Over complicating vaping

[drummerskey]

I understand the point of, "just save yourself some time and buy a mechanical mod" but I really think that is the right answer about 20% of the time. I have been vaping for a while now and I don't want a hobby or something to tinker with, I have enough hobbies and my spare time is valuable. I just don't want to smoke and I want the easiest and most effective way to do that.

Additionally, I think it can be dangerous. Suggestions to move to what I would call "advanced" gear right off the bat to someone who can't change a light bulb on their own is a recipe for disaster and one that could potentially affect all of us if someone gets hurt.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Believe it or not I still try to get newbs onto an 808 cig a like system. It worked for me on the first drag, at least initially. If and when that fails, we re assess and get more complicated. I consider my own vaping entirely newbie unfriendly and don't like the idea of overwhelming someone with all of the details...at least at first. Always start simple!

 

[TheWhiteWhale]

I agree that the sheer amount of available products, slang, and technical terms can make vaping seem like greek to most people. The best way I've found to get people into vaping is to simply have them actually try it. I carry around a basic ego-V pretty much constantly and if anyone is curious I just say, "here, try it," and let them take a hit off of it. That almost always results in interest. Then I'll usually explain that it is simply vapor as opposed to smoke and if they are genuinely interested I usually just tell them to go to a local vape shop (or online) and get an eGo starter kit.

This has lead to several of my friends and family switching to vaping exclusively. As the old saying goes, experience is the best teacher. The best way to get people in to vaping is to simply have them actually try it for themselves.

 

[BobVan]

One more person who started on 808s, here.
SO needed to quit smoking for medical reasons
and made that equipment choice.
I opted to be supportive...
and bought into the same system.
I will say that the utter simplicity of a cigalike
(as well as the familiarity of size and shape vs analog)
is extremely helpful to transition away from analogs.
I currently use straight ego batteries w/ a rebuildable CE or Vivi Nova.
The change was due to laziness, less time spent charging and filling carts,
which is to say that I GREW into a new choice of equipment
that I thought would better suit my needs.
(p.s. I have the skills and machines in my garage to build a mech-mod)

This site and it's members have been extremely helpful
in the daunting task of sorting through an amazing amount
of "new-to-me" information.
However, the inclination to solve every vaping problem
by simply throwing a pile of money
at the latest greatest biggest clouds of vapor devices
(because you have just bought one for yourself)
is, in fact, both intimidating for a new convert
and too often unnecessary.

 

[LEDBETTER122]

It really just depends on your "Mindset". If you going into it for the Sole purpose to quit smoking (Which is everyone initial intent), and you want nothing more, micro coils, nano coils and making your own liquid may seem to be "Too Much". For people like me who like to constantly tweak things and make things "That much better", it becomes more of a "Challenge" than just quiting smoking and becomes a Hobby.

To me its fun to make new coils and mix new flavors, but to others it’s too technical and a waste of time to mess with it. It all depends on the mindset of the person you’re trying to explain it to.

 

[FourWinds]

The op makes a good point. I try to turn down the evangelical volume when trying to convert others now.

I just tell them that all the myriad of doodads are the same: there's a battery, somewhere to keep the liquid, and a coil with a wick to channel and vaporize the stuff. I do tell them that peeps like to experiment with all three components, but essentially they're all the same. I stop there; best to leave them with a few questions on their minds I think.

I've only been on the wagon a month, but I already have 2 convert notches on my EVOD battery's black paint; yes I am going to keep count, as I feel good about myself if I can convert people.

 

[tj99959]

Guess I'm lucky because the eGo-T was the "complicated" device when I started, and the Provari & the Darwin were both trying to become the next big deal in vaping. Mechanicals were the tried & true advanced Pv's back then, and the GG wars were in full swing on all of the forums. (who in their right mind would pay $300 for a PV)

Cartridges had given way to cartomizers, and the only clearo around was the CE2. Dripping with a 901 atomizer was the best there was, but messy.

So making things complicated is nothing new, but it has sure led to some fantastic advancement in the way we vape.

 

[VapieDan]

I'm not usually one to start a debatable topic...However I just wanted to shed some light on how I initially felt when visiting the New Members Forum. I got overwhelmed by the amount of supplies or mods many posters insist that you "need" to buy to be ultimately happy with vaping. I think for some people that might actually steer them away from this forum or vaping. I know everyone means well and I've already learned so much, but really some people are perfectly happy with a simple set up. I have a friend that is going through $40 worth of those blu e cigs a week because she's stressed and smoking like crazy. I told her to get one like mine and I think I actually turned her off of it by going into too much detail and giving her an information over load! She said " Yeah, maybe, but it sounds complicated. These are easy" . Of course i said "no, its so easy!" But it was too late and i had already made it sound technical and daunting . Anyways, I currently have a halo Triton with a variable battery and I'm perfectly happy Thanks for reading and again , you all are super helpful, but figured it wouldn't hurt to mention that being helpful can sometimes be overwhelming . Just like what I did with my friend ( oops!).

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I agree. I was more advanced when I found the forum so I could sort through all this with a little experience. I can see when a newbie looking for a simple good vape is lost. There is not enough time spent here on cig-a-likes and Ego/Evod items and use. Usually once a new member gets out of the New Members Forum they can zoom in on some relevant assistance. It is nice if there is a good B&M store near a newbie. They can handle things and even try some items before purchase. Expert advise may be too much to ask since so many are out to sell sell SELL!

 

[JHurst]

Got Getting started with a Halo Triton. I tried the NJOY cig-a-like two years ago & hated it. Quickly went back to pack & a half a day nastiness. Recently tried an eGo & did a little research landing me on the Triton.

It's been enjoyable & I like to think it's helped me to retain my sanity. Being the Capt. on a busy Engine Company for the Fire Dept. can have you stressed day in day out.


After "getting into it" like the guys around here say I've done ( I have ) I'm doing a bit more research & finding myself wanting to try a mod. A Provari to be exact! These forums have been a double edged sword though. Helpful as all get out, but. When people start using slang & terms you don't know, it tends to be intimidating. I almost feel the need to make a cheat sheet of just exactly what things are. Near work there is a B&M Vape shop & most of the gang in there will help ( if asked ), but. After talking with a person that works there I felt like they were trying to sale me a product they carry. Rather than just explain the whole Mechanical Mod, Rebuildable Mod etc. etc.

Just like with my job, experience is key. I look forward to the "win some loose some" way of life the further I get into this. For me that's the best education I can get, but. I'll continue to show up at the shop & look like a noob. Because I am, I'll own it though & get as much info as I can. May make a new bud in the process!

 

[intoxicatingarts]

Thank you for everyone's responses. You all make really good points and I have to say, I feel very welcome here! On other forums in the past, if I even mentioned a crucial word, I would get attacked. This forum is more like a vape family . Yay! I think the over-complicating can often come from enthusiasm and passion for vaping. My original use for vaping was to stop smoking and is slowly turning into yet another hobby for me !

 

[Completely Average]

I'm not usually one to start a debatable topic...However I just wanted to shed some light on how I initially felt when visiting the New Members Forum. I got overwhelmed by the amount of supplies or mods many posters insist that you "need" to buy to be ultimately happy with vaping. I think for some people that might actually steer them away from this forum or vaping. I know everyone means well and I've already learned so much, but really some people are perfectly happy with a simple set up. I have a friend that is going through $40 worth of those blu e cigs a week because she's stressed and smoking like crazy. I told her to get one like mine and I think I actually turned her off of it by going into too much detail and giving her an information over load! She said " Yeah, maybe, but it sounds complicated. These are easy" . Of course i said "no, its so easy!" But it was too late and i had already made it sound technical and daunting . Anyways, I currently have a halo Triton with a variable battery and I'm perfectly happy Thanks for reading and again , you all are super helpful, but figured it wouldn't hurt to mention that being helpful can sometimes be overwhelming . Just like what I did with my friend ( oops!).

I've commented on this issue before. I feel the people here are too quick to jump on the "you've got to have a VV mod and this and that and 9 other devices, and DIY liquids and... " and it SCARES newbies.


Personally, every time I talk to someone who is considering getting in to ecigs I suggest the same thing. A Halo Triton starter kit.

Why? Because it's SIMPLE, it's reliable, it works well, and it comes with everything they need including a backup battery and backup tank. All they need after that is to find a liquid they like.

Is it VV?
No, but VV batteries are available if they want to get in to that later.

Is it compatible with every cart, tank, and other option out there?
No, but it comes with two excellent 2.4ml clearos that hold enough liquid to get most people through the work day without needing to refill it.

Is it the cheapest option?
No, but it's one of the best built. The batteries far exceed most similar eGo batteries, the clearos never leak, everything is designed as a system and not a collection of random parts.

Is it easy to use?
Among the easiest. Swap batteries when you need a fresh one and put the used one on the charger. Rinse the tank out when you change flavor. Once in a while change the wick or coil. Refilling is easy and since the coil extends above the top of the tank it's almost impossible to pour liquid into the coil.



That is what a newbie needs. Not a barrage of mods, rebuilding coils, DIY liquids, wick suggestions, Ohm's Law, or that other stuff. They need easy, reliable, most of all, SIMPLE.

IF, after meeting their basic needs they feel they want to expand into the more powerful and more complicated systems, feel free to offer all the advice you want, but if they are asking what the best starter system is, PLEASE keep it simple. Don't scare them away from vaping by making it seem really complicated and expensive when it does NOT need to be that way.

 

[tmrr]

Want to give some love to the local B&Ms. I went to one about 30 miles from me while using Blu and knowing NOTHING about anything else. I literally said...I want better battery life. They recommended a basic EVOD starter kit, showed me how to use it, and started me sampling some juice similar to flavors I like in Blu. Later I was about to run out of coils and stumbled on a shop 10 miles away. They helped me pick my upgrade, I still go there with stupid questions about it, and they make some of my go-to juice. ECF is great now, I know enough to understand the lingo and research what I need. Thinking about what I'd write to someone new - simple starter kit & link to a video so they can see how to use it "in person."

 

[intoxicatingarts]

three years ago i started with some stupid cig-looking thing with pre-loaded cartridges, moved on to an eGo-C, and now have been using the eRoll exclusively for the past year and a half or so.

i wanted to stop smoking - i was not looking for a new hobby modifying giant metal contraptions or building things. the eRoll works great, and i'll recommend it to anybody for function and ease of use. i have no clue about the various mods and parts, and can't imagine its worth all the time, money, and hassle over an eRoll.

Totally not related to your post....I love your avatar. Is that your car? I have a '09 Ralliart

 

[Scoty024]

I agree about potential problem of total data dumps. My buddy had just gotten an itaste mvp 2 and I was really interested. Did some Web searching and only got confused. Went to my local B&M to get more info and the only thing keeping me from walking out frustrated that no one could provide any distinguishable information was that I had already stubbornly decided I was buying one and would figure it out the hard way if it came down to it. I now know how my wife feels when I talk about phones.

Dispute all that, I am doing alright so far.

 

[cags]

I am grateful I started when I did. at that time, the joye 510, the 808 and the egos were the most recommended pvs for new people. even that confused me lol (and I am fairly intelligent) so I ended up getting a joye 510 and an ego as my first kits. I still use and love both. I did move from the cart to a clear cart thing, but other than that they still work great for me. I still think most people should start with something like them and then move up if they wish.

if I was starting now, I don't know how i would choose what to start with I wonder if I would have just given up......

last year I did finally get a mod, but am still using all my backup 510s and egos

 

[cags]

Want to give some love to the local B&Ms. I went to one about 30 miles from me while using Blu and knowing NOTHING about anything else. I literally said...I want better battery life. They recommended a basic EVOD starter kit, showed me how to use it, and started me sampling some juice similar to flavors I like in Blu. Later I was about to run out of coils and stumbled on a shop 10 miles away. They helped me pick my upgrade, I still go there with stupid questions about it, and they make some of my go-to juice. ECF is great now, I know enough to understand the lingo and research what I need. Thinking about what I'd write to someone new - simple starter kit & link to a video so they can see how to use it "in person."

the key there is to find a GOOD B&M. I've only been in a few but none of them impressed me.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Information overload is a tradition in America. Just go into any retail store here and walk down the toothpaste or underarm deodorant aisles.

I keep vaping as simple and as cheap as possible. I stopped watching youtube reviews after I saw what must've been $10,000 worth of vaping gear in the background of one guy's vid. Then he went on and on about massive clouds. Mobility and stealth is what it's all about for me. A holdover from my analog days I suppose.

But primarily It's about the nicotine. (And I refuse to chew it or "wear" it).

 

[Grimwald]

Times have certainly changed. When I started on 808s and then moved to the "advanced" egos, we were all discussing the best way to boil and clean cartomizers, how to use a needle to fill a ce3 and the best net juices. Then there was to big jump to ce4s.

Today, I no longer feel qualified to jump into some of these discussions. Most of them quickly evolve into VV mods and rebuilding coils and I'm suddenly in over my head. So many newbies are starting out with equipment I have only dreamed of. Somehow taking the discussion back to "just get an evod" seems so lame and old fashioned.

 

[Fisheeboy]

Great thread! This is why I love you guys and gals. We all know by now just how overwhelming vaping and even this forum can be, not only for us but definitely also for newbies. I am always trying to explain the greatness of vaping to people. I have had all the same reactions that have been mentioned in this thread. I still promote vaping every chance I get to. But one thing I've decided is that unless a person is really serious about and dedicated to quitting smoking or even chewing then you're kinda talking to a brick wall. For those that are serious about making the transition they will make the effort(as aggravating as it is) to do the research, read the threads, try the devices for the love of their vices.

 

[anumber1]

Times have certainly changed. When I started on 808s and then moved to the "advanced" egos, we were all discussing the best way to boil and clean cartomizers, how to use a needle to fill a ce3 and the best net juices. Then there was to big jump to ce4s.

Today, I no longer feel qualified to jump into some of these discussions. Most of them quickly evolve into VV mods and rebuilding coils and I'm suddenly in over my head. So many newbies are starting out with equipment I have only dreamed of. Somehow taking the discussion back to "just get an evod" seems so lame and old fashioned.

Lame and old fasioned but for the going rate of $40 for a really great, totally complete (with backups even!) Genuine Kanger starter kit, its really a good starting point!

Add juice and you are done.
From that point a person can learn at the pace of their choosing, expanding with more tanks and the like or just vaping away.



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