Overwhelming amount of info...Help

[happily]

First off, thank you all so much. I mean, WOW!! So helpful.
I've read through this and I'm leaning towards the Joyce 510. With that:

This unit is refillable, correct?

How long does a fill last roughly? Are we talking 1 analog; 5, 10?

Do these just include poor quality batteries? Usually rechargeables have a decent life span, but it seems that people run into issues with them dying.

Realistically, could I get one starter kit and buy an additional charger for my wife and myself? We arent heavy smokers, we've gradually been cutting back; but we've kind of peeked. We only have about 3 analogs during the work week. The problems are weekends, where we aren't distracted by work and we are usually drinking.

I don't refill myself, just add a couple drops every hour or two. Refill might be 10 cigs. Batteries last from 2-4 hours in general. Extra charger is probably not really the thing for you, but extra batts may be needed. I would recommend a passthru if you drink at home because you can plug into your computer if your batts are dead. If your leaving the house. You should have a pcc to charge batteries on the go. Like I said me and my wife got by on one kit for a week, but had to time our charging so as not to up a creek. The other reason for extra's is if you have an atomizer blow or battery die.

Once i got my first kit I loved it so much I was just frightened it would die before my extra's arrived and I would have to go back to analog's.

One last thing is I recommend your first order not come from overseas because you'll go crazy waiting for it.

good luck

 

[wv2win]

If you get the batteries that last 6-8 hours between charges and cost $2 each, you should save money in the long run and have less accessories to carry around.

 

[abandonhope16]

If you get the batteries that last 6-8 hours between charges and cost $2 each, you should save money in the long run and have less accessories to carry around.

Could someone elaborate on this? When you say "6-8 hours b/n chargers"; are you saying its a rechargeable. Or is it a disposable that lasts 6-8 hours?
Do these work only with specific models? Also, when you all give times (i.e. 6-8 hours); so you mean of actually use. Meaning it takes me ~5 minutes to smoke a cig. Meaning I would essentially get 96 smokes on an 8 hour battery (8 x 60minutes/5minutes)?

 

[Mac]

My advice is to find a local retailer. They are popping up all over the us. They are already in VA NV SC NC FL CA for sure and probably lots of other places. My experience has been that 2 piece systems are better then 3 piece ones but I haven't tried everything out there. But retailers tend to be alot more convenient especially when you get a defective model. It seems like all of these things are 20-30% defective. No one wants to wait a month for a replacement to come from china.

 

[JustJulie]

I'm going to weigh in with another two thumbs up for the 510. The cheapest place I've found to get the 510 is Widows Bead Work - Home. For $50 (free s/h), you get a starter kit.

The positives of the 510:

AWESOME vapor production, thick and dense--you feel it all the way into your lungs.

It's a nice size--bigger than, say, a 401, but not as large as a penstyle.

The manual battery has a button that allows you to control the battery--no more struggling with primer puffs and batteries that go off on their own on a windy day or in a noisy environment.

The manual battery is sealed so that if you flood the atomizer and liquid leaks from the bottom of the atomizer, it won't destroy your battery. Plus, since the battery is sealed, it makes it an ideal device if you like to drip.

The downsides of the 510:

Battery life isn't so great. While many folks report getting several hours on a battery, my experience has been more like 1 to 1 1/2 hours. But I'm a heavy vaper, and I ride the button to get long draws, so I am perhaps not typical. Also, you can get a USB passthrough battery so that battery life isn't as big a deal. And for going out and about, you can get a PCC (portable charging case) that will charge 2-4 batteries (one at a time) until the PCC itself needs to be recharged.

If you're new to vaping, it might be easy to overdo the manual button and possibly burn out the atomizer.

Some folks still report some minor leaking of the cartridges from time to time, making it potentially messy when it's at rest. (I wrap mine in an old handerchief so that if it does leak a bit, no harm.)

While most folks seem to take quite easily to the manual battery, there are some who struggle with it a bit. If you want to have an e-cig dangling from your mouth and be able to operate it hands-free, then the 510 probably isn't the best choice.

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And if you are interested in walking on the wild side and trying something that doesn't even vaguely resemble a cigarette or a pen, there are some pretty awesome devices out there which I believe wv2win mentioned in an earlier post. In addition to my 510, I also have a Screwdriver and JantyStick, both of which are great and beat the 510 in terms of battery life hands down . . . but they're also more expensive.

You know, I'm really glad I didn't get into this to save money.

 

[JustJulie]

Could someone elaborate on this? When you say "6-8 hours b/n chargers"; are you saying its a rechargeable. Or is it a disposable that lasts 6-8 hours?
Do these work only with specific models? Also, when you all give times (i.e. 6-8 hours); so you mean of actually use. Meaning it takes me ~5 minutes to smoke a cig. Meaning I would essentially get 96 smokes on an 8 hour battery (8 x 60minutes/5minutes)?

I believe wv2win was referring to the battery life for mods like the Screwdriver or the JantyStick. ("Mod" is a generic term kind of referring to just about anything that doesn't look like a cigarette or a pen, although I believe the origin of the term refers to those who "modified" e-cigs to improve on battery life and other issues.)

The JantyStick and Screwdriver use nonproprietary batteries--that is, batteries not specifically designed for e-cigs. The nonproprietary batteries are cheaper and hold a charge longer than traditional e-cig batteries.

 

[happily]

times as in 3-4 hours is real time................I take 5-10 puffs every 5mins to half hour depending on what I am doing and replace the battery about 3 times a day. Usage does also vary. The first couple days I made it all day. The 510 batteries do recharge in about an hour and a half. I think the manual batts are the best, just don't hold them over 10 seconds at a burst. (auto batts aren't bad by any means)

 

[abandonhope16]

Thanks again for all the help, everyone. Its so nice to deal with kind people, my questions may be dumb to many of the seasoned vets; but it is very refreshing to be able to come to a forum and not be "attacked" for newb-ness

So I think I've settled on 2 510 kits from e-Smokey treats; as that vendor seems to be well reviewed.

Next question relates to the liquid. So every once in a while I just put a couple drops in the cartridge?

Has anyone determined how ml of liquid translate to analog packs or cartons? I'm just trying to figure out roughly what quantity to order, based on the fact that we go through a carton every 2.5 weeks or so.

Is there anywhere that may say if I have any stores close to me that sell this stuff. Obviously, I prefer to deal locally. I'm in Northern Virginia.

 

[wv2win]

Thanks again for all the help, everyone. Its so nice to deal with kind people, my questions may be dumb to many of the seasoned vets; but it is very refreshing to be able to come to a forum and not be "attacked" for newb-ness

So I think I've settled on 2 510 kits from e-Smokey treats; as that vendor seems to be well reviewed.

Next question relates to the liquid. So every once in a while I just put a couple drops in the cartridge?

Has anyone determined how ml of liquid translate to analog packs or cartons? I'm just trying to figure out roughly what quantity to order, based on the fact that we go through a carton every 2.5 weeks or so.

Is there anywhere that may say if I have any stores close to me that sell this stuff. Obviously, I prefer to deal locally. I'm in Northern Virginia.

The only places that sell PV's locally at this point are mall kiosks as far as I know. And those all seem to be the Smoke Everywhere brand that has such a poor reputation. Oh, I just remembered that Pilot Truck Stops use to sell NJoy but again, not the best reputation for dependability.

Phil at e-smokey is great to deal with. Most users love their 510's but the cost to replace the battery is $17-$20 when they wear out or break and the batteries last 2-3 hours before needing to be recharged. The "mods" as Julie mentioned like the Screwdriver, Prodigy, LV, GG and Janty Stick have batteries that last 6-8 hours before needing recharged and the cost of the batteries is about $2.

On average, a 10ml bottle of juice will last a week to 12 days depending on how much you vape. US suppliers on average charge $9.95 for a 10ml bottle of juice.

 

[abandonhope16]

So it appears that the varieties you mentioned range from about $80 to $150; and only some are available stateside. Unless I'm missing something?

What type of complaints have been seen regarding the batteries as far as needing to replace them? A month life is one thing, but if they need yearly replacing; then it doesnt seem too bad.

 

[mamu]

So it appears that the varieties you mentioned range from about $80 to $150; and only some are available stateside. Unless I'm missing something?

What type of complaints have been seen regarding the batteries as far as needing to replace them? A month life is one thing, but if they need yearly replacing; then it doesnt seem too bad.

That's a hard question to answer. Seems to be hit or miss with batts and attys. May last you a week or may last you a year. I have batts and attys that are still going strong since the first day of purchase and I have some that are kapoot!

One thing to keep in mind is that e-cigs are still in their infancy as to the way they work and their current technology.

I go through 4-5 batts a day with my 510 and that is normal. When I'm using the 510 passthrough I don't have to worry about charging or changing batts because the batt is plugged into a USB port that has a constant charge to it.

The screwdriver and the janty stick have been especially designed to not only give more power to the atty but also to have a longer battery life. However, because of these factors they are either larger or do not resemble a ciggie looking thing.

Over these last few months I've come to consider my e-cig parts as disposable and have stocked up on parts.

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[RazorNribbonz]

Hey Abandon, welcome...I just sent you a PM (private message...In case you are not sure how to access that lol..It's up at the top of the board on the right side...Ivy

 

[wv2win]

So it appears that the varieties you mentioned range from about $80 to $150; and only some are available stateside. Unless I'm missing something?

What type of complaints have been seen regarding the batteries as far as needing to replace them? A month life is one thing, but if they need yearly replacing; then it doesnt seem too bad.

We are not talking a yearly replacement of batteries, it's more like every month to two months with the smaller batteries. Even when they don't just break, you typically only get about 300 charges out of a li-on battery of that size. $20 vs $2 will add up.

 

[abandonhope16]

And that usb passthrough thing is for charging/use while plugged in; i.e. the passthough does not have its own battery that would increase available power to e-cig when not plugged in.

 

[wv2win]

And that usb passthrough thing is for charging/use while plugged in; i.e. the passthough does not have its own battery that would increase available power to e-cig when not plugged in.

Except with the Janty Stick the USB pass is for use not for charging. If you get a usb pass, I would recommend getting usb wall outlet adapter so you can get good, consistent power instead of using your computer usb port.

 

[happily]

U know how this thread was titled ...............help too much info, well now you really have too much info. Everyone is talking about different products. If I were you pick a member that you trust a little and send them a pm so you only have one opinion from here on out.

good luck

 

[abandonhope16]

U know how this thread was titled ...............help too much info, well now you really have too much info. Everyone is talking about different products. If I were you pick a member that you trust a little and send them a pm so you only have one opinion from here on out.

good luck

This has actually been extremely helpful; its allowed me to consolidate the info and its quite specific. Thanks again everyone!!

 

[abandonhope16]

One more thing about the batteries that I dont get. Are these e-cigs always "on"? It just seems weird that the battery life would be in real time.
One would think that when not in use, there wouldn't be a drain or maybe minimal drain on the battery.
Not sure if this has been addressed, but I wonder if seperating the battery (seems these things come in 2-3 pieces) from the rest of the unit would eliminate the draw on the battery when not in use?

 

[happily]

they won't drain if your not puffing,,,,,,just saying you might have to charge every 3-4 hours if vaping a normal amount

 

[wegster]

Except with the Janty Stick the USB pass is for use not for charging. If you get a usb pass, I would recommend getting usb wall outlet adapter so you can get good, consistent power instead of using your computer usb port.

The 510 passthrough has a battery inline, and can indeed be unplugged and keep vaping with it. It's an e-cigar battery, I believe the same one used in the JantyStick or roughly equivalent in mAh, ~360mAh IIRC. (basically double the runtime of most regular e-cig batteries)