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What the world really needs is better parents.

Plenty of good parents, you can't chain the kids to your ankle 24/7.

Narcist society...read the ggovt expects psychological related jobs to be huge in 2025...people unable to deal with the fact the rest of society doesn't worship them

I think Kross's quote proves the need for better parents. Recent generations have done a terrible job. Our kids are obsessed with digital lives, not real life. They have websites dedicated to posting pictures of themselves. They keep up with a family not their own and one utterly not worth knowing anything about. They think there are 66+ genders despite biology saying different. Every now and again one of them snaps and shoots up a school. They need safe spaces because their feelings get hurt so easily. Our last presidential options were an orange troll or an untrustworthy shrew. The troll won. They think the world revolves around "their" reality. Yeah, "my reality" is a saying now. And now our politicians think taking away one of the key reasons to vape (the much less dangerous alternative) instead of smoke. Our kids and grand kids are doomed.
 

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If politicians could be shamed, that might be helpful. However, when ex presidents write books longer than my posts about how they lied under oath as president and merely get DISBARRED (I mean, I don't think he was planning on a life of lawyering after his presidency) instead of the true penalty which would be, for lying under oath EXECUTED FOR TREASON, well, perhaps pols would feel the need to be more covert. If Dr .Gottleib even NOTICED those billboards at all, he'd probably be like, "Cool BT is going to have to pay me MORE under the table money."

Heck, he'd probably find a way to leverage the COLOGNE lobby too.

Also, while I agree parenting could be better, I also want you to think back to your misspent youth and what YOU got away with, i.e. smoking. It was kind of a simpler time then. I refuse to blame parents (or youth) on the fact that these minorities have been USED by the politicians when it's not the kids at all, it's the politicians using the kids FOR CHUM.

Even though I only started smoking at 18, I did plenty of other dumb stuff. I don't blame my parents, the parents of my friends, none of it. I don't even really blame myself, I just happened to be born with a set of risk taking addictive genetics, and MOST teens don't get a handle on that right away, sometimes not even at ALL. I'm actually glad I could pick myself up and scrape off the road rash in my early twenties, but my most PERNICIOUS addiction, smoking took me until 41 to address.

I genuinely and truly wish that any child considering smoking would vape instead. I let my child vape underage because he was already SMOKING, I also limited it to certain places and told him he would be severely punished for bringing it somewhere that would come back on me. He vaped steadily until he QUIT vaping and is now really struggling with the cigarette issue in a way he never did before. I wish he had stuck with vaping, and really, I think it's better for teens to experiment with vaping not smoking and YOU KNOW WHAT I REALLY THINK many of you would be singing a different tune if the teen issues had not been CHOSEN by Gottleib. MANY of us smoked as teens, NO QUESTIONS asked.

If I blame anyone, I blame the media, I blame the schools, who are educating with propaganda but above ALL I blame politicians and interest groups and etc. etc. ect.

There used to be a time where families had sanctity in our culture. They stayed near each other, they were not torn up into the "nuclear" family that has become so useful to "society." Teens got in less trouble and when they did, it was parents talking to parents, not cops locking up kids and condemning the child or family, or using the kid to wave a flag of "what must happen so WE can make money."

Society, families and children have changed so much because this is what people in POWER want them to be.

I was lucky with my kid, I had lots of home time, I was near my nuclear family to help, and I possessed resources I NEEDED to raise a great kid (who is dealing with HIS impulsivity and addictive tendencies even SOONER than I did.)

That was HARD WORK. It meant being a detective, weighing choices, paying family I trusted to care for him when I was unavailable. He was NEVER a latch key kid. I would go into schools, routinely, AND CALL THEM ON THEIR BS, EVERY LAST TIME.. I did not back down, I did not shut up, and administrators HATED and feared me as often as they found me agreeable (although it was OFTEN not all the time). I taught my son he was every bit as important, worthwhile and independent in thought and behavior as the adults surrounding hima and that provided he was within the realm of general politeness, he had that RIGHT. He attended meetings with administrators by MY choice and heard what I said. He was ALLOWED TO BE HUMAN.

This is not how many children are treated today, and I am here to say that it was like a second job at all times, all the time. I regret NOTHING because I know my kiddo with his genetics and intelligence, would have been a train wreck with the wrong set of parents. Do not think I was always kind, loving, etc. he got as many consequences as he deserved, along with SUPPORT on the way.

But schools SUCK you'd be shocked at HOW FEW (and how much I TREASURED those teachers, frankly) teachers can combine effective classroom rule with allowing children to be individuals. Who will ADMIT when I came trotting in with some bit of homework that was pretty much propaganda and said, "You need to fix this." and some of them DID even if it had to be over recess.

Blaming kids and families is NOT OKAY. They aren't the ones with power, money etc . THE INSTITUTIONS that surround us are holding up the TEENS for us to condemn. They want US, the adults the voters, to play along with their puppet show of BLAMING the most vulnerable among us, THE YOUTH and the FAMILIES struggling to keep up.

DO not give them what they want. Do not be fooled. Do not blame a teen for Juuling and even a parent that allows it. YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY and ONLY what Gottleib wants.

HE is the problem not teens being teens while their families try to cope. And if you are a family "doing well" kindly remember that all families are not as "fortunate" as you. Because I was for sure FILLED with luck, help, and sanity.

My kid's a libertarian except when he gets sucked into some political madness. I'm proud of that, because I did not tell him to, teach him to, etc. I merely set his autodidact brain in the direction of "Try to find out what politics REALLY IS."

He knows. Because he CHOSE to find out.

Don't be the sheep, be the wolf in sheep's clothing don't blame a single teen blame GOTTLIEB and his staff.

Don't.

Don't.
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Congress gets a 10% "good job" rating.
Congressmun get 90% re-elected.

Chew on that a few seconds....

Now, if you don't like your government, then why keep re-electing them.

They pander to a local crowd and others pay the cost.

The times, they are changing. I watched it begin when my skateboarding baseball playing buddies stayed indoors to play Atari 'pong', 'battle tank', 'centepede' etc. Instead of going to a pool hall on Saturday night where you mingled with a random crowd they played video games at home with a select few.

Combine that with politicians giving out free stuff... not just free phones, but look at how many tax deductions are available to the average family.

With everything "free" comes government authority. Now these "do-good'rs" have all kinds of wonderful ideas how OUR lives can be better.... simply put they act as though we don't have enough sense to think for ourselves.... and there are plenty of examples to prove them correct.

The silent majority is slowly becoming a forgotten concept as beaurecrats gain more and more power. Power gladly handed over by way too many people these days. They are now emboldened enough that they no longer hide their twisted intentions as more and more people say "yay, thank you, can I have more free stuff."...

As long as I can find flavorings at local stores, this whole 'ban flavors' thing doesn't get under my skin at all. Yeah, it's nice to walk into a vape store and grab a bottle of my favorite sauce. The trouble here is all of the non-revenue not filling high tax and spend government coffers as they devise more and more ways to spend our money on free stuff to further their careers in public office.

The public official turned ghestapo is all too real these days. But it's easy to 'primary' them out. That's another subject for another time. But it's something that the silent majority needs to understand unless they want to watch their freedoms (such as freedom to choose vape flavors) continue to be stripped away by a bunch of do-gooder-lame-o's.
 

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I prefer unflavoured vape juice over flavoured....by a long way :oops:

Cant even legally buy unflavoured nicotine here!! :mad:

Handguns are banned in Chicago and illicit drugs all across America....

Just goes to show:
If flavors are outlawed
Only outlaws will have flavors.
 

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I have a feeling it isn't stopping you.......:shock:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Handguns are banned in Chicago and illicit drugs all across America....

Just goes to show:
If flavors are outlawed
Only outlaws will have flavors.
Im not going to let any stupid laws get in the way of a good vape.
If they banned flavours here I would start using them even though I dont really like them. I'd show them.
 

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If politicians could be shamed, that might be helpful. However, when ex presidents write books longer than my posts about how they lied under oath as president and merely get DISBARRED (I mean, I don't think he was planning on a life of lawyering after his presidency) instead of the true penalty which would be, for lying under oath EXECUTED FOR TREASON, well, perhaps pols would feel the need to be more covert. If Dr .Gottleib even NOTICED those billboards at all, he'd probably be like, "Cool BT is going to have to pay me MORE under the table money."

Heck, he'd probably find a way to leverage the COLOGNE lobby too.

Also, while I agree parenting could be better, I also want you to think back to your misspent youth and what YOU got away with, i.e. smoking. It was kind of a simpler time then. I refuse to blame parents (or youth) on the fact that these minorities have been USED by the politicians when it's not the kids at all, it's the politicians using the kids FOR CHUM.

Even though I only started smoking at 18, I did plenty of other dumb stuff. I don't blame my parents, the parents of my friends, none of it. I don't even really blame myself, I just happened to be born with a set of risk taking addictive genetics, and MOST teens don't get a handle on that right away, sometimes not even at ALL. I'm actually glad I could pick myself up and scrape off the road rash in my early twenties, but my most PERNICIOUS addiction, smoking took me until 41 to address.

I genuinely and truly wish that any child considering smoking would vape instead. I let my child vape underage because he was already SMOKING, I also limited it to certain places and told him he would be severely punished for bringing it somewhere that would come back on me. He vaped steadily until he QUIT vaping and is now really struggling with the cigarette issue in a way he never did before. I wish he had stuck with vaping, and really, I think it's better for teens to experiment with vaping not smoking and YOU KNOW WHAT I REALLY THINK many of you would be singing a different tune if the teen issues had not been CHOSEN by Gottleib. MANY of us smoked as teens, NO QUESTIONS asked.

If I blame anyone, I blame the media, I blame the schools, who are educating with propaganda but above ALL I blame politicians and interest groups and etc. etc. ect.

There used to be a time where families had sanctity in our culture. They stayed near each other, they were not torn up into the "nuclear" family that has become so useful to "society." Teens got in less trouble and when they did, it was parents talking to parents, not cops locking up kids and condemning the child or family, or using the kid to wave a flag of "what must happen so WE can make money."

Society, families and children have changed so much because this is what people in POWER want them to be.

I was lucky with my kid, I had lots of home time, I was near my nuclear family to help, and I possessed resources I NEEDED to raise a great kid (who is dealing with HIS impulsivity and addictive tendencies even SOONER than I did.)

That was HARD WORK. It meant being a detective, weighing choices, paying family I trusted to care for him when I was unavailable. He was NEVER a latch key kid. I would go into schools, routinely, AND CALL THEM ON THEIR BS, EVERY LAST TIME.. I did not back down, I did not shut up, and administrators HATED and feared me as often as they found me agreeable (although it was OFTEN not all the time). I taught my son he was every bit as important, worthwhile and independent in thought and behavior as the adults surrounding hima and that provided he was within the realm of general politeness, he had that RIGHT. He attended meetings with administrators by MY choice and heard what I said. He was ALLOWED TO BE HUMAN.

This is not how many children are treated today, and I am here to say that it was like a second job at all times, all the time. I regret NOTHING because I know my kiddo with his genetics and intelligence, would have been a train wreck with the wrong set of parents. Do not think I was always kind, loving, etc. he got as many consequences as he deserved, along with SUPPORT on the way.

But schools SUCK you'd be shocked at HOW FEW (and how much I TREASURED those teachers, frankly) teachers can combine effective classroom rule with allowing children to be individuals. Who will ADMIT when I came trotting in with some bit of homework that was pretty much propaganda and said, "You need to fix this." and some of them DID even if it had to be over recess.

Blaming kids and families is NOT OKAY. They aren't the ones with power, money etc . THE INSTITUTIONS that surround us are holding up the TEENS for us to condemn. They want US, the adults the voters, to play along with their puppet show of BLAMING the most vulnerable among us, THE YOUTH and the FAMILIES struggling to keep up.

DO not give them what they want. Do not be fooled. Do not blame a teen for Juuling and even a parent that allows it. YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY and ONLY what Gottleib wants.

HE is the problem not teens being teens while their families try to cope. And if you are a family "doing well" kindly remember that all families are not as "fortunate" as you. Because I was for sure FILLED with luck, help, and sanity.

My kid's a libertarian except when he gets sucked into some political madness. I'm proud of that, because I did not tell him to, teach him to, etc. I merely set his autodidact brain in the direction of "Try to find out what politics REALLY IS."

He knows. Because he CHOSE to find out.

Don't be the sheep, be the wolf in sheep's clothing don't blame a single teen blame GOTTLIEB and his staff.

Don't.

Don't.
Anna
personally, I think politicians should be hung at the end of their terms. that way we only keep the ones that make real positive changes.
 

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personally, I think politicians should be hung at the end of their terms. that way we only keep the ones that make real positive changes.

If all politicians were hung at the end of their terms, we wouldn't be keeping any at all.
Also, there would be no motivation to be a politician, good or bad, if there was a mandatory death sentence at the end of the term, lol.
I'm not a fan of the majority of politicians, but that might be a tad harsh. :lol:

Maybe a grading system one must pass in order to be eligible for re-election would be a little less 'final' as solutions go.
 
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If all politicians were hung at the end of their terms, we wouldn't be keeping any at all.
Also, there would be no motivation to be a politician, good or bad, if there was a mandatory death sentence at the end of the term, lol.
I'm not a fan of the majority of politicians, but that might be a tad harsh. :lol:

Maybe a grading system one must pass in order to be eligible for re-election would be a little less 'final' as solutions go.
lol, politicians run for their "clicks" on the backs of the fools who voted for them. its a win win for them,,no real change.
 
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lol, politicians run for their "clicks" on the backs of the fools who voted for them. its a win win for them,,no real change.

I was thinking of a system that was a little less corruptible.
I say less because corrupt ones will always find a way to corrupt it to a degree.
 
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If politicians could be shamed, that might be helpful. However, when ex presidents write books longer than my posts about how they lied under oath as president and merely get DISBARRED (I mean, I don't think he was planning on a life of lawyering after his presidency) instead of the true penalty which would be, for lying under oath EXECUTED FOR TREASON, well, perhaps pols would feel the need to be more covert. If Dr .Gottleib even NOTICED those billboards at all, he'd probably be like, "Cool BT is going to have to pay me MORE under the table money."

Heck, he'd probably find a way to leverage the COLOGNE lobby too.

Also, while I agree parenting could be better, I also want you to think back to your misspent youth and what YOU got away with, i.e. smoking. It was kind of a simpler time then. I refuse to blame parents (or youth) on the fact that these minorities have been USED by the politicians when it's not the kids at all, it's the politicians using the kids FOR CHUM.

Even though I only started smoking at 18, I did plenty of other dumb stuff. I don't blame my parents, the parents of my friends, none of it. I don't even really blame myself, I just happened to be born with a set of risk taking addictive genetics, and MOST teens don't get a handle on that right away, sometimes not even at ALL. I'm actually glad I could pick myself up and scrape off the road rash in my early twenties, but my most PERNICIOUS addiction, smoking took me until 41 to address.

I genuinely and truly wish that any child considering smoking would vape instead. I let my child vape underage because he was already SMOKING, I also limited it to certain places and told him he would be severely punished for bringing it somewhere that would come back on me. He vaped steadily until he QUIT vaping and is now really struggling with the cigarette issue in a way he never did before. I wish he had stuck with vaping, and really, I think it's better for teens to experiment with vaping not smoking and YOU KNOW WHAT I REALLY THINK many of you would be singing a different tune if the teen issues had not been CHOSEN by Gottleib. MANY of us smoked as teens, NO QUESTIONS asked.

If I blame anyone, I blame the media, I blame the schools, who are educating with propaganda but above ALL I blame politicians and interest groups and etc. etc. ect.

There used to be a time where families had sanctity in our culture. They stayed near each other, they were not torn up into the "nuclear" family that has become so useful to "society." Teens got in less trouble and when they did, it was parents talking to parents, not cops locking up kids and condemning the child or family, or using the kid to wave a flag of "what must happen so WE can make money."

Society, families and children have changed so much because this is what people in POWER want them to be.

I was lucky with my kid, I had lots of home time, I was near my nuclear family to help, and I possessed resources I NEEDED to raise a great kid (who is dealing with HIS impulsivity and addictive tendencies even SOONER than I did.)

That was HARD WORK. It meant being a detective, weighing choices, paying family I trusted to care for him when I was unavailable. He was NEVER a latch key kid. I would go into schools, routinely, AND CALL THEM ON THEIR BS, EVERY LAST TIME.. I did not back down, I did not shut up, and administrators HATED and feared me as often as they found me agreeable (although it was OFTEN not all the time). I taught my son he was every bit as important, worthwhile and independent in thought and behavior as the adults surrounding hima and that provided he was within the realm of general politeness, he had that RIGHT. He attended meetings with administrators by MY choice and heard what I said. He was ALLOWED TO BE HUMAN.

This is not how many children are treated today, and I am here to say that it was like a second job at all times, all the time. I regret NOTHING because I know my kiddo with his genetics and intelligence, would have been a train wreck with the wrong set of parents. Do not think I was always kind, loving, etc. he got as many consequences as he deserved, along with SUPPORT on the way.

But schools SUCK you'd be shocked at HOW FEW (and how much I TREASURED those teachers, frankly) teachers can combine effective classroom rule with allowing children to be individuals. Who will ADMIT when I came trotting in with some bit of homework that was pretty much propaganda and said, "You need to fix this." and some of them DID even if it had to be over recess.

Blaming kids and families is NOT OKAY. They aren't the ones with power, money etc . THE INSTITUTIONS that surround us are holding up the TEENS for us to condemn. They want US, the adults the voters, to play along with their puppet show of BLAMING the most vulnerable among us, THE YOUTH and the FAMILIES struggling to keep up.

DO not give them what they want. Do not be fooled. Do not blame a teen for Juuling and even a parent that allows it. YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY and ONLY what Gottleib wants.

HE is the problem not teens being teens while their families try to cope. And if you are a family "doing well" kindly remember that all families are not as "fortunate" as you. Because I was for sure FILLED with luck, help, and sanity.

My kid's a libertarian except when he gets sucked into some political madness. I'm proud of that, because I did not tell him to, teach him to, etc. I merely set his autodidact brain in the direction of "Try to find out what politics REALLY IS."

He knows. Because he CHOSE to find out.

Don't be the sheep, be the wolf in sheep's clothing don't blame a single teen blame GOTTLIEB and his staff.

Don't.

Don't.
Anna
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I was thinking of a system that was a little less corruptible.
I say less because corrupt ones will always find a way to corrupt it to a degree.
artificial intelligence (AI) likely the answer and we dont have to pay them or support their sorry butts when they 'retire'
 
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If politicians could be shamed, that might be helpful. However, when ex presidents write books longer than my posts about how they lied under oath as president and merely get DISBARRED (I mean, I don't think he was planning on a life of lawyering after his presidency) instead of the true penalty which would be, for lying under oath EXECUTED FOR TREASON, well, perhaps pols would feel the need to be more covert. If Dr .Gottleib even NOTICED those billboards at all, he'd probably be like, "Cool BT is going to have to pay me MORE under the table money."

Heck, he'd probably find a way to leverage the COLOGNE lobby too.

Also, while I agree parenting could be better, I also want you to think back to your misspent youth and what YOU got away with, i.e. smoking. It was kind of a simpler time then. I refuse to blame parents (or youth) on the fact that these minorities have been USED by the politicians when it's not the kids at all, it's the politicians using the kids FOR CHUM.

Even though I only started smoking at 18, I did plenty of other dumb stuff. I don't blame my parents, the parents of my friends, none of it. I don't even really blame myself, I just happened to be born with a set of risk taking addictive genetics, and MOST teens don't get a handle on that right away, sometimes not even at ALL. I'm actually glad I could pick myself up and scrape off the road rash in my early twenties, but my most PERNICIOUS addiction, smoking took me until 41 to address.

I genuinely and truly wish that any child considering smoking would vape instead. I let my child vape underage because he was already SMOKING, I also limited it to certain places and told him he would be severely punished for bringing it somewhere that would come back on me. He vaped steadily until he QUIT vaping and is now really struggling with the cigarette issue in a way he never did before. I wish he had stuck with vaping, and really, I think it's better for teens to experiment with vaping not smoking and YOU KNOW WHAT I REALLY THINK many of you would be singing a different tune if the teen issues had not been CHOSEN by Gottleib. MANY of us smoked as teens, NO QUESTIONS asked.

If I blame anyone, I blame the media, I blame the schools, who are educating with propaganda but above ALL I blame politicians and interest groups and etc. etc. ect.

There used to be a time where families had sanctity in our culture. They stayed near each other, they were not torn up into the "nuclear" family that has become so useful to "society." Teens got in less trouble and when they did, it was parents talking to parents, not cops locking up kids and condemning the child or family, or using the kid to wave a flag of "what must happen so WE can make money."

Society, families and children have changed so much because this is what people in POWER want them to be.

I was lucky with my kid, I had lots of home time, I was near my nuclear family to help, and I possessed resources I NEEDED to raise a great kid (who is dealing with HIS impulsivity and addictive tendencies even SOONER than I did.)

That was HARD WORK. It meant being a detective, weighing choices, paying family I trusted to care for him when I was unavailable. He was NEVER a latch key kid. I would go into schools, routinely, AND CALL THEM ON THEIR BS, EVERY LAST TIME.. I did not back down, I did not shut up, and administrators HATED and feared me as often as they found me agreeable (although it was OFTEN not all the time). I taught my son he was every bit as important, worthwhile and independent in thought and behavior as the adults surrounding hima and that provided he was within the realm of general politeness, he had that RIGHT. He attended meetings with administrators by MY choice and heard what I said. He was ALLOWED TO BE HUMAN.

This is not how many children are treated today, and I am here to say that it was like a second job at all times, all the time. I regret NOTHING because I know my kiddo with his genetics and intelligence, would have been a train wreck with the wrong set of parents. Do not think I was always kind, loving, etc. he got as many consequences as he deserved, along with SUPPORT on the way.

But schools SUCK you'd be shocked at HOW FEW (and how much I TREASURED those teachers, frankly) teachers can combine effective classroom rule with allowing children to be individuals. Who will ADMIT when I came trotting in with some bit of homework that was pretty much propaganda and said, "You need to fix this." and some of them DID even if it had to be over recess.

Blaming kids and families is NOT OKAY. They aren't the ones with power, money etc . THE INSTITUTIONS that surround us are holding up the TEENS for us to condemn. They want US, the adults the voters, to play along with their puppet show of BLAMING the most vulnerable among us, THE YOUTH and the FAMILIES struggling to keep up.

DO not give them what they want. Do not be fooled. Do not blame a teen for Juuling and even a parent that allows it. YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY and ONLY what Gottleib wants.

HE is the problem not teens being teens while their families try to cope. And if you are a family "doing well" kindly remember that all families are not as "fortunate" as you. Because I was for sure FILLED with luck, help, and sanity.

My kid's a libertarian except when he gets sucked into some political madness. I'm proud of that, because I did not tell him to, teach him to, etc. I merely set his autodidact brain in the direction of "Try to find out what politics REALLY IS."

He knows. Because he CHOSE to find out.

Don't be the sheep, be the wolf in sheep's clothing don't blame a single teen blame GOTTLIEB and his staff.

Don't.

Don't.
Anna
Saturday the banks get to celebrate10 years of nobody going to jail. Lehman failed...and the funny thing is our debt issues are higher now. Buybuybuy. Support your local banker!
 
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