One Week of Dual Use

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I have just finished my first week of vaping with a v2 ex e cigarette. I have managed to cut down from 30 to 9/10 cigarettes a day. Reducing from there is going to be a struggle. The cartridges that came with the device are tobacco flavor at 1.8 strength. I have just ordered more at the 2.4 strength. I will need to start looking for a better device if upping the nicotine doesn't do the trick. Any ideas on where to start my search would be appreciated.

One weird thing about vaping for me is I don't know when to stop. With a cigarette there is no problem since they burn down. Are there any measurements as to how roughly how many puffs = one cigarette - whoops, I mean analog?

Do most who are trying to quit dual use for a while?
 

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Well it is not an exact science, but 1.8% is 18mg and 2.4% is 24mg. Here is also a link (old) that kind of tries to calculate the number of hits it would take to equal one analog...

How many "hits" equal smoking a cigarette?

This is not an exact science, but it is ballpark enough for you to get some sort of idea.
 

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Hello and welcom to the forum! I started like you with a cigalike last year i liked it but the carts cost a lot. Then a few weeks ago i thought about trying it again and did a search to see if the carts could be refilled and yes they could woohoo! So i got some juice and havnt looked back. I know esactly what you mean about not knowing when to stop. With a stinky it is easy set fire to it and stop when its gone, but you can vape all day and night. I find that using eliquid i am more effected by the nicotine and it slightly constricts the veins in my neck so when i start to get that feeling i stop.
when i got my first mod i dual used for about 4 days then as soon as i noticed i was feeling better i just stopped. The weird thing is i wasnt meaning to stop smoking i just wanted to smoke inside. I still have cravings for a smoke but i think i always will..
As to what mod to get i think the best thing to do is research and then research more! Search the forum and read reviews and watch videos (watch out some of those reviewers are trash) Work out what style of vaping you want is it direct to lung like sub ohm or mtl mouth to lung. Dont start with a whizz bang expensive whistles and bells mod just find something simple that will work and good luck with the quitting smoking!

EDIT One more thing also when you do choose a mod find out how much the attomisers cost and how long they will last. I was lucky i got a nice cheapish mod and the replacments dont cost to much and last a few weeks each.
 
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Do most who are trying to quit dual use for a while?

Some do, some don't. There's really no one-size-fits-all approach to quitting (or switching).

Some people never dual use. Some just pick up a vape and never want another cig. Others desperately want a cigarette, but power through the cravings with the vape.

It's the same for dual users. Some dual use for a few weeks as the cigarettes drop off and eventually get to the point where they say "Hmm, let's see what happens if I don't buy another pack right away." That was four years ago for me, and I've never got around to picking up my next pack.

Others dual use for weeks or months until they realize that quitting isn't going to happen (for them) naturally. Then they have to make a choice. Some go cold turkey at that point, while others set a schedule for cutting down.

It's really about finding what works for you. If it gets you off the cigarettes, it's the right approach. One important thing to remember is not to give up if you slip up. If things don't go as planned, just try again.

As far as looking for another setup goes, the first thing to decide is whether you want to continue with MTL (mouth-to-lung, which I believe the V2 is) or switch to DTL (direct-to-lung). Do you have any friends with a different setup they'd let you try out?
 

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Ik keep hearing pods aren't very good at helping people quit. Ofc if it works for you then more power to ya ! Speaking of which, Congrats on your first week into vaping :D I've managed to quit by dual using too, didn't smoke 10 of em per day only 1 though with my morning coffee. There's no right or wrong approach like Hawise said, although if these pods system don't help you enough maybe it's time to consider a better setup ? (ie mods and tank we all enjoy using). I do dtl with a sub 0hm setup for my own satisfaction dosen't mean it's for everyone though, i've started just like you with a mtl setup but didn't felt it made enough vapor so that's why i upgraded but managed to dip down my nicotine usage. (from 15 to 6 now 3 but might go back to 6 since it's more comfy to me)
 

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I dual used as well. What got me not buy that next pack was switching to sub ohm. I switched with 30w Eleaf istick & Kanger Submini. I don't have any experience with newer starter kits, so can't help there. Kanger was great, I could mtl & dtl, very good crossover tank.
 

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I dual used as well. What got me not buy that next pack was switching to sub ohm. I switched with 30w Eleaf istick & Kanger Submini. I don't have any experience with newer starter kits, so can't help there. Kanger was great, I could mtl & dtl, very good crossover tank.
I still do restricted dtl with my nautilus :p everything can work but i managed to not buy cigs because i had a higher nicotine dose (15mg seems for me to have worked with nothing else) After a month though i was getting what i call "vapor cravings" so i chain vaped my nautilus to get more vapor while doing restricted lung hits. Harsh but that's how i got initiated into sub 0hm ahah :p
 

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Your post has perfectly described the struggles that people like you and I go through to transition. As a newbie I understand exactly what you are feeling. My wife and I decided to vape on July 4 after talking to a vaping couple at a community fest. We went to a vape store that had only Eleaf starter kits. He sold us the I care 160's and we got 50/50 vg/pg with tobacco flavor. It did not work well. With the 50/50 the 160 spits and gurgles, and you frequently get juice in your mouth. On July 7 we tried another vape shop and bought the Aspire Breezes. We also bought some flavored juices. This helped a lot. We immediately went from a pack a day each to 10. However we soon realized the Breeze has too short of a battery life and small juice capacity to be a dependable all day device. I realized right away that to do this we would have to find a device and follow the same daily routine that replicates our smoking life. Luckily I follow Phil Busardos site and saw his hour long review on the Innokin Endura T18. Anyone who is struggling please watch this video. It changed our lives. I ordered a T22 for me and a T18 for my wife. These devices replicate EXACTLY the MTL style of smoking that we were used to. I went down to one or two a day and my wife to about 7.

I now ordered another T22 for me, and plan to rotate them every other day, with the Breeze as a backup and also if we go somewhere that I want to be more stealth. My wife uses the T18 with the Breeze as a backup. As of today, I am still at one a day and she is still at about 7. I have to take a potty break, but will return in a minute with some important tips for you as a fellow newbie.
 

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I have just finished my first week of vaping with a v2 ex e cigarette. I have managed to cut down from 30 to 9/10 cigarettes a day. Reducing from there is going to be a struggle. The cartridges that came with the device are tobacco flavor at 1.8 strength. I have just ordered more at the 2.4 strength. I will need to start looking for a better device if upping the nicotine doesn't do the trick. Any ideas on where to start my search would be appreciated.

One weird thing about vaping for me is I don't know when to stop. With a cigarette there is no problem since they burn down. Are there any measurements as to how roughly how many puffs = one cigarette - whoops, I mean analog?

Do most who are trying to quit dual use for a while?
Keep At It...!!!...I did both for about 2 years...I was eventually down to 1 per day in the last week and the most important thought I continue to remember is...Just How Much I Dis-Liked Those Last Few Smokes...And I used Cartridges as well but switched to a Re-Fillable...Better Vape / Satisfaction and at 18mg strength...In addition the cost of Juice + Clearomizer is about 1/3 of Cartridges...You can get a Re-Fillable Clearomizer for the v2 and quite frankly...For it's size and power...They work pretty darned well...

I use a ce4 Clearomizer...Innokin i16 or Kanger...With a "510" eGo Type Battery which works just fine for now...I switched to that about 2 months ago and they're AOK...But on the "Low End" of what's available...Just don't make the mistake of buying Super Cheap Clearomizers...They leak horribly and taste even worse...Trig :D
 

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I have just finished my first week of vaping with a v2 ex e cigarette. I have managed to cut down from 30 to 9/10 cigarettes a day. Reducing from there is going to be a struggle. The cartridges that came with the device are tobacco flavor at 1.8 strength. I have just ordered more at the 2.4 strength. I will need to start looking for a better device if upping the nicotine doesn't do the trick. Any ideas on where to start my search would be appreciated.

One weird thing about vaping for me is I don't know when to stop. With a cigarette there is no problem since they burn down. Are there any measurements as to how roughly how many puffs = one cigarette - whoops, I mean analog?

Do most who are trying to quit dual use for a while?
I'm in almost the same situation that you are with quiting dual use.
2 pack a day habit that I cut in half withing the first month of vaping, then I got stuck in that routine. Just now realizing it isn't just nicotine that is the addiction. It's all the little habits/relationships we've gotten addicted to with smoking. So many cigs smoked or just burning away while held in your mouth/hand has created a addiction of it's own.

Here's my thoughts and what I been doing now and I;m seeing results, I'm down to about 1 pack every 2 days. (approx , 10 a day)
You need to find a device that you can establish a hand/mouth relationship with. One that feels comfortable in your hand , one that you can carry around while doing everything (or pocket easily) I'm holding mine right now as typing.
Find a mini mod or whatever feels really good in your hand. I found myself waking up the other day and the first thing I grabbed for was my device , not a cigerette. It's starting to become a unconscience action or thought now , the same as it was to grab for a smoke.
I'm just weighing in on what I have been trying and may not be helpful to anyone else.

I do have a larger Mod that I just never got comfortable with ,it performs great, it's nice looking device but it's clumsy to carry around , doesn't travel well and I just never really feel like holding it much.
much luck with your progress
 

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Congrats on getting to reduced analogues, that's fantastic. I think trying the 24 nic might help, if you are still craving cigs a great deal, and certainly, it's time to find a setup that may be more customizable/less expensive. To start, if you like the way your cartridges feel/vape in your hand, then you are looking at a preference (perhaps) for MTL vaping, meaning a smaller, lighter refillable device (they can put a lot of power, bells and whistles into those these days) that has an internal battery that you can charge via USB. The *least* expensive way to determine if you prefer sub-ohm (meaning low resistant coils), versus smaller, refillable high-ohm devices would be to buy a mod capable of running both (and determine if you want an internal or external battery mod, though most sub-ohmers do use rechargeable batteries on higher power devices, mainly for flexibility and/or to vape all day without changing the batteries. There are lots of good options out there, just make sure you check @Mooch's blog about battery safety/chargers, etc. It's best to order those directly from reputable suppliers.

Then, you can select a sub-ohm tank and a MTL tank (I'd personally recommend the Nautilus 2, as it has variable coils, down to 0.7 which is technically subohming, though I vape that coil MTL with the right wattage and airflow settings, but coils go up to 1.8 which is a much tighter draw. The coils are inexpensive and easy to use. As far as a sub-ohm tank, there are tons of options but I don't enjoy subohm very much, too many clouds for me, so I can't give you an exact recommendation. But doing things that way would give you some flexibility and options, unless you have a friend who can let you borrow their gear or something, to get a feel for it. That said, keep your cartos around, some people *just* prefer them, you may be one of them....

As far as counting cigs, it was mentioned on here while dual using, to count the ones you *don't* smoke. It certainly is more positive, starting out. Also, vaping.... a lot of it is going to depend on you. I dual used intermittently and sporadically for a fair amount of time (my initial motivation was to cut back/be outside less) but until I took my quit seriously *this* time, I don't think I would have made much headway. Finding this site helped a lot, and the other thing that worked for me was "WTA" juice, which has some of the alkaloid/MAOI substances found in tobacco that are missing from a pure nic vape.... It's not cheap, but it was helpful. I'd vape and hit a point at around 3 p.m. where I wanted to chew through steel.... It wasn't pleasant, and I did not do very well during my evening times. With the WTA I started with putting *tiny* squirts of it in my tank, then set up a separate tank with some WTA in it I can use in times of frenzy/stress.... Like, if I went to a concert or something, I would definitely pack that tank. I'm mostly phasing it out though, as vaping has become "stickier," for me.

Also, I never stopped vaping this time.... Even if I smoked, I would force myself to vape right before and right afterward, to reinforce that smoking was gross, and I did not need it. I rewarded myself for milestones, like the first non-smoking day I bought craft supplies and I'm making a blanket (keeps hands busy during meetings, etc., too), when I could sing again (I was pretty ill when I landed here) I got a guitar and my brother the musician is giving me weekly skyping lessons and I'm having a great time with it, as is he (he's on his first week cold turkey off analogues, incidentally, which I find amusing.... All my male relatives seem to disdain da Vape, and want to suffer) but the point is, after using cigs as my "reward" for so long, I literally did not know how to reward myself and had to sit down and make a list.... :) And I also had to forget about Every Other quit attempt I made, and focus solely on this one... .Had I counted all my failed attempts, I would have failed... Miserably. So I kept in mind the mantra that "every quit is different" and just kept going with that.... The cigs faded out over time, and I almost fell down in surprise during my first cigarette free day.

With that being said, you do NOT have to put a time table on quitting just yet (or ever) if you don't want to. It really depends on your goals and motivation, I really know myself and that if I smoke even very few cigarettes, there will be a time that one "hooks" me, and that's usually how I start back up. I remind myself when I have cravings of how it was when I was so ill, then quitting analogues on top of it, and yes I do still get the occasional craving, but they aren't bad, and they do pass if I vape, ignore, vape, etc.

Best of luck, I think you will be able to quit if you desire, though I understand that feeling of "those last few cigarettes" are so precious, difficult. :) That's why I really didn't try a schedule of reduction, by the time I am down to 1 or 2 cigarettes a day (via whatever method of quitting) I usually want to marry them or at least bronze them and place them on my mantelpiece.... That's why I had to quit-quit I saw vaping was largely working and THIS was my opportunity, and it's working :) So, I'm sure you'll hit your own opportunity moment when it comes but just Don't Stop Vaping and that day will arrive. Everyone's different though, so just focus for now on figuring out what situations/needs/wants make you want to smoke, and how you can manage/deal with them over time, there is no Gigantic Rush or Vape trophy (though you may collect some here, LOL) that you'll get for quitting over a 1 week period vs a 1 month period, as long as you get to the point where vaping can work for you.

Best of luck, it will happen.... :)

Anna
 

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    As has been mentioned, some people dual use for a long time. My girlfriend was a dual user for 2 years before quitting smoking completely. I myself am approaching the 2 year mark, and have decided I'm never going to guit unless I make myself quit.

    If you feel like you need some extra support, here is a link to a thread that I just discovered myself, aimed specifically at those of us who still smoke.

    Still smoking support and chat thread
     

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    Ok, back. Let's discuss my mindset going through this in the beginning. Guilt because I smoked. Frustration trying to find the right set up. Anger that I was spending money on stuff that didn't work. Self doubt because my wife and I still smoked.
    The first victory was finding the T18 and T22. The second, and more importantly was finding the right vape shop. One with knowledgeable employees who are genuinely concerned with helping people to stop smoking.
    I found that shop. I vented my frustrations to him and we had a long talk. Here's what he told me.
    First, RELAX. Let this process evolve naturally This is not a race, a contest, or a new stress to add to your life. It is a conscious choice to improve your everyday life. Don't think negative, think positive. Instead of counting how many you smoked, count how many you didn't smoke. Every cig you don't smoke is a victory.
    Every person is different and follows a different schedule. Don't try to be someone else, follow your own pace and reactions. Don't beat yourself up if you smoke a few cigs. Who cares? He told me it's great if I quit completely, but if for the next year I smoked a cig a day, that's 19 a day I didn't smoke.
    Try to replicate your habits when you smoked so it seems more natural. My garage was our smoking den. So now, every time we want a cig, we still go in the garage with our IPads and turn the tv on, but we vape instead of smoking. In the car when we get the urge we try to vape instead of smoking. After a meal we vape instead of smoking. Follow your exact smoking routine, substituting vaping for a cig. And if you have to have a cig, have one. So what? My cig is always with morning coffee. Maybe some day it will be morning coffee and vape. If not, I'm not going to beat myself up all day.

    In conclusion, relax, do a lot of research before you run out and buy stuff. Always think positive. For any newbie, I would look for dedicated mtl devices with coils above 1 ohm. The more basic units are best for newbies. You're having enuf trouble trying to quit. You don't need mods with all sorts of variables yet. And let the process flow naturally.
    Finally, camp out on this forum. It is a life saver.
     

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    Are there any measurements as to how roughly how many puffs = one cigarette - whoops, I mean analog?

    Do most who are trying to quit dual use for a while?

    There are some data on vape vs smoking comparison but it's not definitive.

    This is dated, but a not bad start.

    No, one carto is N O T equivalent to a pack of cigarettes

    A lot of people dual use for a while. I did. The thing for me was that as long as I bought cigarettes, I smoked them.

    It's easier not to smoke when you don't have any smokes. It's easier still when you have your e-cig as a replacement. And vaping to the point where you forget about wanting to smoke... yeah, baby.
     

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    @stols001 Again nicely done and said :thumbs: i'll add the fact though that to test dtl and sub 0hming the nautilus 2 with a .7 coil can do "restricted" lung hit just like my original nautilius does. Sure it's not exactly the same but gives you a pretty good idea of what it's like to have bigger clouds and stuff. Like you said it's not for everyone though, i use both a dtl and mtl setups i just found that sub 0hms and bigger clouds felt more satisfying to me but again like you said you don't like bigger clouds and it's totally cool ! If i may i'll just add this

    Mtl:better suited for new vapers, mimics the most the action of smoking with a coil above 1 0hm
    dtl:makes more clouds more flavor (not always but 9/10 times) but the downfall is you use ALOT more juice than a mtl setup. Depending on your smoking habits it can be pricier or cheaper.

    Btw @redeuce for the morning coffee thing i had the same issue :p i found a nice vanilla flavor when i first started to help with that since well.... fruit and coffee don't mix quite well XD
     

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    The refillable cartridges for V2 EX work well but their small size means you'll be filling them a lot. I'm looking for a mini device that I can easily fit in my pocket and only have to fill once a day. I'm a little over 3 weeks without a cig and feel much better already.

    From this forum, you discover that there are lots of ways to switch. Duel use is better than strictly tobacco and many find the transition occurs without much trouble. I'm extremely grateful to hear success stories and wish you the best
     

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    Do most who are trying to quit dual use for a while?

    I did.

    I kept Ramping-Down on Cigarettes while Ramping-Up e-Cigarettes. I also used 2 Set-Ups. One set-up had my Day-2-Day nicotine strength in it. The other had a Higher mg/ml nicotine level.

    I used the 2nd one for when the Cravings got Bad. And to get over "Hurdle Cigarettes". Like the Cigarette I would always have when I got in my car. Or at Breaks at work.

    You Really have to have a Backup for your Day-2-Day e-Cigarette. So you might trying putting it to Good Use with some Higher Nicotine in it.

    Going from a Pack and a Half to 9 or 10 Cigarettes in a week is Great. Drink a lot of Water. Eat Good and try to get a little Extra Exercise than you Normally do.
     

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    The refillable cartridges for V2 EX work well but their small size means you'll be filling them a lot. I'm looking for a mini device that I can easily fit in my pocket and only have to fill once a day. I'm a little over 3 weeks without a cig and feel much better already.

    From this forum, you discover that there are lots of ways to switch. Duel use is better than strictly tobacco and many find the transition occurs without much trouble. I'm extremely grateful to hear success stories and wish you the best
    If by mini devices you mean an all in one solution i think there's a section in the forums that talks specificly about those products if you want good recomendations. If you don't mind having a mod+tank (which always fitted in my pockets) i won't make a suggestion for the mod since it's subjective but i do love me nautilus/nautilus 2. First one had a 5ml capacity which lasted me pretty much an entire day for mtl hits. I use an aspire evo75 for mod atm since it's compact for it's size has replaceable batteries and made very sturdy (basically all metal).

    We also wish everyone success in their switching wether they dual use or go cold turkey,dosen't matter we love every single vaper here :D
     
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    I started with a T18 and it is a really great little device got me off the cigs very easily. A friend gave me their old mod a few days ago so now i use the T18 tank on an arc 4 mod. Now i have a great little mod with a long battery life and i can save so much money and just buy new tanks for when i feel like changing how i vape. it might be hard to find what mod i use as i have it its called the arc 4 by curve but i think several different companys make the same mod ileaf i think does the same thing, anyhoo it is really good and very easy to use.
     
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