Order of flavour you taste

[syco26]

Hello all. I have been lurking for a few weeks doing a great deal of reading trying to get my head around the whole DIY of ejuice. As I have been smoke free now for 79 days vaping has well and truely taken hold and I absolutely love it and can't see myself smoking ever again.

I have made some of my own flavour concentrates, tobacco, coffee, rum and Vanilla, while waiting for my first batch or concentrates to arrive. Made some nice juices with these however they tasted cheap compared to some of the store purchased juices I had been vaping.

Since my flavours have arrived I have made juices following recipes and all have turned out well and the clones I have tried are so much cheaper than purchasing premade juice. Following recipes is great however I am very keen to make some juices I am dreaming of but have one question that I am not sure there is an answer for.

How do you know what the order of flavours you taste will be? Is there a way? For example I am vaping a Vanilla, Bananna and Cinnamon juice at the moment which I really enjoy. On the inhale it is Vanilla and exhale is Bananna with a Cinnamon after taste left in the mouth.

Is there a way to mix the juice so the flavour you are using are tasted in the order you want? Is there a way to mix the juice so the flavours are switch around, eg. Inhale cinnamon, exhale vanilla, lasting taste Bananna.

Thanks in advance and thanks for the brilliant resource for a new DIY'er like myself.

 

[JCinFLA]

I can't answer the question you ask about flavor order, but I'll be interested to read the answers you do get. I'd suspect it has something to do with the % of each flavor though, since 1 flavor is your primary, another is a secondary, and a third and beyond are usually the accents.

In any event, I also wanted to post to just say congratulations on reaching 79 days smoke-free, and thinking now that you're done with them forever. That's a giant step reaching both points!

 

[JD1]

Congratulations on your 79 and counting smoke free days and welcome to the mad scientist world of DIY.

As for your question, I can only speak for myself and tell you that my only way of finding out how things will taste and in what order is by trying them. I think that might be true for most folks, and the reason for the sound advise of keeping good notes on everything you try.

 

[dannyv45]

How do you know what the order of flavours you taste will be? Is there a way? For example I am vaping a Vanilla, Bananna and Cinnamon juice at the moment which I really enjoy. On the inhale it is Vanilla and exhale is Bananna with a Cinnamon after taste left in the mouth.

Is there a way to mix the juice so the flavour you are using are tasted in the order you want? Is there a way to mix the juice so the flavours are switch around, eg. Inhale cinnamon, exhale vanilla, lasting taste Bananna.

Thanks in advance and thanks for the brilliant resource for a new DIY'er like myself.

It's not so much the order of flavoring. It's more the amount of flavoring you use.

Base notes are the most dominent flavors in the mix requiringing a higher percetage
Accents are the minor or top note used to complement or accent the base note which would be a lesser percentage.

So in your case the vanilla would be the base or dominent flavor requiring the largest percentage of flavoring then the bananna would be a minor note but in percentage would still be higher then the Cinnamon. So a sample recipe may look something like this

vanilla 10%
Bananna 3 - 4%
Cinnamon 1%

 

[syco26]

Thanks for the replies. I guess I will just have to play with the percentages of flavours to see how they react. I would assume it isn't as easy as switching them around as too much of one and not enough of the other will mute or change the taste your after.

 

[syco26]

Another noob question. In your experience will the base flavour always be the flavour you taste first?

 

[SteveS45]

Welcome and enjoy your stay!

Only thing I can contribute here is if you want to be able to taste differences in flavoring or different flavors you must cleanse your palate. Now I would normally use lemon sorbet but for convenience I use lemon flavored water. Just a sip between different flavors. Many have said this enabled them to taste slight differences or rid their taste buds of a disgusting flavor while taste testing it worked for but YMMV.

 

[retired1]

Another noob question. In your experience will the base flavour always be the flavour you taste first?

Generally, yes. There may be exceptions depending on how many flavors are used in the mix and how they mesh together.

 

[syco26]

Thanks retired1. Guess the only way is to mix and vape. Record my findings then mix and vape again.

you must cleanse your palate. Now I would normally use lemon sorbet but for convenience I use lemon flavored water

Thanks Steve. Was wondering about that. Another question I had that is similar to the above is what do you all do about your hardware? Do you rewick after every taste? Do you have multiple setups the same so you can trial flavours side by side?

 

[SteveS45]

Thanks Steve. Was wondering about that. Another question I had that is similar to the above is what do you all do about your hardware? Do you rewick after every taste? Do you have multiple setups the same so you can trial flavours side by side?

Your Welcome!
I have found if you taste multiple flavors they all taste like the first one. After trying the cleansing of the palate I found a flavor I liked while testing took a sip of lemon water and tried another which sucked! Then I tasted the one I liked but it tasted just like the crappy one I had just tried. Then I took a sip and tried it again and it tasted good again. Simple little trick that works wonders for me and I hope it helps others!

 

[Dixie1954]

@syco26 if I am testing flavors/mixes then I run multiple setups. I tend to like "old school" vape gear best - even after trying some new/er gear. Some people use a dripper to test flavors/mixes, hopefully they will chime in.

 

[syco26]

I have two of the aspire altantis set ups I could use to compare juices however they are a pain to rebuild and costly if I was to keep replacing the coils for each flavour change. Maybe I could get by by washing the coils under running water and drying them?

The other option I have is to use my TFV4 and Zephyrus side by side however just the nature of the two tanks will sway flavour I feel.

Maybe my best option is to purchase two clone RDA's that are cheap just for the purpose of trialling juices and variations side by side. Thoughts?

 

[dannyv45]

Another noob question. In your experience will the base flavour always be the flavour you taste first?

Generally the highest percentage of flavoring is the dominent flavor tasted.

 

[dannyv45]

Thanks retired1. Guess the only way is to mix and vape. Record my findings then mix and vape again.

Exactly correct. And as mentioned earlier cleansing your pallet between tastings is highly recommended otherwise adjustments start all tasting the same (Taste bud burnout)

 

[dannyv45]

Maybe my best option is to purchase two clone RDA's that are cheap just for the purpose of trialling juices and variations side by side. Thoughts?

The best option is to use RDA's or 510 atties so your thinking is spot on.

 

[miteret]

I bought a cheap RDA to test flavors. I just pull the wick, dryburn and rewick for each flavor. Just takes a few minutes. I like the lemon water cleanse, I've been using scotch.

 

[mcclintock]

I think there is a difference of "persistence" between flavors that can cause a lot of grief, though maybe could work out too. For example cocanut or some fruit flavors really last, either you don't taste them at first or eventually they take over and become too strong. The only sure fix for that is drip different flavors and continuously adjust the mix on the fly. But when this is workable at least, with a mix of everything in one bottle, this shows how the final mixing for vapor use may be different than flavor formulation in general. The need for more of one flavor may indicate that one is less persistent. It's probably related to the effect you talk about.