Opinions on convincing loved ones to take up vaping

[Satharra]

All righty, I saw in another thread that both Pope and I are experiencing very similar situations with our spouses. I PM'd Pope to see if he'd mind if I started a post and he gave me the ok.

My background:
Started vaping a few weeks ago. Husband continues to smoke cigarettes. I was going outside with him (mostly to chat with him) and having 1-2 a day the first week but have since stopped smoking and am only vaping. He's been impressed that I was able to quit the cigs so easily but is a bit leery of the e-cig.

I have had him try it with various flavors to see if he liked it. He ends up coughing a ton and then doesn't want to mess with it again. I've got some very, very low nic and no nic on order to see if this helps. I will say that I coughed quite a bit my first day but haven't had any trouble since.

In our conversations about quitting, he seems to think he's going to cut back (he is down to a PAD from 2 PADs) and eventually stop cold turkey. I've asked him if he's ever tried to quit cold turkey in the past and the longest he's been without a cigarette since he was 15 was 24 hours. He is interested in quitting though so that's a good start. He's also starting to show some classic signs of emphysema - namely the barrel chest - which are really concerning. Chantix is out of the question for him as he already has some pretty nasty anxiety issues. I don't need him developing any other mental issues. To be honest, him quitting cold turkey could really mess up his current balance too.

So, what ideas do you have for me to help him take up e-cigs. I don't want to hound him as he's stubborn (you have to be to stay married to me ) and it'll just get his back up. I just want him to engage the e-cig and have it be more pleasant than his previous experiences hacking up a lung.

 

[Blaze]

IMO, the best way is to simply hand them the PV and tell them it's theirs to do with whatever they wish. That way, the "burden" of use is placed on them, and they can decide at their leisure whether or not to take up vaping, and you don't have to look like your "nagging" them (ask my mother about this one LOL )

 

[keyzygirl]

I dont think it works for people when you force it on them.I think they have to be interested and want to do it.

 

[Satharra]

I dont think it works for people when you force it on them.I think they have to be interested and want to do it.

Oh, trust me, I wouldn't force him. That'd be about as effective as, well, forcing me to do something. I wouldn't do it and I'd do everything possible to subvert it.

The piece is he is interested in quitting. He was interested in the e-cig until he coughed like mad on his first attempts with it. Now he's talking going cold turkey. I'm half tempted to let him do it but I want to make sure that I'm out of town and the dogs are safely boarded in a kennel before that attempt takes place.

 

[Sallana]

Without reading too much, because I'm lazy, I'll just quickly explain my experience.

You can't force them, there's really no way to convince someone to make the switch. Either they will or they won't. I've tried to turn 4 people and was successful with only 3.

Lindsay - My best friend was really really against the idea of electronic cigarettes. She was worried about getting juice in her mouth or getting sick from it, and just in general liked smoking. I let her use my e-cigarette but I didn't really force it upon her, or say stuff like "you should really try to quit with this" or anything like that. I let her come to the conclusion that she'd like to try it herself, as soon as she showed any amount of interest, I ran to PIF and collected stuff to get her a kit. She was here for about a week and a half and smoked a total of 10 cigarettes during that time. She really likes it, and I'm pretty sure she'll be able to quit.

My husband - Thought e-cigarettes were really "gay" when I first started using them. He just sort of thought they were a novelty item and not really something one could quit with. Unfortunately when I lost my will power and went back to smoking this did nothing to disprove his theory. Eventually I worked my way back to the e-cig and quit for a good month. At that point, he admitted it was worth a shot. He successfully has been smoke free for two months now, and is severely impressed.

My Dad - After seeing Lindsay, Sam, and myself quit using these my dad was really interested so I got together a little starter kit for him. He spends a lot of time at the computer so SpiritAir lovingly donated a passthrough to him which he loves to death. My dad smoked for 35 years and was able to quit (albeit it was a bumpy ride for him) using them.

My dads Boyfriend - He looks at e-cigarettes like really foreign devices that are scary. I have so far been entirely unable to get him to use them. He simply has no interest. I have let him try several PV's, and many, many juices that I was sure he would like but still no go.

Moral? Some people are simply stubborn and will not convert. Some people are stubborn but just need to see success in action, and some people are ready and willing. Give it a while for your spouse, don't push it. Let him see how successful you are with it, when he notices how easily you quit and how much you like it, he will become interested and start sniffing around. THAT is when you attack

 

[DemonCowboy]

what model are u having him use? if he's hacking because it feels hot against his throat and tastes burnt (as i thought using a friend's 510) then have him use a cooler model atty. a 901 is what i use but for a good smoking direct inhaling draw i've since gotten an 801 - might want to look into those for him as the 801 has a cool draw to it and the 901 is still a cooler draw than the 510

 

[Lilacs212too]

I would agree that handing them one and letting them play around with it, with no one looking over their shoulder, might ease some tensions about it. I had ordered mine from a suggestion of a friend of my husbands, and did well with it.. then he came over one day and handed me his to try and I was all thumbs, nervous like I was under a microscope.

I haven't run into the same things, only because family that smokes is really far away, but I do intend to stick a 510 in my mothers mouth next week when she visits. She is no longer welcome to smoke in the garage here, and will have to stand outside (VA is HOT compared to CT where she's coming from ) and I won't be waiting for her to smoke after getting out of the car and going into stores.. I am like the dreaded ex smoker.. they stink! You don't need that crap! Meanwhile, I will be vaping some delicious juices while she's out there sweating, and later when the state bird (skeeters!) come out. I also won't be making a special stop at stores to find the cheapest carton of cigarettes for her to bring home.. Blech!!

 

[Lilacs212too]

what model are u having him use? if he's hacking because it feels hot against his throat and tastes burnt (as i thought using a friend's 510) then have him use a cooler model atty. a 901 is what i use but for a good smoking direct inhaling draw i've since gotten an 801 - might want to look into those for him as the 801 has a cool draw to it and the 901 is still a cooler draw than the 510

Agreed! I also wonder what method of inhaling he's using (there's a thread around here somewhere on that) I tried direct inhaling after reading a thread on it the other day and still have a sore throat

 

[Sylvie]

"He ends up coughing a ton and then doesn't want to mess with it again."

Same problem over here no matter what equipment, flavors, or nic levels I have him try, he still coughs or chokes.. The only thing I haven't tried was getting an auto battery to see if that maybe helps but, he is at point were he refuses to try anymore so haven't wasted money to buy one to see if that would help. Mine takes deep inhales when he smokes (can almost here a whistle sound when he does it lol), I was thinking maybe the auto taking a couple seconds to heat up when you inhale would help with the coughing.. Has yours tried vaping with autos yet??

 

[DemonCowboy]

Agreed! I also wonder what method of inhaling he's using (there's a thread around here somewhere on that) I tried direct inhaling after reading a thread on it the other day and still have a sore throat

i suggested those other 2 because i DO direct inhale still - throat hit isn't enough for me - i like the hit in the top of the chest i always got smoking. but i've learned i have to stay away from certain flavors such as hot cinnamon flavors and since i didn't like menthol any mint flavor that produces the same "coolness"

 

[Satharra]

All righty, my scientific brain kicked in and I thought about how he inhales a normal cigarette. He basically takes a puff, holds it in his mouth, and then inhales. I've seen him French inhale on occasion and he used to be quite good at smoke rings - can do them better with a cigar.

With the e-cig, he did a direct inhale. Yeah, I don't know what he was thinking. The second time, I had him do the slow 4 second draw, hold it, and then inhale. Haven't been able to get him to try it a third time.

I realized, after that second time, that my first few times I couldn't do the 4 second draw at all. I just couldn't handle that much vapor. So I did little puffs and built up. That's what I think he may have to do too.

Oh, and I had his age wrong on the starting the cigs. He informed via phone that he had his first cigarette at 10 and was up to 1/2 to 1 PAD at 12. So at least 25 years smoking. He's a camel light smoker.

As for the model being used, he tried on the KR808 base model. My elegant (also KR808) has a much easier draw but I'm not sure if that's going to help him. From what I've read, the 808's tend to have more TH than others. Maybe that's the problem?

 

[Satharra]

"He ends up coughing a ton and then doesn't want to mess with it again."

Same problem over here no matter what equipment, flavors, or nic levels I have him try, he still coughs or chokes.. The only thing I haven't tried was getting an auto battery to see if that maybe helps but, he is at point were he refuses to try anymore so haven't wasted money to buy one to see if that would help. Mine takes deep inhales when he smokes (can almost here a whistle sound when he does it lol), I was thinking maybe the auto taking a couple seconds to heat up when you inhale would help with the coughing.. Has yours tried vaping with autos yet??

No, no autos here. I'm hesitant to buy one too since I just don't know that it's going to fix this issue.

 

[DemonCowboy]

All righty, my scientific brain kicked in and I thought about how he inhales a normal cigarette. He basically takes a puff, holds it in his mouth, and then inhales. I've seen him French inhale on occasion and he used to be quite good at smoke rings - can do them better with a cigar.

With the e-cig, he did a direct inhale. Yeah, I don't know what he was thinking. The second time, I had him do the slow 4 second draw, hold it, and then inhale. Haven't been able to get him to try it a third time.

I realized, after that second time, that my first few times I couldn't do the 4 second draw at all. I just couldn't handle that much vapor. So I did little puffs and built up. That's what I think he may have to do too.

Oh, and I had his age wrong on the starting the cigs. He informed via phone that he had his first cigarette at 10 and was up to 1/2 to 1 PAD at 12. So at least 25 years smoking. He's a camel light smoker.

As for the model being used, he tried on the KR808 base model. My elegant (also KR808) has a much easier draw but I'm not sure if that's going to help him. From what I've read, the 808's tend to have more TH than others. Maybe that's the problem?

could be, a 901 atty will work on an 808 batt (but a 901 batt doesn't have the holes behind the threads so it doesn't work so well reverse w/o modification) get a 901 atty and see if that helps him because a 901 has less TH i think and a bit less vapor but u can taste the flavors better

 

[keyzygirl]

Definetly get a 901 atty for him to try on an 808 battery.Less TH might help.

 

[Gunjji]

Do what Blaze says... let him do it at his leisure... Put a 510 or whatever on the table with some juice labeled girly juice. He will be vaping in no time!

 

[Zenfrogs]

Have you ruled out a pg or vg allergy? When I was starting my mom out she had these coughing fits that were just awful. I kept reading that pg allergies aren't that common so I just assumed it was an inhaling issue. Anyway I tried some vg only and she was fine. She was seriously ready to quit the whole thing because of the coughing spasms. Even a bit of pg in her juice and the fits start. So make sure you investigate the allergy possibility. Good luck!


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[Satharra]

Have you ruled out a pg or vg allergy? When I was starting my mom out she had these coughing fits that were just awful. I kept reading that pg allergies aren't that common so I just assumed it was an inhaling issue. Anyway I tried some vg only and she was fine. She was seriously ready to quit the whole thing because of the coughing spasms. Even a bit of pg in her juice and the fits start. So make sure you investigate the allergy possibility. Good luck!


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I actually did try with a pure VG so that one is ruled out.

 

[Satharra]

could be, a 901 atty will work on an 808 batt (but a 901 batt doesn't have the holes behind the threads so it doesn't work so well reverse w/o modification) get a 901 atty and see if that helps him because a 901 has less TH i think and a bit less vapor but u can taste the flavors better

This might end up being a doable idea. Thanks to you and Keyzygirl. I'll think this one over. I think I want to find some really great 0 nic juices first though. Hopefully I'm able to get a hold of some of the TV juices from a doubler. Have a PM in with a nice lady and right now I'm the first in line to get them.

I've also got two of his favorites coming - butter rum and butterscotch. Let's hope they make all kind of good smells when I vape them!

 

[mini_art]

Every single person I have given a kr808 to with a carto caughs.
Give him a 901. for some reason the carto seems to do that. They still make me cough sometimes.
thats my for what its worth

 

[DemonCowboy]

if i had an extra 901 atty i'd even send u 1 but i've got the 1 i'm using and 1 i think might b on it's way out and i wouldn't do that to somebody.