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I'm still confused too. All I know is that I loved my provari until I started dripping and had to go out and buy a chi yu and a rba. Now I cant stand the thought of going back to punching cartos.

All I care to know is...can I sub ohm on the new provari p3 with a rba since its variable wattage?

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That may be all you care to know, but what you SHOULD know is that subohming is irrelevant on regulated devices.
 

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That may be all you care to know, but what you SHOULD know is that subohming is irrelevant on regulated devices.

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I'm still confused too. All I know is that I loved my provari until I started dripping and had to go out and buy a chi yu and a rba. Now I cant stand the thought of going back to punching cartos.

All I care to know is...can I sub ohm on the new provari p3 with a rba since its variable wattage?

With a regulated mod it's not about sub-ohms. It's all about the watts. If you like to vape a mechanical mod at 0.5 ohms, that's around 20-30 watts depending on the voltage of your battery.

The P3 maxes out at 20 watts so you're at the low end of that 0.5 ohm power zone. To get the 20 watts you have to build your atty at the right resistance. You can't get more than 20 watts from the P3.
 

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That may be all you care to know, but what you SHOULD know is that subohming is irrelevant on regulated devices.

That is simply not true and only someone who didn't know how much different wire gauges can effect vapor production would think so. You will not get the same vape with 32 gauge wire as you will get with 24, even if they are running at the same wattage. Sub ohm becomes a given when working with thicker wire.
 

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Me and everyone else that'll be rocking a P3, apparently. ;)

I'm really happy that you found what works for you Anarchy. I was being sarcastic about you thinking that we should all vape the way you do.

Vape on Anarchy as you will. And so will I. That's the way it should be :thumb:

Back on topic: P3s rock as I said before
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Technically, yes, but not very deep. It will fire with a .7 ohm coil at the lowest, but hits the amp limit at 17.5 watts.

If you build 0.8 ohms instead of 0.7, it will hit 20 watts at 6 volts. Still not that deep compared to a mech mod with a 30A battery, but it is a true 20 watts :thumb:
 

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That is simply not true and only someone who didn't know how much different wire gauges can effect vapor production would think so. You will not get the same vape with 32 gauge wire as you will get with 24, even if they are running at the same wattage. Sub ohm becomes a given when working with thicker wire.

That depends entirely on your build. It's quite possible to build thinner wire with the same or greater coil mass and wire/wick contact area.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/562106-ecf-sub-ohm-advisory.html

TLDR - The higher the temp, the higher the levels of toxic material in the vapor. You're definitely welcome to form your own opinion, but I don't see how you can proclaim that I'm wrong based on what's known at this time.

Where you went wrong is assuming the temperature is higher, it's not necessarily and may even be lower.
 
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I'm still confused too. All I know is that I loved my provari until I started dripping and had to go out and buy a chi yu and a rba. Now I cant stand the thought of going back to punching cartos.

All I care to know is...can I sub ohm on the new provari p3 with a rba since its variable wattage?

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Technically you can sub-ohm on the current model Provari available right now.
 
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You can sub-ohm on the current model Provari available right now.

I have, but I didn't post about it since it's not relevant to the Op's question. But yes, .9Ω @ 3.3v isn't cloud-chasing territory, however, anything <1Ω is sub-ohm, so it counts. I couldn't go lower or higher with that build, since I was bumping up against the amp limit. I should point out that this isn't something I plan to do regularly, I was just curious.

ETA: And even more irrelevant, don't people sub-ohm with DNA20/30/whatever?
 
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Damn...I should have studied more. What are you all...a bunch of engineers? I'm more confused than ever. So what Im getting is...I can subohm on Provari P3 but no real point since it wont get close to the experience Im getting getting on mech and rba dripping? Am I getting it? And are you saying subohming gets hotter and releases more toxins?? Thx all

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I have, but I didn't post about it since it's not relevant to the Op's question. But yes, .9Ω @ 3.3v isn't cloud-chasing territory, however, anything <1Ω is sub-ohm, so it counts. I couldn't go lower or higher with that build, since I was bumping up against the amp limit. I should point out that this isn't something I plan to do regularly, I was just curious.

ETA: And even more irrelevant, don't people sub-ohm with DNA20/30/whatever?

I was just trying to fit in with my pedantic post.
 

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I was just trying to fit in with my pedantic post.

Puppy plays punctilious pedantically well.

I asked about the DNA, since it's regulated and appeared to be popularly used to sub-ohm. While perhaps irrelevant to this thread, the use of a DNA to sub-ohm suggests that a discussion of the matter (of which I'm sure there are several threads) is germane. A blanket statement to the contrary indicates a miscomprehension of what is or isn't probative in the context.
 
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Damn...I should have studied more. What are you all...a bunch of engineers? I'm more confused than ever. So what Im getting is...I can subohm on Provari P3 but no real point since it wont get close to the experience Im getting getting on mech and rba dripping? Am I getting it? And are you saying subohming gets hotter and releases more toxins?? Thx all

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Hmmm... yes and no to the P3 question. You will be able go vape <1Ω, but not as low as with a mechanical. But as to the experience: you don't have to build such low coils for the P3 to get the high wattage for big clouds - you can set the power higher. Your batteries will also last longer. It's up to you if you like it as well or not.

As far as sub-ohming releasing more toxins, that is a matter currently under debate. Like anything, do your research and decide what you are comfortable with.
 

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Puppy plays punctilious pedantically well.

I asked about the DNA, since it's regulated and appeared to be popularly used to sub-ohm. While perhaps irrelevant to this thread, the use of a DNA to sub-ohm suggests to me that a discussion of the matter (of which I'm sure there are several threads) is germane. A blanket statement to the contrary indicates a miscomprehension of what is or isn't probative in the context.

I think it's an important consideration Ocey and I thank you for bringing it up. The germanious nature regarding the use of the DNA devices to sub-ohm (vis a vis the discussion about using the P2.5 (or indeed the P3 - *gigglesnort*)) is indeed probative - but only if the miscomprehension is taken to its complete conclusion.

I am sorry, perhaps that came across as anecdotal in the context in which we were discussing it. But the point remains I am sure you would agree.
 

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I think it's an important consideration Ocey and I thank you for bringing it up. The germanious nature regarding the use of the DNA devices to sub-ohm (vis a vis the discussion about using the P2.5 (or indeed the P3 - *gigglesnort*)) is indeed probative - but only if the miscomprehension is taken to its complete conclusion.

I am sorry, perhaps that came across as anecdotal in the context in which we were discussing it. But the point remains I am sure you would agree.

I certainly concur! While anecdotal evidence is, by nature, subjective it can't be dismissed as extraneous ( at least epistemologically), since Solipsism is as valid a perspective as any other.

ETA: My goodness I am excelling at irrelevance tonight: Have you ever seen the film Straw Dogs? For some reason I just thought of it.
 
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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/562106-ecf-sub-ohm-advisory.html

TLDR - The higher the temp, the higher the levels of toxic material in the vapor. You're definitely welcome to form your own opinion, but I don't see how you can proclaim that I'm wrong based on what's known at this time.

Its not proven and that article is fulla could be's and might be's. The toxins found when VG is burnt instead of heated haven't been found in any rda set up
 
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I certainly concur! While anecdotal evidence is, by nature, subjective it can't be dismissed as extraneous ( at least epistemologically), since Solipsism is as valid a perspective as any other.

ETA: My goodness I am excelling at irrelevance tonight: Have you ever seen the film Straw Dogs? For some reason I just thought of it.

I am not too sure we agree as much as we first thought though. Let me quote something I think I said a while back in another thread.

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subohming is irrelevant on regulated devices.

And yet my forum avitar appeared to be very relevant.

I feel I must apologize for my duplicity.

Edit - Willa Holland with her squirrel cheeks was in that movie. I remember it vaguely. Is it worth me watching again?
 
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