end up with 6 to 10 - RX200S mods, and I am going to replace the 510's on them as they need it. They are faulty 510s, so I'll be buying 3 - 510s for each of those mods.

 

[bnrkwest]

I was going to buy thread savers but heard that they increase resistance. Can anyone dispel this roumer?

Check resistance with and without and see if any change?

 

[bnrkwest]

There are federal laws on the books that cannot be enforced without the help of the states. If states refuse or have their own laws on the books, there is little the feds can do. They simply don't have the man power for one, and the Feds are not sovereign the states are.

Fed law trumps state law, states can do as they please as long as they are not violating fed law.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Check resistance with and without and see if any change?

Yep! Someone with thread savers please do this and report back.

Also, please give us the link where you bought it so that we can order the part if it is a good deal.

Thanks!

 

[bnrkwest]

Yep! Someone with thread savers please do this and report back.

Also, please give us the link where you bought it so that we can order the part if it is a good deal.

Thanks!

I can check in my Provari later on. I got my 510 to 510 from highdesertvapes but many vendors have them and I also got some heat sinks from Fasttech.

 

[JCinFLA]

FT has all sorts of 510 to 510 adapters (thread savers as you call them), as well as 510 to eGo/510 adapters. I've bought some of each from them. They work fine!

Here's a few:

510/510 adapter

510 to eGo/510 adapter - These bigger ones are like the one that comes on eLeaf iSticks. They also do a great job of protecting the top of your mod from scratches...if you have a tank with bottom edges that like to mar your mod.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Fed law trumps state law, states can do as they please as long as they are not violating fed law.

Depends on the law and circumstances. Usually the SC decides.
Colorado and Washington state are doing that right now. These states have legalized the 'name not to be mentioned' and it is still against Fed law.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

China isn't bound by -any- nation's law or rule except in how those laws and rules may effect demand/purchases/sales. China is notorious for skirting import/export restrictions and are quite talented at evading customs by describing/classifying restricted/tariffed products as being something that's restriction/tariff free. Instead of being shipped as a "5ml vaping atomizer", it may be described as "electronic accessory" (or something along those lines) and like Fasttech the sender may appear to be an individual rather than a company. If there's a demand for large volume attys China will build them. It isn't that they're innovative, it's that they're free from "nanny state" rules/regulations and can manufacture -whatever- they think will sell without a dozen state/federal agencies riding shotgun over (micromanaging) their operations. One of -many- reasons the entire U.S. manufacturing sector shut down and relocated their factories over there.

I know many interesting things regarding China having dated a woman from Shanghai for two years while living in Silicon Valley, CA. We would have been wed by now but the co that I worked for closed down, and after unsuccessfully looking for work during the NASDAQ crash I came back to Illinois.

What you say regarding US/China regulations is true, but there is more too relocating than just this. The Chinese up to now steal all of their product ideas except in very niche markets, like vaping, and even then they steal many of their ideas. It creates competition but there is a dilemma for US manufacturers. They are more or less forced to relocate to China or lose the market entirely. The products produced in China are marketed globally and not bound in many cases by US Patent laws, so once the good is stolen, they either accept what is being offered or get nothing in return. The US (or EU) manufacturer (to the best of my knowledge at this time in 2016) must find a Chinese investment group to open the business or mass produce the product. That Chinese group it is mandated by Chinese law, owns 51% of the business, NOT the US based manufacturer that came up with the product in the first place.

Nonetheless, I buy a lot of Chinese goods. I do not check labels in most cases. I am looking forward to better trade deals. We are being robbed.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

the govt cant even guard our boarders from the drug runners.

as for the FDA,, with them focusing so much energy on policing the vape industry.. it tells you they are not going to be able to keep up with reviewing all of the drugs in the pipeline waiting for results.........basically there is likely a cure for something stuck in the system that cannot get attention because of the ignorance of our govt. --yes,, i actively remind non vape haters of this,, hope you dont need whatever that drug cures.

That is an example of selective enforcement.

The US Govt under the current administration is NOT enforcing immigration laws on the books. Not only that but corporations and the US Govt and relocating illegals in to the US away from the border.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Just bought 4 - Varitube 510 connectors.

 

[bnrkwest]

Depends on the law and circumstances. Usually the SC decides.
Colorado and Washington state are doing that right now. These states have legalized the 'name not to be mentioned' and it is still against Fed law.

Good point and they are bringing in tax money by the boat load. I wish the states would leave vape alone and do what WA and CO are doing, in fact NM is discussing it, they need the revenue too.

 

[Rappunzle]

I would... get your nic base. Right about now. Because all the stuff you purchased, won't be too useful without something to vape in it. Everything else is a point of view, but looking into my crystal ball, 100mg/ml nic is *never again* going to be this cheap and this available. And right now, there's a lot of people waking up and realizing they have 5 minutes left to order nicotine, so it'd be a great idea to get that one thing taken care of immediately, prior to spending a few thousand more on hardware ;-)

So 100ml will be enough? I'm still at 18 with a tough of a 24 nic juice.

I ready that Highbrow and Ahlusion were good places to order. Recommendations?

I'm still afraid of the Nic. Don't know how to store it. Actually, don't know how to store the pg and vg. AND Do I buy just straight flavors to create my own flavors? I know, I need to go to the DIY forum.

 

[Rappunzle]

^^^ This. Omw to put in my first order thanks for the push lol.

Where did you order yours?

 

[Rappunzle]

I really doubt anything from China will be an issue. Fasttech, Gearbeast, eFun.top do not care what laws the US has, there's no consequence for them to keep sending packages into the US. A few may get intercepted, but the all-knowing, all-seeing police state is still a ways off; the FDA can pass whatever regulations it wants, but it lacks infinite money and manpower to enforce any of this. Fasttech sells 50 tons of electronic crap unrelated to e-cigs and they're gonna do what, open every single package or train mod & atty sniffing dogs? It's just not tenable to enforce any of their nonsense.

The problem is ... with the US and EU regs effectively killing innovation, it's gonna be awfully hard for them to clone the Kayfun 6 and mini v4, since they're not ever gonna exist.

Also, any ejuice from Isreal's Yealiq. Stealth Shipping!

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

It's a little difficult to know. There are many styles.

What I am going to do is to buy calipers and measure some of the 510s and see what they measure out at, then order the parts for those few I am unsure of. (This comment has to do with Sigelei 213s (have 2) and Sigelei Fuchai 213s (have 4). I have 6 total and the 510s are very small looking.

I'll probably end up with 6 to 10 - RX200S mods, and I am going to replace the 510's on them as they need it. They are faulty 510s, so I'll be buying 3 - 510s for each of those mods.

Instead of trying to match the mod match the tank you are using on it. That way it looks like an extension of the tank and it will set flush with it. The adapters won't do that and will look funny. The heat sinks should not change the resistance but slightly and they look nicer.
$1.95 510 Heat Dissipation Heat Sink for Atomizers - stainless steel / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$4.46 510 Heat Dissipation Heat Sink for Atomizers (5-Pack) 5-pack - aluminum / 22mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
They show the outside of the diameter as being 22mm and these fit the ST.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

So 100ml will be enough? I'm still at 18 with a tough of a 24 nic juice.

I ready that Highbrow and Ahlusion were good places to order. Recommendations?

I'm still afraid of the Nic. Don't know how to store it. Actually, don't know how to store the pg and vg. AND Do I buy just straight flavors to create my own flavors? I know, I need to go to the DIY forum.

Good place to start
DIY E-Liquid
And you can find all your answers to your questions there.

 

[Saippenu]

Or worse yet, Postal Inspectors find that you've been bringing contraband into the country and a year later, after their investigation is completed, you find law enforcement at your door.

The Government has many ways of enforcement. And while many may think it's impossible for them to catch everything, you may find that your number was drawn on the great lottery wheel and they decide to throw the book at you as an example to everyone else.

I've been wanting to say this for while on this topic. As for the U.S. not doing a good job of policing illegal drugs coming into the country in the past, you need to realize that those drugs are not taxable. They aren't making money by stopping it. I think you are underestimating the greed factor here.

Secondly, I hear alot of people talking about their shipments being seized as if it is no big deal, you're just out the money you paid. This is not the case. Many years ago I used to order something that was not a prescription drug in many other countries but was here in the U.S. I assumed that it was ok to buy it for my own personal use, so long as I wasn't importing what would be seen as a quantity for resale. I also assumed that nobody was going to be checking every package and how could they possibly know what it was?

I ordered for two years with no problems......then one day an order that shipped never arrived. Ok I thought, I'll just reorder, it's cheap enough after all. Imagine my surprise when a very official and scary letter from the gov't arrived at my door. It basically said that if I have a legal prescription that I am welcome to show it to them and get my package.....but if I didnt have one, and I ever get caught purchasing overseas again, that I would be prosecuted and possibly face jail time. I have never ordered another drug/cosmetic item that required a prescription in the U.S again from another country. That letter was very official and very scary to read. They weren't messing around.

If they can't nail the seller, they will come for the buyer. If there are taxes and fines to be lost there is much more incentive to come after people.

I personally feel that some here are being very naive about this. Once they've opened a package with contraband they will know where it shipped from. That manufacturer goes on a list and they watch their shipments. If it's China they can do nothing but come after you.

I guess that letter I got years ago is one of the reasons that I have stocked up on everything that I need to vape for the next 10 years. Some people get a thrill from feeling like a criminal. I am not one of them.

Do people who sell illegal drugs let you send them a check and mail it to you? No never. It's a whole different ballgame. Once you mail it, you're begging to get caught. Let's not forget x-rays etc. It's easier than ever to check packages quickly, especially if the vendor made it onto a list.

 

[JCinFLA]

@Rappunzle - Some of the more favored places to buy 100mg/mL Nic base, in no particular order are:

RTS
Heartland
Wizard Labs
Nude Nicotine
My Freedom Smokes
ECig Express
Carolina Extracts (?)

There are others, too, but those I've seen mentioned the most in the last couple years.

 

[Slots]

So 100ml will be enough? I'm still at 18 with a tough of a 24 nic juice.
I'm still afraid of the Nic. Don't know how to store it.

If you vape 6ml a day at 24mg, a liter will last for 2 years.
So .. that's "rough", but everyone can pretty much figure out how much to store using their own figures.

To store, break one liter down into 250ml or smaller brown/blue glass bottles and keep in the freezer.
Keep one out to use. Fill to the top, as it "shrinks" when frozen .. and BTY, it won't freeze solid in household freezers.
When those bottles are empty, break down another liter.

Move from freezer to frig, then into room temp to warm up slowly for use.
It will keep for years in the freezer without the nic deteriorating, as long as it's kept away from light, and not exposed to oxygen.
There's been no problem after 7 years, but nobody that we know of, has kept it longer than that.

Also, if you get some liquid on you , just rinse it off.
Nic will not kill you unless you decide to bath in it .. but keep it away from children and pets, it can kill them.
To help confine spills, set the bottles in a baking pan, or tray while pouring, "just in case"
PG and VG will store long after their "pull date" in a cool dark place.... closet, garage, etc.

 

[r055co]

I've been wanting to say this for while on this topic. As for the U.S. not doing a good job of policing illegal drugs coming into the country in the past, you need to realize that those drugs are not taxable. They aren't making money by stopping it. I think you are underestimating the greed factor here.

Secondly, I hear alot of people talking about their shipments being seized as if it is no big deal, you're just out the money you paid. This is not the case. Many years ago I used to order something that was not a prescription drug in many other countries but was here in the U.S. I assumed that it was ok to buy it for my own personal use, so long as I wasn't importing what would be seen as a quantity for resale. I also assumed that nobody was going to be checking every package and how could they possibly know what it was?

I ordered for two years with no problems......then one day an order that shipped never arrived. Ok I thought, I'll just reorder, it's cheap enough after all. Imagine my surprise when a very official and scary letter from the gov't arrived at my door. It basically said that if I have a legal prescription that I am welcome to show it to them and get my package.....but if I didnt have one, and I ever get caught purchasing overseas again, that I would be prosecuted and possibly face jail time. I have never ordered another drug/cosmetic item that required a prescription in the U.S again from another country. That letter was very official and very scary to read. They weren't messing around.

If they can't nail the seller, they will come for the buyer. If there are taxes and fines to be lost there is much more incentive to come after people.

I personally feel that some here are being very naive about this. Once they've opened a package with contraband they will know where it shipped from. That manufacturer goes on a list and they watch their shipments. If it's China they can do nothing but come after you.

I guess that letter I got years ago is one of the reasons that I have stocked up on everything that I need to vape for the next 10 years. Some people get a thrill from feeling like a criminal. I am not one of them.

Do people who sell illegal drugs let you send them a check and mail it to you? No never. It's a whole different ballgame. Once you mail it, you're begging to get caught. Let's not forget x-rays etc. It's easier than ever to check packages quickly, especially if the vendor made it onto a list.

Yep, it's serious business that a lot of people are very naive about. Example is here in WA State it's a Class C Felony to buy Tobacco online. I know someone who has done it for a long time and say "oh they're not going to come after me". Wrong, they will and they have, but there are some that will play the odds. Thing is with the shear amount of tax revenue from tobacco if people think they won't be actively going after people and making examples of them, well they have a serious rude awaking coming up.

Me, I've got well over 30 years worth of nic juice in the freezer and I just bought another liter. I'm making very, very sure that I have well beyond what I need. Mark my word, there will be major taxes and/or restrictions on base nic juice. Government are nothing but pigs at the trough and are insuring they can continue to gorge themselves off the sweat of the general public.